Human sexuality isn't that simple. There are so many variables that go into sexual stimulation, limiting it to just "humans want to procreate" is ignorant.
If humans wanted to only procreate we wouldn't have invented the condom
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The Great Porn Experiment (TEDxGlasgow)
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Human sexuality isn't that simple. There are so many variables that go into sexual stimulation, limiting it to just "humans want to procreate" is ignorant.
If humans wanted to only procreate we wouldn't have invented the condom
HarryHengst
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How about you come back with proof that its unhealthy to not have an orgasm for a few weeks. Because you made that statement but failed to turn any facts to proof it.
Spermatocele
The condom was invented because children have become a burden rather than another pair of hands in the field. This has nothing to do with sexuality.
/yawn
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Have any of you guys that have ED or problems considered getting your hormones checked? I'm just not sure of the science behind all this.
Also, your at a higher risk of prostate cancer, ejaculation is a natural anti depressant/sleep aid and in just in general a great stress reducer
http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
Chuckie
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His point still stands. If people only had sex for procreation, they would just stop after 2 children instead of 8 because of the reason you mentioned. Still no need for a condom.
The condom is invented because you want to have more sex than you want to have children. Doesn't matter how much that is. Could be 0 children or 10.
Why do prostitutes exist, why does homosexuality exist, why do any sexual act that do not create children exist?
Your argument is highly flawed.
Also, ED could be linked to psychological issues, hormonal issues, spinal injuries, testicular issues, and many other health reasons. Go to a doctor instead of doing some program from some guy on the Internet which may or may not know what he's doing
Honestly, the whole "masturbation is natural" thing has been brought up so many times and already addressed.
The short answer: Yes, it is natural, but having access 24/7 to incredibly erotic situations a mouse click away is not. The idea is to take a rest from all that and then resume one's sex life in a a healthier manner. Healthier meaning not jerking it before going to bed every night to videos of hardcore porn, as many men do.
Anyways...I don't even know what day I'm on anymore...14, 15, 16 or something? It's so easy now. Don't have the slightest desire to look up porn. I think it is like a snowball effect. As you pile on the days, the price of failure becomes worse and worse, hence it gets easier.
Then again I'm doing it the easy way and still allowing sex with girls. I'm seriously considering starting over at day 1 and doing it for realz. Don't want to go 90 days and feel like I only did it the easy way.
The short answer: Yes, it is natural, but having access 24/7 to incredibly erotic situations a mouse click away is not. The idea is to take a rest from all that and then resume one's sex life in a a healthier manner. Healthier meaning not jerking it before going to bed every night to videos of hardcore porn, as many men do.
Anyways...I don't even know what day I'm on anymore...14, 15, 16 or something? It's so easy now. Don't have the slightest desire to look up porn. I think it is like a snowball effect. As you pile on the days, the price of failure becomes worse and worse, hence it gets easier.
Then again I'm doing it the easy way and still allowing sex with girls. I'm seriously considering starting over at day 1 and doing it for realz. Don't want to go 90 days and feel like I only did it the easy way.
You make such wonderful arguments
9/11 was a conspiracy theory, I'm not going to back up my argument with any scientific information other then a single site that is horribly designed and gives a ton of pseudoscience.
Oh you won't read my awful website, well you have to read all of the information on that website before you can prove me wrong, until then you're just a troll!
9/11 was a conspiracy theory, I'm not going to back up my argument with any scientific information other then a single site that is horribly designed and gives a ton of pseudoscience.
Oh you won't read my awful website, well you have to read all of the information on that website before you can prove me wrong, until then you're just a troll!
Or some people are capable of independent thought and don't need a scientific study before trying something .
Say I have a friend, and every time this friend gets a cold, he drinks some apple cider vinegar and he is cured within a day. He tells me I should try it.
Do I give a damn if there are no scientific studies backing this up? I am capable of trying it myself and validating it. People like you are sheep that need to be told what to think by the "authorities."
Obviously, if something is potentially extremely dangerous, one may wish to wait for some kind of official studies, but barring that, we are capable of experimenting ourselves.
ConsumerSquare
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Heh, what are you doing? I read the first page and the last page of this thread, so let me give you the scoop:
- Lots of easy porn can throw your libido out of whack.
- Some dudes decided to hit the reset button by going cold turkey for a few weeks.
- When that's done, they are hoping their sexuality is a little more grounded and satisfying than it has been since starting a decades long porn binge.
Lol, nobody's going to get prostate cancer from that.
IM SUCH A SHEEPLE, GETTIN TOLD WHAT TO DO BY PEOPLE
no, I honestly believe that there are more effective ways of performing such tasks. If somebody drank cider and vinegar and it cured him of the common cold, I would think of it that maybe his immune system is great, or maybe it's a placebo effect.
Also, honestly this could theoretically be very dangerous. Relapse is one of the most depressing things on the face of the earth. It's why when drug addicts or alcoholics do it, it usually leads back to even worse behavior. Now obviously you won't OD on masturbation, but it could be incredibly counter productive
and you're not even doing it properly, you still have an active sex life, which right now what you are doing is perfectly fine, in fact you are actually doin it right, with limiting yourself and not masturbating to hardcore shit and having sex fairly regularly
1. Yes, excess of anything is bad, im not saying that you should look at porn 24/7, but watching softcore porn every night does no harm, and is what these people should be doing
2. Going cold turkey leads to relapse, relapse leads to depression, depression leads to the problem getting worse. It's the reason why you ease people off of drugs, or alchohol, or tobacco.
3. Yes, if you're able to go 90 days without orgasming, your sex better be fucking better then it was previously. you'll be cumming like a fountain for a few days afterwards, also limiting your sexual releases will make you notice sex and feel it more because you're limiting yourself from doing a basic human function. stop eating for a few days, see what happens, yeah the food will taste fucking awesome afterwards.
I applaud these people for trying to get better, I honestly do, but you're going through a fad diet essentially. nstead of doing a fad diet, you should instead do it the logical way. try buying a playboy, put on a skinemax soft core movie, fap to that instead of fapping to hardcore porn.
Those are both possibilities. There is also a third possibility--it actually is effective. Funny how that possibility doesn't seem to even exist in your mind.
Here is the problem with this idea-- It does not last. A typical porn user may start with softcore stuff, but the law of diminishing returns kicks in and they seek out harder and harder stuff. Furthermore, it wastes one's vitality and makes one content clicking buttons on their computer instead of actually going out and getting some real tail.
Bay Maximus
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It is becoming a little sad at this point honestly.
Prostitutes exist because some people are too lazy.
From the point of "biotruths" (lol) homosexuality is a sexual disorder albeit a harmless one. It's still frowned upon in many traditional societies because of this reason and because people are stupid xenophobic fucks. The better society is set up, the less primitive (or let's call it basic) people are, the more they are acceptive of homosexuality because the social role of procreation isn't that high.
If we are still going from the point of "biotruths" you have sex because you want to procreate. Of course people don't want a lot of children because they have mind and psyche and this stuff fucks up their natural desire to procreate due to society expectations, some of their other desires and so on. Humans have become more complex, but that doesn't mean that some of their functions have become more complex, they just have more mind baggage attached to them.
Anyway the point of this programm is to get better. I never had a porn addiction, I tried it just for fun and it was a great desicion because I received a great insight in my mind, learned how it works and cut some strings which were attached to it. I may be write this stuff down once the experiment is over for the sake of its purity.
If this programm doesn't help everyone is free to stop any time, I don't see a problem here.
Sorry for grammar errors, writing from iPad.
Master Milk
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Does the thought of the people in this thread masturbating turn you on or something? Why are you so adamant about getting everyone to masturbate?
Bam Bam Baklava
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For some people they got no chance out there anyways. Like if I did this I wouldn't be getting any anyway so I'd just be doing nothing but becoming asexual, which is actually kind of interesting thing to try.
Perhaps in some very rare cases...but many(if not most) people who think they have no chance could easily be seeing action with some discipline and self improvement+the right knowledge. But as long as porn is just sitting there free for the taking, many of these people will settle for the porn addict lifestyle instead.
Bam Bam Baklava
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True, it's on an individual basis.
Interesting page. But as I near the halfway point I'm still holding court ball-up balla I don't think I can be convinced otherwise. This experiment has it's highs and lows. Been going H*A*M at the gym and dieting which has really paid off.
Someone who is starting off should do like a web diary on this with a few updates a day to make it easier for newcomers to understand the mental torture you undergo from abstaining from sexay pronz
Someone who is starting off should do like a web diary on this with a few updates a day to make it easier for newcomers to understand the mental torture you undergo from abstaining from sexay pronz
Just wanked one for the first time since May 1. I dont know why, it wasnt a lack of will power, I just felt like doing it. Im not mad about it either. I made solid progress and felt an improvement. I dont think one jerk will kill me. I already know that ill be back to no MO no problems.
Naked Snake
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Did you look at porn while you wanked? Makes all the difference.
Picture of my girlfriend. I think doing the full month of May might've been the "reset" I needed? I feel more relaxed about the whole ordeal now. I already have no desire to watch anymore porn, and I can pretty easily abstain from masturbating now. Sex is better now too. Maybe I'm finished? Either way, I plan on keeping up with this for a lifestyle change, I probably just won't be counting days anymore.
ConradCervantes
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My tip is to read. A lot. I'm working on a week now and I've blown through Misery, WWZ, and and Chamber of Secrets in that timeframe. I used to consume literature at a phenomenal rate before discovering self-gratification, and now I'm thrilled to be picking that habit back up.
Three weeks today. Ten days left! I've been thinking of doing the 90 days though. So far I'm overall having most of the positive results and none of the negative withdrawal syndroms. Maybe I'm not addicted after all? But I'm having thoughts like "it's gonna be great when I can masturbate again... to porn!" so that's a bad sign I think hehe.
My friend had sex last night after I went home before closing due to a bad mood (most boring night out in a long time, even though I should have a stronger libido by now). He's going to add 10 days
My friend had sex last night after I went home before closing due to a bad mood (most boring night out in a long time, even though I should have a stronger libido by now). He's going to add 10 days
Naked Snake
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I relapsed some days ago after 35 days of no porn... and again today.
I ain't even mad.
I ain't even mad.
RatskyWatsky
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42 days no porn. I haven't been able (or haven't really wanted) to stop masturbating again.
That was my reaction after I relapsed also. You'll likely make it even further next time, as whatever ridiculous "reason" your mind tricked you with as an excuse to view porn should not work next time.
My last relapse was on day 9, upon which I started back at day 1. Currently on day 22, no sweat.
That's right. It's different THIS TIME!
Keavy_Rain
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Seriously, guys...do the workout thing.
It really does help.
58 days and I wouldn't have made it this far without my exercise routine.
It really does help.
58 days and I wouldn't have made it this far without my exercise routine.
Do you mean just having a workout routine you generally follow, or do you mean going to work out as soon as "the urge" hits you?
tsurugi no mai
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Day 15 here and I haven't beat it or looked at any porn. It's a lot easier than I thought it would be.
I have been intrigued by this for quite some time. I tried it (could only last a pathetic 2 weeks) and didn't notice any change. Perhaps a long abstinence would yield some benefits.
My only real problem is that there is no real science to back these claims up. Yes, I watched that yourbrainonporn.com guy's videos and read his articles, but it makes far too many assumptions to be taken seriously. His dopamine theory of overstimulation is plausible, but it's based completely on the science of hard drugs of abuse that stimulate the reward centers far more potently than any porn binge. I've searched pubmed for "Porn addiction" and related terms, and only found one decent article (which I can't find right now). That same article received a very good response that, imo, exposed it for the crock of shit that it is. I'll try to find it.
If you are seriously addicted to pornography, then there are a multitude of reasons to stop. But if you're the average 20 some year old masturbating once a day, I highly doubt you will receive any sort of substantial benefit from this. That's not to say this isn't worthy of (real, scientific) study.
As for all the anecdotal evidence, it is difficult to differentiate it from placebo. But these wild claims of social anxiety, depression, etc. disappearing and turning into some kind of Casanova are difficult to believe.
tl;dr: the ideas of numbed pleasure responses and overstimulation etc. from pornography consumption are not backed up by real science.
My only real problem is that there is no real science to back these claims up. Yes, I watched that yourbrainonporn.com guy's videos and read his articles, but it makes far too many assumptions to be taken seriously. His dopamine theory of overstimulation is plausible, but it's based completely on the science of hard drugs of abuse that stimulate the reward centers far more potently than any porn binge. I've searched pubmed for "Porn addiction" and related terms, and only found one decent article (which I can't find right now). That same article received a very good response that, imo, exposed it for the crock of shit that it is. I'll try to find it.
If you are seriously addicted to pornography, then there are a multitude of reasons to stop. But if you're the average 20 some year old masturbating once a day, I highly doubt you will receive any sort of substantial benefit from this. That's not to say this isn't worthy of (real, scientific) study.
As for all the anecdotal evidence, it is difficult to differentiate it from placebo. But these wild claims of social anxiety, depression, etc. disappearing and turning into some kind of Casanova are difficult to believe.
tl;dr: the ideas of numbed pleasure responses and overstimulation etc. from pornography consumption are not backed up by real science.
Imagine somebody sniffs glue to get high every day. They stop for 90 days, and notice a host of benefits. Would you call that a potential placebo effect?
When we are talking about something inherently negative(sniffing glue, jerking it alone in your room to some pornography) and such actions are stopped with a corresponding improvement in mood, the placebo effect is the last thing on my list of potential causes. Sure it COULD be, but why grasp for such an unlikely conclusion when it is so obvious that the prior action was causing negative effects?
That's like trying to explain an easily explainable phenomenon like a weather balloon with an extremely improbable reason like aliens. Why grasp for the most unlikely explanation?
I know you are not claiming one way or the other, but the placebo explanation doesn't seem anywhere near as likely as the more obvious explanation.
When we are talking about something inherently negative(sniffing glue, jerking it alone in your room to some pornography) and such actions are stopped with a corresponding improvement in mood, the placebo effect is the last thing on my list of potential causes. Sure it COULD be, but why grasp for such an unlikely conclusion when it is so obvious that the prior action was causing negative effects?
That's like trying to explain an easily explainable phenomenon like a weather balloon with an extremely improbable reason like aliens. Why grasp for the most unlikely explanation?
I know you are not claiming one way or the other, but the placebo explanation doesn't seem anywhere near as likely as the more obvious explanation.
That's true. I've wondered about that a lot when I started trying to "reboot" back in November.
But then I realized...who cares? It might be a placebo or it might not, but ultimately for whatever reason the results are there. From that point, whether or not porn addiction was the reason things weren't right is irrelevant, because you're suddenly noticing improvements and gaining confidence that make your life better.
So why on earth would you give that up just because it may or may not have a scientific basis? We're not talking about undergoing a potentially dangerous operation or anything, we're talking about giving up a simple habit. Even if there's no improvement, what's the harm in viewing less/no porn? I wanted to add a sarcastic example here but I can't even think of any remotely negative consequence.
You are right, there is no harm in trying this. But it would be kind of wonky if thousands of guys gave up masturbation for months only to realize it was proven to be scientific nonsense. Placebo effects can be powerful. And yes, I'm not some anti-porn zealot, but I think we could all do with less hardcore pornography.
I'm not trying to discourage anyone from trying this. I'm just saying the yourbrainonporn guy makes a weak case.
That's not a very good comparison. Sniffing glue is documented to cause brain damage, so of course you'll feel better if you stop (or maybe not, if you've damaged your brain enough).
Placebo is not a farfetched explanation. People regularly report feeling better on placebo in double blind trials for serious psychiatric disorders at rates greater than 60%.
victreeb3l
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almost 3 weeks in, shit has been great.
i guess its helped that ive gotten laid during this process but i have zero urge to look up porn or jerk off. sometimes i have the odd hard on but its easy to get over instead of before where i had to muster every ounce of willpower to stop
i even deleted my porn folder! i feel so...clean
i guess its helped that ive gotten laid during this process but i have zero urge to look up porn or jerk off. sometimes i have the odd hard on but its easy to get over instead of before where i had to muster every ounce of willpower to stop
i even deleted my porn folder! i feel so...clean
Battersea Power Station
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Who cares though, in the long run?
I'm doing the 5-6 small meals a day diet while working out, and it's working out great for me: I lost a bunch of weight, I have more energy, and I feel much better.
Now people are saying that there's no research to support the idea that eating frequent small meals "keeps your metabolism going" or anything like that, and that there are no significant differences from eating 3 larger meals or going longer periods without eating.
There's no way that researchers can map out every single thing that happens in your body and in your brain, however. It works for me, so I will keep doing it. Abstinence from porn is working for people here, so they should keep doing it. Why avoid something that is making you feel healthier and having beneficial results, just because there's no research to back it up?
Keavy_Rain
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Regular routine, plus I find other activities incompatible with fapping to do when the urge hits.
The science behind it doesn't mean a thing. It's just that many of us were desperate for a way out, this guy comes along with a way out and we tried it and, for a lot of us, it's helping.
You being right doesn't suddenly invalidate all the progress I made. All it means is you're right because you disproved a claim on a website that's helped people.
Naked Snake
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Yeah, it's like on wikipedia pages of any "alternative approach" to any health condition, you'll always find emphasis on "THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE BACKING THIS UP".
If it's not backed by a big business lobby, then it's likely to be looked upon as quackery.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
TL4E works for the Porn Lobby
Fudgepuppy
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It's enough for me to stay off it for a week to be hard as a rock again.
Think I'm gonna do that, or two weeks. Don't really want to quit, don't feel bad because of it either so what's the problem?
Think I'm gonna do that, or two weeks. Don't really want to quit, don't feel bad because of it either so what's the problem?
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