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StuBurns said:
Where did they bill themselves as a CoD killer?

And I tend to believe people should review what's there, not what they thought should be there.
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codhand said:
To me what's hypocritical is billing yourself as a CoD killer, but then having a shit campaign.
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MW2's campaign was fucking garbage. It was like a Michael bay game. The last truly great single player CoD was 4.
 
StuBurns said:
Jeff complaining about BF3 getting great scores despite reviewers shitting on the campaign is irritating given how he openly wrote off the multiplayer in GTA4/MGS4 and still spoke very highly of them.
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This is a weird position to have, but I prefer hypocrisy to consistency. I'd rather have you on my side once in a while than always or never.
 
Fetts_Jets said:
Well obviously, nobody mentioned DICE making it. But you asked and there it is, in the official branding.
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The post said "billing yourself as a CoD killer", DICE made it.

And that ad doesn't say it's a CoD killer, it just alludes to being better than CoD, and it certainly might be in many people's opinions, I thought BlkOps was trash, I'd be surprised if this is worse.

The only real way to gauge it is metacritic, which does put BF3 above BlkOps. It's certainly not a sales projection, Riccitiello openly said it wouldn't outsell CoD at E3, EA aren't claiming it will.
 
derFeef said:
People did that, not DICE. Sadly EA tried as well.
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It's Dice themselves too, when the first trailer released all the Dice folk on twitter said "You don't beat COD by copying COD" and retweeted the hell out of it. But most of the blame must be given to EA, their ongoing battle with that other company is blinding them.
 
Just look at the gameplay, that's where I'm getting it from, I wasn't even referring to EA/Dice/PR, look at the gameplay/story/dialog/setting, it is "hella" similar "dawg"
 
StuBurns said:
The post said "billing yourself as a CoD killer", DICE made it.

And that ad doesn't say it's a CoD killer, it just alludes to being better than CoD, and it certainly might be in many people's opinions, I thought BlkOps was trash, I'd be surprised if this is worse.

The only real way to gauge it is metacritic, which does put BF3 above BlkOps. It's certainly not a sales projection, Riccitiello openly said it wouldn't outsell CoD at E3, EA aren't claiming it will.
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Producers almost never speak about their products (even if we wrongfully identified those who claim possession of them as the producers). PR having become a separate entity doesn't prohibit establishing their communication as a quality of the product itself.
 
TheOddOne said:
It's Dice themselves too, when the first trailer released all the Dice folk on twitter said "You don't beat COD by copying COD" and retweeted the hell out of it. But most of the blame must be given to EA, their ongoing battle with that other company is blinding them.
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Ah yes I remember that, sadly that only applies to the multiplayer it seems.
 
What's wrong with being competitive? And we have to fail to learn from our mistakes, no?
I don't see why anyone would be bothered with BF3 being labeled directly or indirectly as a COD killer.

If it doesn't succeed in doing that, they'll at least learn from it and make the next product all that much better.
 
Mechanized said:
What's wrong with being competitive? And we have to fail to learn from our mistakes, no?
I don't see why anyone would be bothered with BF3 being labeled directly or indirectly as a COD killer.
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To me BF was cool because it wasn't CoD.
 
Darklord said:
MW2's campaign was fucking garbage. It was like a Michael bay game. The last truly great single player CoD was 4.
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Hmm a michael bay campaign or a michael bay campaign with broken scripting and awful ai? I'll take the first one every time.
 
Goldmund said:
Producers almost never speak about their products (even if we wrongfully identified those who claim possession of them as the producers). PR having become a separate entity doesn't cancel out establishing their communication as a quality of the product itself.
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I don't see how it's fair to take the game to task over claims other parties made. Take Crysis 2, Cevat Yerli himself said it was going to be the best looking game on both consoles. Some people might certainly agree with that claim, I personally do not, and I think it's fair to see how that claim stacks up because the person who made the claim, was also responsible for the product.

If DICE were to say BF3's campaign is better than CoD4's campaign, I would say release the hounds, have at the comparison in full force, but some vauge allusion to the Call of Duty franchise by some third party isn't really enough I think.

This is pretty off topic though, I don't really care about BF3 or MW3, so I'm in a poor position to discuss it. I know something though, 30fps on consoles is going to make BF3 fundmentally inferior to the masses, if they know why or not.
 
codhand said:
To me BF was cool because it wasn't CoD.
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I'd guess what irks most people about all this is publishers' ignorance of the roots of overwhelming success. It's branding and habit. The degree to which you can abstract from content is dramatically increased with every step. Call of Duty 4 was an incredible game, I'm not saying that quality doesn't matter, -- I'm arguing that it matters less and less from there on. If EA wanted to beat or even catch up with Activision, they shouldn't put aping looks, gameplay and structure into consideration. They should go back in time.

I don't see how it's fair to take the game to task over claims other parties made. Take Crysis 2, Cevat Yerli himself said it was going to be the best looking game on both consoles. Some people might certainly agree with that claim, I personally do not, and I think it's fair to see how that claim stacks up because the person who made the claim, was also responsible for the product.

If DICE were to say BF3's campaign is better than CoD4's campaign, I would say release the hounds, have at the comparison in full force, but some vauge allusion to the Call of Duty franchise by some third party isn't really enough I think.

This is pretty off topic though, I don't really care about BF3 or MW3, so I'm in a poor position to discuss it. I know something though, 30fps on consoles is going to make BF3 fundmentally inferior to the masses, if they know why or not.
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If communication is deliberately limited to a single channel, I think it's very fair to forget about the parties involved, sitting close to the caller, shaking their heads.
 
StuBurns said:
The post said "billing yourself as a CoD killer", DICE made it.

And that ad doesn't say it's a CoD killer, it just alludes to being better than CoD, and it certainly might be in many people's opinions, I thought BlkOps was trash, I'd be surprised if this is worse.

The only real way to gauge it is metacritic, which does put BF3 above BlkOps. It's certainly not a sales projection, Riccitiello openly said it wouldn't outsell CoD at E3, EA aren't claiming it will.
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This isn't even a big deal, but at this point you're just arguing semantics. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter whose mouth it came out of. It's right there in the official branding.
StuBurns said:
I don't see how it's fair to take the game to task over claims other parties made.
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No, it's not fair. Especially when the "other parties" are the ones putting out the game.
 
This is my first time seeing any of BF3's campaign, except for the E3 tank demo. That looked like it'd take a much more realistic tone, less OTT and such.

The QL... just makes the campaign look unnecessary.
 
Fetts_Jets said:
This isn't even a big deal, but at this point you're just arguing semantics. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter whose mouth it came out of. It's right there in the official branding.
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Maybe it doesn't matter to you, but it does to me.
 
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Battlefield didn't need to be more like Call of Duty to succeed, it just had to double down on what it was already good at.

Exactly!
 
Darklord said:
MW2's campaign was fucking garbage. It was like a Michael bay game. The last truly great single player CoD was 4.
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Internet peoples say this, but that means nothing when sites & magazines positively reviewing the game, people paying money to play the game & developers of other series coping the game completely outnumber them.

MW 3 had a good solid campaign that was better than every Battlefield game ever released (including BF3 apparently).


Darklord said:
It'll sell 12 million+. Sadly, still a long way off 25 million Blops sold.
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What did BC2 sell?
This might sell worse then it with MW3 so close & the hype train coming to a crash after the bad BETA & mixed reviews/vides the game is getting.
 
LuchaShaq said:
Hmm a michael bay campaign or a michael bay campaign with broken scripting and awful ai? I'll take the first one every time.
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So neither game.

Every COD game post-4 has had a mind-blowingly awful SP campaign, and I'll be shocked if MW3 is any different (given the videos, it'll still be terrible). I'm confused by reviewers giving EA's shit campaigns special attention over this.
 
LuchaShaq said:
Hmm a michael bay campaign or a michael bay campaign with broken scripting and awful ai? I'll take the first one every time.
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Well if you are only going to play both games quick campaign I guess that's a fair argument. Lets not shit this thread up though.
 
See You Next Wednesday said:
What did BC2 sell?
This might sell worse then it with MW3 so close & the hype train coming to a crash after the bad BETA & mixed reviews/vides the game is getting.
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BC2 sold 9 million.
 
As someone who played the hell out of BC and BC2, Battlefield 3 seems hella depressing. Instead of focusing on the things DICE did well, tactical playgrounds of destructibility, they're going for the 'me too!' approach of linear spawn closets and only one right way to approach a situation. Which is walk straight and shoot. I can see how they would think "to beat the man, you gotta be the man", but I think they were really starting to carve out their own unique brand of FPS. MW has beaten Battlefield, if only because Battlefield finally became MW. Of course this is just in regards to the campaign.
 
Crewnh said:
Most people never even touch the single player in CoD.
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My special analysis of my dudebro friend's acheivments who only buy COD + 1/2 other games every year say differntly. Considering how many people don't even have their consoles online you need to provide proof to claim something that ridiculous.
 
StuBurns said:
Him holding a preference is fine, him beliving he can ignore aspects of a game in a review score but others can't is hypocritical.
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How is that hypocrisy? He said GTA4, MGS4, having shit multiplayer didn't matter because the SP was so good. Now he is saying that people shouldn't be ignoring a shit single player because the MP is so good.

He obviously believes SP is still an important part of games. That's called consistency, not hypocrisy.
 
Crewnh said:
As much evidence as he does.
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I'm pretty sure Activision has come out and said the majority of people who play COD games do play the campaign. Not necessarily complete it, but play it.
 
I just listened to the whole SP campaign section but I didn't really think Jeff went too negative. If anything I'd just say he's just not enthusiastic about the game. His biggest gripes with the SP section seemed to be with some technical issues.

As for me, I've lost interest in all of these heavily scripted, poor ai, modern military corridor shooter campaigns. It's unfortunate that BF didn't take a different approach. I'd have appreciated a more Crysis/Halo style campaign.

Whatever, multiplayer is ultimately where most of my time will be spent anyway.
 
christ, I never understand how people who play games for a living can be so fucking awful at them
I am by no means an expert in BF but that was kinda painful to watch
and it is not just BF, their CoD MP quick looks also show some awful gameplay
not trying to disrespect GB here, it's the same with most reviewers, now I don't expect them to be MLG level pro players, just have at least some average understanding of it...
 
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