bigbaldwolf86
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No it isn't. False equivalency combined with anecdotal evidence.
It is true. There are a lot of women that give out abuse when playing games. You just don't hear about it as often
No it isn't. False equivalency combined with anecdotal evidence.
Stuff like this happens so much it is not even funny. We have (the group I played MMO with during the years) multiple people banned for reporting cheaters and abusers. Eventually the admins/mods of those MMO's just got tired on all the reports and banned them instead of the cheaters / abusers.
Really? Alot of people know how to handle it... or just disable communication features for randoms.Holy hell why would you want to even play MMO games if that's how people behave!
Women are just as bad. One told one of my female friends she hopes her and her kids die in a roadside bomb. Abuse is everywhere on both sides
It is true. There are a lot of women that give out abuse when playing games. You just don't hear about it as often
Congratulations. You are that person!
How did she get into contact with the CEO of such a large game? Why did the CEO spend time on banning her?
Could really use the whole story here.
I am part of the vast international feminazi conspiracy to round up men into tastefully decorated internment campsand force them to listen to us talk about our feelings.
Congratulations. You are that person!
It is true. There are a lot of women that give out abuse when playing games. You just don't hear about it as often
Really? Alot of people know how to handle it... or just disable communication features for randoms.
How many of these women target others based on gender?
Your comments have little to do with the actual angle of the article.
Wow. Instead of people saying how awful that is to say to someone you have a go at me instead. Congratulate yourself
Story needs more details and an attempt to contact the other party before I can take it seriously, it doesn't sound very far fetched but a real for serious journalist should know that one side of an emotional story is rarely 100% correct
A lot of stuff in that article needs some facts to be provided. A CEO banning a customer when the customer complained of abuse AND their personal information being posted online for all to see would be big news all over the place.
You saying you know of one friend who encountered abuse online from another woman and using it to dismiss the serious problem of endemic sexist abuse in gaming and the wider world is what's awful.
You saying you know of one friend who encountered abuse online from another woman and using it to dismiss the serious problem of endemic sexist abuse in gaming and the wider world is what's awful.
The story is about the trouble women have while gaming, not about the specific game. Yeah, the story itself would benefit from details since it adds credibility, but does that really discredit the whole thing? It's hard to prove stuff on the internet, but is that a reason to ignore this completely?
Indeed. Big news, data privacy law(s) broken and a huge lawsuit in the making.
Never heard of that happening until now... Its sketchy. We all know these type of sensational stories are seldom checked into for accuracy. ceo banned her? Idk...No, I'm more or less speaking about the "get death threats/file a complaint/get banned" part.
Why the fuck would I bother surrounding myself in an environment so vile?
It's no wonder the mainstream public see online gaming as some disorder (lone Wow raider who lost his job and wife because he couldn't disconnect).
I don't think so. It's not an expose as such, but a commentary based upon anecdotal experiences.
Huh? What's the point of banning the reporters? That would be more work than banning the people who do the cheating, since people would just continually report the cheater.
About me
I am part of the vast international feminazi conspiracy to round up men into tastefully decorated internment campsand force them to listen to us talk about our feelings.
At this point, I'd rather be killed by a terrorist than going on living through this horror show. I visited California last month and a TSA agent groped my breasts in full view of other passengers and made it quite clear that she enjoyed feeling me up and she made sure to squeeze extra hard, too.
Oh, and she asked me my bra size, too. I refused to answer (in fact, I refused to speak to her), which made them pull me aside for even more screening. They turned my bags inside out and one TSA agent screamed (that's the right word for it) at me--again, in full view of other passengers.
That's my last visit to the United States of America. Ever. I don't care if it hurts my academic or professional career, I refuse to visit the USA.
By the way, when the next terrorist attack hits the United States, expect zero sympathy from me. You've earned it.
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TheIneffableSwede commented on Gamer rage: can it be stopped, and should it be?.Gamer rage: can it be stopped, and should it be?
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/gamesblog/2013/jul/29/twitter-culture-gamer-rage
I've gotten abuse in online games because I'm a female gamer, but the men get it, too? Wow.
I used to be--emphasise used to be--an avid participant in a certain online game. I was a very good player of this game, but the majority of its players are guys. I'd say the ratio is about 80:20 male:female for this game. The game is MMORPG and has millions of active users from all over the planet.
Whenever I won against my opponents, which I did almost always, some male players would threaten to rape, mutilate, or even kill me (but rape was by far the most frequent threat). I reported these threats to the game operators, whose response was:
1. It's your fault for choosing a username that reflects your gender. You should change your name to something that is gender-neutral.
2. If you are concerned about this, report it to the police (how do you report someone you only know as "VikingKiller0912", especially when that player is in a different country from you???)
In other words, even though these personal threats were against the game rules, the game's staff assumed no responsibility for enforcing the rules, or else blamed me for "provoking" the male players. (One game operator did tell me that I "provoked" the threats by "playing too well" and suggested I deliberately lose more often so as not to bruise male egos. This game operator was, by the way, female.)
Eventually, I complained to the CEO himself of the gaming company and his response was to ban me from the game because he was "tired of hearing about this problem". The players who threatened me with rape, mutilation, and death are still active in the game and some of them have been given jobs as game operators (the referees of the game).
Before I was banned, one of the game operators, an employee of the company, released my real life details (full legal name, physical address, email, telephone number, link to my social media such as Facebook, etc.) to thousands of other players (I had given this information when I registered for the game) and encouraged people to harass me outside the game, which several of them did. I had to change my mobile number, cancel my Facebook, and even considered moving house at one point to escape the harassment.
All of this just to play a simple game online.
Well, could have been worse: I could have been a game designer.
I don't know if it's always been that way in the online gaming community. I don't have any perspective other than my two years of experience in my MMORPG.
Most online gamers don't behave this way. Most online gamers behave themselves. I'm not really interested in "understanding" the people who threaten death, rape, and other real life harm just because of a game that's supposed to be fun. I just want the gaming companies to make these people go away.
Which is exactly why I wonder it's been put up on The Guardian's "Games Blog" and not on the front page, or on other places. A gaming company banning someone from complaining about people leaving hate and rape messages against her, as well as breaking the Data Protection Act (the law) and releasing her personal information?
That would be grounds for international headline news.
A lot of stuff in that article needs some facts to be provided. A CEO banning a customer when the customer complained of abuse AND their personal information being posted online for all to see would be big news all over the place.
It would also make the story terrible easy to expose as a lie/exaggeration in case it's completely made up.They don't want to risk slander? Even if the person telling the news is right, it's not legally advisable.
Why can't they specify which MMORPG it is? Seriously. What's holding them back here because people should know.
I'm thinking WOW or LOL. The only two top ones I can think of.
Turns out TheIneffableSwede is a user at TheGuardian
Her bio at TheGuardian:
https://id.guardian.co.uk/profile/theineffableswede/public
Some of her other comments
at http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jul/04/tsa-nsa-unreasonable-searches
Their wording in the article
I'm thinking WOW or LOL. The only two top ones I can think of.
We need detective gaf to find out what company and game this is about.
WoW GM's are VERY strict, they ban people for crude pms all the time.* Millions of players
* Some sort of PvP aspect.
* CO responds to complaints directly and bans people
WoW sprung to mind first of all, but I really don't see any of the big guys there responding directly to a complaint and proceeding to ban the complainer. On the other hand, though, millions of players. That screams F2P to me.
Could really use the whole story here.
I'm thinking WOW or LOL. The only two top ones I can think of.
Seems like the more competitive nature of LoL would lead to that level of unpleasantness.
It is true. There are a lot of women that give out abuse when playing games. You just don't hear about it as often
Yeah, but I have to be honest, this smells like bullshit to me. Either we're only getting a fraction of the story, or it's completely false.* Millions of players
* Some sort of PvP aspect.
* CO responds to complaints directly and bans people
* Real-life details are available to the game
WoW sprung to mind first of all, but I really don't see any of the big guys there responding directly to a complaint and proceeding to ban the complainer. On the other hand, though, millions of players. That screams F2P to me.
There's an enormous difference about sadly common ocurrences like assholes being assholes online and CEOs banning someone who's a victim of sexism and harassment and publishing their full details online. This isn't a common attitude at all and generic examples don't make any sense here.Everyone wanting the name of the game is missing the point and throwing up a red herring; this is a generic example meant to stand for common and pervasive attitudes.
Also it's an English outlet and I'm no barrister but their libel law is more complicated than American.