pooteeweet
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FOV is 90 for Halo, 70 for Halo 2, and 72 for Halo 3--I think.
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The Halo 3 Beta Thread
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Well, that's enough to be noticeable, for sure. Halo 2 felt like firefights were more claustrophobic, for lack of a better term. Halo 3 feels much better.GeoNeo said:Yeah, they increased it by 12 degrees over Halo 2.I also notice people are more prone to motion sickness when the FOV is so restricted.
I'd read a few times that it was 60 in Halo 2. Not sure how accurate it is.pooteeweet said:
pooteeweet
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Yeah, I could be wrong guys. I thought ferrex addressed the FOV topic in this thread, but I can't seem to find it.
RiskyChris
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I think the FOV is why I hated Halo 2 so much, besides feeling incompetent vs weapon whores.
The game always felt so cramped for me and I got sick of people beating on me from areas I obviously couldn't see.
The game always felt so cramped for me and I got sick of people beating on me from areas I obviously couldn't see.
Mister Toups said:
Halo: 90°
Halo 2: 60°
Halo 3: 72° (Someone from Bungie called me out like a hundred pages ago, and looked this up. Also said it might not be final, but I don't know how seriously he meant it.)
Half-Life 2: 75° (PC gamers not used to it got motion sickness.)
Counterstrike: Source: 90°
Unreal Tournament 2004: 90°
Call of Duty: 80°
Doom 3: 90°
Quake 4: 90°
What's so bad about narrow fields of vision in competitive first person shooters? Obviously the problem is that you see less! In H3 I'm having to do a lot of flicking back and forth to cover an angle wide enough for me to be confident when searching for guys I expect to be ahead of me. I didn't mind it much in HL2 singleplayer, because, like you mentioned, they had it in mind. But it has no place in multiplayer, where cinematic direction is never an issue in the first place, and where you need to be presented with as much information as is reasonably possible - and reasonably possible has been pretty consistently defaulting to 90 degrees for some time now.
Aiming more precisely can easily be adjusted with stick or mouse sensitivity; it isn't really dependent on FOV within reasonable parameters.
90 degrees doesn't look ugly or unnatural to you, hopefully, because it's so common, and your own field of view, as a human being, is close to 180. Of course you can't read a book with your peripheral vision, but you'd notice a gigantic blue robot bearing down on you with a machine gun.
And actually, console FPSes traditionally have thinner FOVs because people are expected to be sitting further back with screen comprising a smaller wedge of their vision, while PC FPSes have wider FOVs because people are expected to be right up on the screen, with it almost filling their view.
Besides, as 16x9 displays become more and more common, it makes less and less sense to stuff thin FOVs into the wider space.
(In case you haven't noticed, this is one of my pet peeves, and is very high on the list of Things That Ruin Halo 2.)
When you pick up certain weapons or enter vehicles. I don't have much experience with either, so I won't hazard a guess as to what the FOV is for third person. In HL2, though, the FOV reverts to 90 when you enter a vehicle.Mister Toups said:
Continuing to use Halo, that situation is largely avoided because the only things relevant to you that you have to watch out for are, in general, six feet tall. It's rare to find a situation in which someone is so far away that the difference between 90 and 72 hurts you (even in 480i), but relatively common to be up against somebody else in CQC, when the extra 18 degrees on the periphery very tangibly helps you avoid being whacked in the back. It also helps that although the delivery system is analog, once you've played through the game, or have played a few hours of multiplayer, you can interpret it almost digitally. Like in SMB, there are only so many tiles, and you can pretty quickly learn a 3D shooter's geometry set well enough that even slightly stretched things can be quickly categorized. I find that, also, most distortion occurs around the edges of the screen, which makes sense because it's the same deal with wide angle lenses on cameras.Mister Toups said:
Yesterday in H3 I was playing ring around the rosie with two blue guys because I saw them on my radar but couldn't get them into view
If I have time (probably not during the beta ;_
I'll make up some comparison screenshots in HL2 or something. I think the console command for FOV changing is pretty easy in that?CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
:lol :lol :lol :lolNino said:
I didnt want to keep this from you guys. That's me on a Mongoose. Thanks again for 'filming' it MMaRsu!doing 4 barrel rolls, riding away clean
PICKLEMOUSE
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JB1981 said:
HAHAHAH BITCHIN!! :lol :lol
MMaRsu
Gold Member
Nino said:
I didnt want to keep this from you guys. That's me on a Mongoose. Thanks again for 'filming' it MMaRsu!doing 4 barrel rolls, riding away clean
Btw I killed you afterwards, you know that right? :lol
I have one movie I want to have a little animated gif of as well...
Sicher and I where riding a Mongoose, I was on the back with a laser
Then I lasered a enemy warthog which was totally amazing!Who can do this?
soujiro_seta
Member
Nino said:
I didnt want to keep this from you guys. That's me on a Mongoose. Thanks again for 'filming' it MMaRsu!doing 4 barrel rolls, riding away clean
:lol :lol Awesome clip!:lol :lol
So I'm pretty much done with the Halo 3 beta and was hoping to pass my copy of Crackdown onto a buddy so that he could try out the awesomeness that is Halo 3. Has anyone done this yet? It seems like it would let you redownload the beta onto another console, but I wanted to make sure before I sent him the game.
The best thing about the grenades is, I don't have a favorite. They each have their use. I love the spike grenades partly because they make a wonderful sound when you stick some poor soul with'em.
*squelch*
Side note: With the deepening of the Brute sandbox, it has me thinking that we'll be on some ships/worlds that are entirely Brute focused. Places where you won't find plasma grenades, but you do find spike grenades; where you don't find the Plasma Rifle or SMG, but the Spiker Rifle is available. Similar to the early Arbiter missions in Halo 2, where the Carbine was the substitute for the Battle Rifle.
*squelch*
Side note: With the deepening of the Brute sandbox, it has me thinking that we'll be on some ships/worlds that are entirely Brute focused. Places where you won't find plasma grenades, but you do find spike grenades; where you don't find the Plasma Rifle or SMG, but the Spiker Rifle is available. Similar to the early Arbiter missions in Halo 2, where the Carbine was the substitute for the Battle Rifle.
Hahaha just had a sweet round. Was 4v4 slayer on Valhalla, and right at the start two of my teammates dropped.
So rather than get discouraged, my lone partner and I just rode around like crazy people in the warthog for like the entire match.
Normally this wouldn't be that funny, but I kept laying on the horn the whole time. They see me come powersliding around some corner... "HONK HONK HOOOOOOONK HONK HOOOOONK"
We weren't even trying to kill them, just trying to get crazy air, etc. They were assholes and kept sticking us, lasering us, etc. After they were up like 30 to 5 you'd think they'd have joined the party and gotten in the hog with us, or something
So rather than get discouraged, my lone partner and I just rode around like crazy people in the warthog for like the entire match.
Normally this wouldn't be that funny, but I kept laying on the horn the whole time. They see me come powersliding around some corner... "HONK HONK HOOOOOOONK HONK HOOOOONK"
We weren't even trying to kill them, just trying to get crazy air, etc. They were assholes and kept sticking us, lasering us, etc. After they were up like 30 to 5 you'd think they'd have joined the party and gotten in the hog with us, or something
Virtua Ben
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Ah, finally got my 360 connected to the university network. Played a couple games and advanced a rank (Sergeant - Grade 3)! Yay.
Fallout-NL
Member
What the hell is up with those ugly ass sparks by the way? Bring back Halo 1's beautiful sparks.
apocalidiot
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Why the hell is that a .doc on Savefile?apocalidiot said:
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SCORE TO WIN
TEAM SLAYER
SCORING
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ASSIST POINTS
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LEADER KILL BONUS
HEADSHOT BONUS
BEATDOWN BONUS
ASSASSINATION BONUS
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SHIELDS AND HEALTH
DAMAGE RESISTANCE
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ROUND SETTINGS
NUMBER OF ROUNDS
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VEHICLE SET
INDESTRUCTIBLE VEHICLES
POWERUP OVERRIDES
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SUICIDE PENALTY
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SYNCHRONIZE WITH TEAM
RESPAWN TIME GROWTH
RESPAWN ON KILLS
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OBSERVERSedit; wow that's some amazing depth, great, I really appreciate high amounts of options. Think of the options. I'm gonna start coming up with some awesome modes and write them down so I can create them right away on September 26th
GDJustin said:We weren't even trying to kill them, just trying to get crazy air, etc. They were assholes and kept sticking us, lasering us, etc. After they were up like 30 to 5 you'd think they'd have joined the party and gotten in the hog with us, or something
They probably, you know, wanted to play for real. Not watch two yahoos jumping a warthog for 15 minutes.
Diablohead
Member
Well after a few hours i'm learning the new weapon balance and map layouts, strangely the maps feel realy small dispite the screenshots making them look huge! I guess thats good for most 4 on 4 gametypes.
What is the damn deal with people quitting out 5 minutes before the match end when our team is only 3 behind, why!? I only came back to this forum because the game locked up on selecting a new host, damn bungie at last make punishment for that kind of leaving harsh so it stops people doing it... I think someone left in half the games I played tonight being at the beginning or near the end.
Apart from that and a small handful of laggy games its pretty nice, more effects in use then I thought, the analog sticks now feel way too sensative even at setting 2, way too twitchy on the sniper for my likes.
What is the damn deal with people quitting out 5 minutes before the match end when our team is only 3 behind, why!? I only came back to this forum because the game locked up on selecting a new host, damn bungie at last make punishment for that kind of leaving harsh so it stops people doing it... I think someone left in half the games I played tonight being at the beginning or near the end.
Apart from that and a small handful of laggy games its pretty nice, more effects in use then I thought, the analog sticks now feel way too sensative even at setting 2, way too twitchy on the sniper for my likes.
I'm leaving feedback against every kid under age in this game. I'm sorry but Bungie said you had to be at least 18 years of age to get into the Beta. I'm sick and tired of hearing little kids rap, talk shit and scream at the top of their lungs in these games. I've had enough. I might not get them banned, but if I leave enough feedback, maybe I won't have to put up with them near as much.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Campaign says hi.Nino said:I'm gonna start coming up with some awesome modes and write them down so I can create them right away on September 26th
:lol
Son of Godzilla
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I use 6. I prefer 10, but too much overshooting got to me. It'd be really, really cool if you could customize sensitivity for specific weapons.
Oh and BTB saved Valhalla. It's so much better with 12 it isn't funny. I'm actually liking High Ground the least right now. It's just too straightforward compared to the other two.
Oh and BTB saved Valhalla. It's so much better with 12 it isn't funny. I'm actually liking High Ground the least right now. It's just too straightforward compared to the other two.
Diablohead
Member
I use 2 for a steady crosshair, but I got to get use to no movement accel like halo 1 and 2 had because I keep twiching too much and missing snipes and lazer shots
HAHA yeah its funny, one kid ended a voice war with something snotty like "well I don't like you, huhph!" and made it sound like he just won a bitch fest, he must have been like 13 or something. :lolJdFoX187 said: