Yupp. They better release it on the PS3 with Move support. It's just perfect for Move. If they don't make it move compatible, I think it'll be the first time where I really feel like the devs actively and intentionally gimped the PS3 version because of MS moneyhats.chogidogs said:
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The GiantBomb Quick Look Thread
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WrenchNinja
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Sweet. Its existence has been acknowledged.DaBuddaDa said:
SketchTheArtist
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EDIT: I'm an idiot who doesn't listen properly to stuff.
thunker 9000
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Example?SketchTheArtist said:
You have to understand that they cover a ton of game. Cut them some slack good sir.
SteveWinwood
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TemplaerDude
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zoner said:
Great contribution.
hrtdy098u7
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zoner's right about the innaccurate quick looks. Watching something like the Monster Hunter Tri QL after having played the game makes it clear GB is clueless about games which are more complicated than Halo/CoD style console FPS. They had difficulty finishing FF13 judging by how long it took him to get a review up, and that was one of the most casual/streamlined JRPGs I can think of. (Please don't bring up stuff like Assassin's Creed; those games are as easy as they come, and the same could be said of the other games GB hypes.)
Reading through this thread it seems clear to me that people like GB for the 'humor' of the main staff, not for the quality of information they provide. Now I'm not going to dredge through hundreds of pages for quotes but I can remember people saying stuff like they hope that fat guy starts losing weight because his personality is so endearing they want him to stay healthy. I think people were even talking about stuff like videos of the BG staff's switching offices and other stuff not even vaguely related to video game coverage. Then there's the things with people paying for a subscription to watch the guys get drunk and maybe talk about games or watching who knows how many hours of endurance run or mailbag fluff. That's another thing, it blows my mind why anyone would want to mail these guys sodas and other junk, what's the point besides getting mentioned in the already pointless mailbag segment?
Personally I find that sort of one-way internet friendship creepy, but a weirdly insular and obsessive fanbase seems to be the main thing GB has going for them (didn't they go crazy because some woman ruined a podcast? that's not exactly behaviour I'd call normal). Certainly it's the only way their subscription model could bring in money.
You may be wondering why I singed up to post in this topic if I don't find GB quicklook's all that useful. Well it's because the idea of the QL is great and something I'd like to see implemented elsewhere or improved upon, which is why I've keeping track of this topic. Also it's really eye opening seeing how bad GB's accuracy is, since these guy's used to work at a pretty mainstream review site it's made me rethink how trustworthy game reviews are.
Elsewhere in this thread when GB was criticised or questioned at all their fans got furious. My question is what's the point of having a discussion topic that consists of nothing but parroting praise for content updates that can be easily found at GB's own website? Accusing me of trolling just because this is my first post and am not echoing everone else would reflect poorly on this forum I think.
Reading through this thread it seems clear to me that people like GB for the 'humor' of the main staff, not for the quality of information they provide. Now I'm not going to dredge through hundreds of pages for quotes but I can remember people saying stuff like they hope that fat guy starts losing weight because his personality is so endearing they want him to stay healthy. I think people were even talking about stuff like videos of the BG staff's switching offices and other stuff not even vaguely related to video game coverage. Then there's the things with people paying for a subscription to watch the guys get drunk and maybe talk about games or watching who knows how many hours of endurance run or mailbag fluff. That's another thing, it blows my mind why anyone would want to mail these guys sodas and other junk, what's the point besides getting mentioned in the already pointless mailbag segment?
Personally I find that sort of one-way internet friendship creepy, but a weirdly insular and obsessive fanbase seems to be the main thing GB has going for them (didn't they go crazy because some woman ruined a podcast? that's not exactly behaviour I'd call normal). Certainly it's the only way their subscription model could bring in money.
You may be wondering why I singed up to post in this topic if I don't find GB quicklook's all that useful. Well it's because the idea of the QL is great and something I'd like to see implemented elsewhere or improved upon, which is why I've keeping track of this topic. Also it's really eye opening seeing how bad GB's accuracy is, since these guy's used to work at a pretty mainstream review site it's made me rethink how trustworthy game reviews are.
Elsewhere in this thread when GB was criticised or questioned at all their fans got furious. My question is what's the point of having a discussion topic that consists of nothing but parroting praise for content updates that can be easily found at GB's own website? Accusing me of trolling just because this is my first post and am not echoing everone else would reflect poorly on this forum I think.
hrtdy098u7 said:
And I stopped reading there. Sorry, but of course you know the game better after you finished it. The guys would maybe too, but again - I like Giantbomb for the fact that they (most of the time) play the games they like and are not forced to review games they would never play.
TemplaerDude
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hrtdy098u7 said:
Suggestion: You're thinking far too hard about this and if it bothers you to the point that you're writing this much bullshit, I strongly suggest you don't visit the site. Problem solved.
Brad played half the game on the 360 before starting over and finishing it on the PS3. That's why it took a while. I also think you totally miss what a quick look is and what purpose it serves. They always make it clear just how much they've played a game right at the start. Their opinion of the game doesn't matter as much as seeing the game in motion outside of a PR controlled trailer.hrtdy098u7 said:
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What? Brad ended up stopping his 360 playthrough and starting over on PS3. He also took the time to read all the text entries and whatnot in-game to better understand the universe, story, etc. That's why it took long.hrtdy098u7 said:
Dr_Boris_Goltz
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hrtdy098u7 said:
Did you accidentally put your password in the user name field?
Are they that less informed than the average reviewer?
I mean they are no David Ellis or Shane Bettenhausen but they don't seem to me like they are the bottom of the barrel by any stretch of the imagination.
People that get offended by that stuff should not watch Quick Looks for games they've already played. They are not for you.
I mean they are no David Ellis or Shane Bettenhausen but they don't seem to me like they are the bottom of the barrel by any stretch of the imagination.
People that get offended by that stuff should not watch Quick Looks for games they've already played. They are not for you.
This here nails it.Aaron said:
The whole idea behind (most of) the quicklooks is to let the crew and audience get a look at the first hours of the game. This means that the crew gets to know the basics of the game before any of them have played. This is pretty logical, because at every beginning of a game you don't know all the mechanics, you only know little tibits. If you want a more indept way of GB to look at games, you should look at their endurence runs. These guys play tons of games, have produce stuff for the site, visit gaming conventions etc. so you can't fault them for not mastering a game.hrtdy098u7 said:
Humor is a big thing of GB, thats whats seperates them from every other gaming related site. A lof of sites just rework the PR in their work. This comes off like the whole site is just a big PR machine for Publishers. You could argue that GB is such a site and there is some truth to that. But every crewmember can get pretty critical at points, some of these points you never hear at other websites. On other gaming sites it comes off as they don't want to be too critical just not to piss industry people off.
Probably because they have the most impressionable fans ever. Their words carry serious weight.Fjordson said:
For the record, I have no problem with the quality of the quick looks. I just think it seems like they're hardly ever doing editorial work compared to other sites.
Hot Coldman
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They're entertainers. Giant Bomb is supplementary entertainment to the playing of video games.
That's fair, but I feel like that's more on certain fans to be better informed rather than the GB staff. Seems weird to definitively judge a game based on a couple of dudes playing some random 20-30 minute segment of it.zoner said:
I do get what you're saying, though. Before GAF, GB's forum was my most frequented and some of the members there idolize the four main staff members in a major way.
Maybe that is just what it seems to you, but to me these guys are working their asses off harder than a lot of the videogame sites out there. I am just so sick of reading re-written press releases on other sites and god awful top ten lists of the week.zoner said:
The GB guys cover what they want and for that I appreciate the site more. And the best part of the quick looks is that they sometimes go in blind just like a ton of viewers do, hell sometimes it helps me pick up a game that I would never have had interest in in the first place.
All sites have their rabid fanbase, but only morons follow other's opinions as gospel over their own.
Ehh I suspect it's something that people who are relatively new to the site might take issue with. Having been with them since the very first arrow pointing down podcast I've made my peace with what exactly Giant Bomb aims to be. Jeff and the crew have decided to build their site around their personalities. Basically they themselves have become the product that they're selling. I don't go to them to get informed on the latest video game news, I don't read or care about any of their written content (which is sparse as hell to begin with) because their opinions on video games don't gel with mine and I certainly don't listen to their podcast to get informed about video games because more often than not, they're not all that informed to begin with.Fjordson said:
However I religiously visit the site, watch their video content and listen to their podcasts because what they provide is pure entertainment. The crew is made up out of great personalities that really fit well together and provide a ton of laughs. While they may not have the deepest interviews that get into the nitty gritty of making games, their presence allows game developers to let down their guard. A good example of this is the St. Patrick's day TNT where a bunch of Double Fine employees join the Bomb crew for a couple of beers and answer user questions from the chat (an unplanned event by the way). Meanwhile you can see that the Double Fine crew is completely at ease and shooting the shit with the Whiskey Media staff. Also while their quick looks aren't always representative of the game at large they do provide a meaningful look into the games.
Why complain that they don't know the finite intricacies of every game? They're called quick looks for a reason. If they spent the time to learn everything about a game before a quick look they might as well be reviewing it...and if they did that, you wouldn't see nearly as many of them.
These guys have a rabid fan base can never be satiated, haha...double-edged sword for Giant Bomb. Good problem to have I guess?
These guys have a rabid fan base can never be satiated, haha...double-edged sword for Giant Bomb. Good problem to have I guess?
hrtdy098u7
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Looking back at my previous message in this topic it seems to have struck a nerve with some of you people here. The several very quick and very angry replies arent exactly disproving my theory on GBs fans being freaky.
Ive already explained that I have a legitimate interest in the QL concept and inaccuracy in something thats supposedly informational is a legitimate critique. If you say that the QL isnt supposed to be informative youre only proving my point that the fans watch GB for the humor from its staff, which means GB is a joke.
Please explain to me the point of defending the misinformation in QL content anyway, Im curious in knowing because it defies any logic I can imagine. Wouldnt these videos be better if they were accurate? I cant think of a reason why they wouldnt be. Dont tell me that this goes against the QLs purpose of providing a first impression because simply reading the instructions or doing the tutorial which just so happen to usually be presented at the beginning of these games would prevent most of GBs errors. A good example is the Clash of the Titans QL. I cant possibly be biased in favor of that game because Ive never played it and I agree it looks bad, but that doesnt change how many screw ups in that video could have been avoided by reading the text on the screen.
Listening to some guys complain because they cant figure out something they were just told how to do, or could have found the answer for in a few minutes of tutorial gameplay doesnt fit my definitions of funny or useful. The GB QL is actually what got me to try the Monster Hunter demo, so I have found these things helpful in the past if only for motivating me to learn more about a game. I just think theyd be a lot more helpful if I didnt need to sort through whats a legitimate game flaw and whats GBs BS. Too bad there seems to be little motivation for GB to improve since the fans come out to defend everything about the site, including undeniable inaccuracies. Its like they have some emotional attachment to a video game website, which just seems crazy to me.
Ive already explained that I have a legitimate interest in the QL concept and inaccuracy in something thats supposedly informational is a legitimate critique. If you say that the QL isnt supposed to be informative youre only proving my point that the fans watch GB for the humor from its staff, which means GB is a joke.
Please explain to me the point of defending the misinformation in QL content anyway, Im curious in knowing because it defies any logic I can imagine. Wouldnt these videos be better if they were accurate? I cant think of a reason why they wouldnt be. Dont tell me that this goes against the QLs purpose of providing a first impression because simply reading the instructions or doing the tutorial which just so happen to usually be presented at the beginning of these games would prevent most of GBs errors. A good example is the Clash of the Titans QL. I cant possibly be biased in favor of that game because Ive never played it and I agree it looks bad, but that doesnt change how many screw ups in that video could have been avoided by reading the text on the screen.
Listening to some guys complain because they cant figure out something they were just told how to do, or could have found the answer for in a few minutes of tutorial gameplay doesnt fit my definitions of funny or useful. The GB QL is actually what got me to try the Monster Hunter demo, so I have found these things helpful in the past if only for motivating me to learn more about a game. I just think theyd be a lot more helpful if I didnt need to sort through whats a legitimate game flaw and whats GBs BS. Too bad there seems to be little motivation for GB to improve since the fans come out to defend everything about the site, including undeniable inaccuracies. Its like they have some emotional attachment to a video game website, which just seems crazy to me.
BladeoftheImmortal
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2Crisis said:
I don't get this one.
You do realize that they have to keep talking while playing, keeping the viewer engaged, and that is definitely not an easy thing to do. Which in general does not make it easy to be following what the game is telling you to do 100% of the time.hrtdy098u7 said:
Foliorum Viridum
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To be honest, guys, hrtdy098u7 is completely right.
Two nights ago I had a dream that I was at the PAX panel, front row and the dream concluded with me deciding to go up to the guys afterwards and shake all of their hands.
Obsesssedddd.
Two nights ago I had a dream that I was at the PAX panel, front row and the dream concluded with me deciding to go up to the guys afterwards and shake all of their hands.
Obsesssedddd.
I was actually one of the poster's he was talking about when he mentioned people wanting Ryan and Jeff to lose weight so they'd stay healthy. >_>
I don't have a problem with them not knowing how to play a game, I almost always just throw a game into the console before reading anything and just ride by the seat of my pants so I can't really blame them for that.
My problem is with them either being willfully ignorant towards a game, talking about games they haven't (or partially) played like they have played them, ignoring large parts of the gaming industry due to their personal taste (PSP, Wii etc), and just generally being very close minded.
The other problem is the community, and I don't necessarily mean the people who post here on GAF, but just look at the comment section for any video they put out, the first few pages are just people spam-posting the current "hot" Giant Bomb meme, or some other "inside joke" bullshit. When people actually start posting stuff with substance its usually just blind praise, I very rarely see criticism, constructive or otherwise. (Keep in mind, this is my skewed view and I am only a casual GB follower)
Those are my just my 2 cents, and now I will prepare myself for the attack that is surely coming.
My problem is with them either being willfully ignorant towards a game, talking about games they haven't (or partially) played like they have played them, ignoring large parts of the gaming industry due to their personal taste (PSP, Wii etc), and just generally being very close minded.
The other problem is the community, and I don't necessarily mean the people who post here on GAF, but just look at the comment section for any video they put out, the first few pages are just people spam-posting the current "hot" Giant Bomb meme, or some other "inside joke" bullshit. When people actually start posting stuff with substance its usually just blind praise, I very rarely see criticism, constructive or otherwise. (Keep in mind, this is my skewed view and I am only a casual GB follower)
Those are my just my 2 cents, and now I will prepare myself for the attack that is surely coming.
You know that a quick look is based around the idea that the viewer gets to see the first minutes/hour of a game that the crew just started playing, right? Your saying that they should know every little nagging detail before they even start playing the game? Thats rediculous with such a little site. If you want super accurate information, then visit bigger gaming sites then pretty much copy paste the PR they are given. Quick looks is one of the best features of Giant Bomb, because (me personally) it doesn't try to sell the game to me, but to look on how the game is build. Sprinkled with awesome humour also doesn't make it look like some infomercial.hrtdy098u7 said:
Foliorum Viridum
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This describes the Bombcast threads here on GAF perfectly.Conceited said:
I fucking hate it. You have to go through posts of <> and EMAILSSS just to find the good discussion. It's funny when the guys do it, not when people here spam the start of every Bombcast thread with it.
cuevas. PhD.
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People like zoner and hrtdy, the site isn't for you. You guys might want to check out IGN or gamespot.
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Watching a tutorial is not exciting. And asking them to play through a part for every single game they're going to quick look increases the time commitment.zoner said:
They provide a service on their own terms. If you don't think this service is valuable to you, don't watch it.
And this doesn't mean they are above criticism, but then point it at them and tell them that you rather not have them do a quick look of <Insert Game Here> instead of the ridiculous half-assed job they normally do. They're just going to tell you that it would increase the time commitment which means they wouldn't do it at all.
cuevas. PhD.
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Because they never said they are fair and balanced, get over it.zoner said:
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