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The human species is such a disappointment

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sphinx said:
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I don't agree with this. What does it mean by "good people to do evil thing"? If you commit 'evil' actions you're not a good person.

Is it talking about how they justify the action to themself? If so that's something done by every single person. Every individual motivated by any ideology believes what they're doing to be good.

BladeoftheImmortal said:
Some things are demonstrably worse. Wages/income equality being one of them. Economically we are regressing more towards serfdom than the other way. At least we can choose our masters this time.

If you mean violence only, then yes times are more peaceful than ever. If you mean on the whole. I wouldn't be so quick to agree with your assumption.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient#/media/File:Gini_since_WWII.svg

Far more complex than "demonstrably worse". It has gotten worse in certain countries and better in certain countries. This also doesn't include any of the african of many of european/asian/american countries where life has greatly improved and it has gotten better. This chart is also only since WWII which is far better than what it was during the middle ages. There was no concept of social mobility during middle ages.

Social mobility and economic inequality are only few of the metrics that help quantify the quality of life. It doesn't tell the complete story. Even though the income disparity in China or UK or US has gotten worse since the last 50 years, the quality of life overall has gotten significantly better.

So while we might not be getting better in every single aspect everywhere in the world, as a whole life today is far better than any time in history.
 
An emotional response after last night's events is normal, but what you posted is just as ridiculous as the implication that humanity is perfect.

We just are, man. You don't have to change the world (unless you want to), just live your life and be pleasant to the people you happen to come across.
 
BladeoftheImmortal said:
Nothing is necessary. And you are showing how much of a disappointment this species is. Why is he a failure, again? Why do you assume that just because he has a different view of the world than you do?

Someone at the top can still think humanity is a bad species for the planet. You are projecting just as bad as him. So quit calling the kettle black, bro.
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The irony in this post.
 
It's easy to think this when you see the darker side of humanity.

There are good people too.

The difference between good and bad is like day and night.

Good people are the ones living up to humanity's potential.
 
As a species our advancements have plateaued over the past century. We are actively damaging the planet and we cannot even coexist despite living on multiple land masses. I agree with you OP, humans suck. I am aware enough to take a look from a far off perspective.

Rather be a dog.

Despite everything Humans have achieved, we're still ridiculously primitive.

I'm waiting for the day Moonraker launches.
 
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JumpCancel said:
As a species our advancements have plateaued over the past century. We are actively damaging the planet and we cannot even coexist despite living on multiple land masses. I agree with you OP, humans suck. I am aware enough to take a look from a far off perspective.

Rather be a dog.

Despite everything Humans have achieved, we're still ridiculously primitive.

I'm waiting for the day Moonraker launches.
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What. We coexist pretty well actually. There are so many nations, and most of them now trade with each other. War has and will probably always exist between nations, but even our wars are fairly tame. We have rules and constraints.

And we're ridiculously primitive compared to what exactly? Some hypothetical species?
 
BladeoftheImmortal said:
Nothing is necessary. And you are showing how much of a disappointment this species is. Why is he a failure, again? Why do you assume that just because he has a different view of the world than you do?

Someone at the top can still think humanity is a bad species for the planet. You are projecting just as bad as him. So quit calling the kettle black, bro.
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The moment the OP started projecting their own beliefs onto everyone else is the moment I thought they were a failure.

Just because they have a different viewpoint than me? No. You can have different viewpoints, I respect different viewpoints and love to learn from them and grow. But the OP's viewpoint criticizes all people as a whole and groups everyone into some bubble that exists in their mind, that isn't something that you can learn from. Its' a viewpoint that only exists to regress and devalue everything people have accomplished.

Stop trying to take some holier than thou, introspective stance and even try suggesting what I said equated to anything said in the OP. I told the OP only one suggestion of the vast other things they can do. Your stance seems to be supporting the OP's viewpoint and wants them to live in some sort of "all faith is lost in humanity" bullshit. I do not support that at all, because that same mentality is what lets tragedies like this happen. As soon as you stop caring about people, places, things the line between what can be done to these people, places, and things blurs and tragedies will be the result.
 
CornBurrito said:
What. We coexist pretty well actually. There are so many nations, and most of them now trade with each other. War has and will probably always exist between nations, but even our wars are fairly tame. We have rules and constraints.

And we're ridiculously primitive compared to what exactly? Some hypothetical species?
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We can put men on the moon and develop vehicles that com-bust oil yet we still use money, which is different all over the world. Wealth has a huge divide, with the majority of it tied to a few. Its up to the genetic lottery weather your born with a silver spoon in your mouth or water 5 miles away.

We could engineer hydrogen powered cars and give them to everyone and reduce polution. Not enough profit. We'd rather drain the planet of oil then, when we're down to the last few gallons only then will we develop them and sell them at a high price.

I don't want to get into a deep debate online, but we could do many things better and I feel the only thing holding us back is the lack of profit in bettering the world. The people who can change the world aren't bothered.

We could probably fix most of the human races problems in a month, but we don't.

What do I know though? I'm just a random name on an internet page.
 
JumpCancel said:
We can put men on the moon and develop vehicles that com-bust oil yet we still use money, which is different all over the world. Wealth has a huge divide, with the majority of it tied to a few. Its up to the genetic lottery weather your born with a silver spoon in your mouth or water 5 miles away.

We could engineer hydrogen powered cars and give them to everyone and reduce polution. Not enough profit. We'd rather drain the planet of oil then, when we're down to the last few gallons only then will we develop them and sell them at a high price.

I don't want to get into a deep debate online, but we could do many things better and I feel the only thing holding us back is the lack of profit in bettering the world. The people who can change the world aren't bothered.

We could probably fix most of the human races problems in a month, but we don't.

What do I know though? I'm just a random name on an internet page.
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In other species genetic lottery is even more important.

Prove hydrogen powered pollution free cars can exist in 2015.

None of this even negates the fact that most people are kind and caring and capable of immense empathy.
 
Are you coming down from a shroom high? I usually think about stuff like this when Im coming down from a shroom high.
 
Sorry I cant hear you over my magic space box that instantly brings forth all human knowledge from the past 10,000 years.


As shitty as it looks, we are still better off than we have ever been as a species.
 
all human knowledge from the past 10,000 years.
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uh, no. This kind of thing is just as bizarre and objectively wrong as the op's kind of thinking

(speaking of, they should check back in: feeling better at the end of day? Any of this stuff making you reconsider?)
 
CornBurrito said:
Prove hydrogen powered pollution free cars can exist in 2015.
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Do you really think all that's holding us back is the technology, that we can't develop it? There is no profit. Oil fuel is what everyone with a car needs. Add to that the requirement of specific water fueling stations so owners were not grabbing water from lakes or rivers. Yeah we'll put that one on the slow burner and develop robots instead. People LOVE robots.

CornBurrito said:
None of this even negates the fact that most people are kind and caring and capable of immense empathy.
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Did I ever say it did? There are some people that are a credit to the species, however if you look at our species for all its existence as a single long act, again we've Plataed and are continuing to damage the earth as more and more people are born without the resources to allow everyone the same existence. That should have been priority 1 from our inception.

Human nature I suppose.
 
Ryouji Gunblade said:
Basic instincts like greed and lust corrupt our rational scientific progress.
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Those are not basic instincts. These are incorrect Western concepts that have been getting holes in them over time as we study the world.

Even Darwin knew this. Mankind's greatest ability, in his view, was the capability to sympathize and empathize with others. That's kind of the opposite of what you're speaking of, so that nurturing comes from elsewhere.
 
eu pfhor ia said:
uh, no. This kind of thing is just as bizarre and objectively wrong as the op's kind of thinking

(speaking of, they should check back in: feeling better at the end of day? Any of this stuff making you reconsider?)
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If you're worried about me, I'm perfectly fine, it was just a vent. You know when you have some thoughts and you think "i should probably keep this to myself", well I went ahead and posted it anyway. Happens all the time in this forum.

Nevertheless, some of the answers were a little bit aggressive, as if expressing disappointment about humanity is some kind of personal insult to some people, or something that only a teenager can think. Yes, you can be disappointed about people, and there is no need to compare the species to anything else on the planet.

If I had to elaborate a little more, there are two things that really, really make me feel disappointment about our species as a whole:

a) The disconnect with the environment that we managed to put ourselves into. We are at the top of the food chain and that has allowed to show complete disrespect to anything else on the planet. There is no argument that we are destroying the planet, and we are picking up the pace, to a point where scientists are worried there might not be a way back.

b) The contrast between the obvious, infinite potential that we seem to have, compared to how wasted it is right now. One can envision a sci-fi-esque future where we have abandoned religion, have abolished nations and borders, and we are working together on space exploration, saving the planet, or something similar. But right now this scenario looks so far off, and then there is the question whether we are even designed for harmony, or if division and war are just natural parts of us and we will never be able to evolve past them.
 
Annoying Old Party Man said:
If you're worried about me, I'm perfectly fine, it was just a vent. You know when you have some thoughts and you think "i should probably keep this to myself", well I went ahead and posted it anyway. Happens all the time in this forum.

Nevertheless, some of the answers were a little bit aggressive, as if expressing disappointment about humanity is some kind of personal insult to some people, or something that only a teenager can think. Yes, you can be disappointed about people, and there is no need to compare the species to anything else on the planet.

If I had to elaborate a little more, there are two things that really, really make me feel disappointment about our species as a whole:

a) The disconnect with the environment that we managed to put ourselves into. We are at the top of the food chain and that has allowed to show complete disrespect to anything else on the planet. There is no argument that we are destroying the planet, and we are picking up the pace, to a point where scientists are worried there might not be a way back.

b) The contrast between the obvious, infinite potential that we seem to have, compared to how wasted it is right now. One can envision a sci-fi-esque future where we have abandoned religion, have abolished nations and borders, and we are working together on space exploration, saving the planet, or something similar. But right now this scenario looks so far off, and then there is the question whether we are even designed for harmony, or if division and war are just natural parts of us and we will never be able to evolve past them.
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Division and war are a natural part of, the past 10,000 years of human history have made that abundantly clear, the question has always been whether it's possible to move past that, but that was never ever going to be easy. As long as people consider human life to be less important than ones ambitions, and material wants, or even pleasure etc, conflict will always arise. The fact there's 7.5 billion people means there, 7.5 slightly different world views, so such homogenesis was never going to be a easy thing.

The issue is the ruling members of our species are obsessed with greed which will inevitable bring a whole load of problems down the line (we're still suffering the effects dowing barely anything against global warming because of it), There will always be crazies, that's natural variation, it's the influencial ones you should be worried about.

Also infinite potential sounds very up your own ass, who told you humanity had infinite potential. Sounds very self important.
 
It is perfectly natural to feel angry after events like these but I recommend you read some accounts of what took place. You will read of the bravery shown by those at the event with men/woman who risked their lives to save others, of taxi drivers turning off their meters and taking people home for free, of brave policeman who put their life on the line to rescue the defenseless. I read a story earlier of a guy who went home to get clothes for the survivors to change into, so they wouldn't be covered in blood. Events like these really highlight how much good there is in humanity and you shouldn't let some bad eggs sully that.
 
Principate said:
Division and war are a natural part of, the past 10,000 years of human history have made that abundantly clear, the question has always been whether it's possible to move past that, but that was never ever going to be easy. As long as people consider human life to be less important than ones ambitions, and material wants, or even pleasure etc, conflict will always arise. The fact there's 7.5 billion people means there, 7.5 slightly different world views, so such homogenesis was never going to be a easy thing.

The issue is the ruling members of our species are obsessed with greed which will inevitable bring a whole load of problems down the line (we're still suffering the effects dowing barely anything against global warming because of it), There will always be crazies, that's natural variation, it's the influencial ones you should be worried about.

Also infinite potential sounds very up your own ass, who told you humanity had infinite potential. Sounds very self important.
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Well that's why wrote seem to have. I agree with the rest.
 
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one
 
Humans are stupid and selfish. The world is not a good place to live in because of them. You don't even know what's real or not these days. Hope is no where to be found as well, if you think there is, then you probably don't know what's happening in this world. The several things that happened recently is just a few. There are a long list of secrets or stories untold. Media, I'm telling you, they're just controlling every shit.This world is probably going to get destroyed in a few years and I do wish so.

To be honest I don't want to leave a long life because of what's happening everywhere. If I could die tomorrow or the day after, I would want to. As long as it's a not a painful death lol.


EDIT: some of the posts here.. Man, you guys are crazy.
 
Hey Im Patrick said:
Humans are stupid and selfish. The world is not a good place to live in because of them. You don't even know what's real or not these days. Hope is no where to be found as well, if you think there is, then you probably don't know what's happening in this world. The several things that happened recently is just a few. There are a long list of secrets or stories untold. Media, I'm telling you, they're just controlling every shit.This world is probably going to get destroyed in a few years and I do wish so.

To be honest I don't want to leave a long life because of what's happening everywhere. If I could die tomorrow or the day after, I would want to. As long as it's a not a painful death lol.


EDIT: some of the posts here.. Man, you guys are crazy.
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Not as crazy as you are. >_>

Honestly, if I had the option, I would throw all misanthropists to mental hospitals
 
I agree with the OP. We are getting our shit together much too slowly. The window will close before we manage to kill ourselves. Bummer. Ya done fucked up earthlings.

Just because things are better than they used to be doesn't mean we're on track to do something great.
 
Karl Hawk said:
Not as crazy as you are. >_>

Honestly, if I had the option, I would throw all misanthropists to mental hospitals
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You'll probably lose your mind as well if you really know what's happening in this world. Not just with the bombings or whatever happened recently, but with everything.

I would love to be thrown in one so I can receive some medications that can make me forget how sick humans are.
 
Hey at least we don't gang rape our women with screw-like dicks like ducks do. So we aren't quite at the bottom yet.
 
Tesseract said:
they also helped propel us into this momentum of technological advancement
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I would argue that our rate of advancement is part of the problem. We have all this power but we're still stuck in ancient mindsets so we don't use it responsibly. The human brain is grossly misadapted for our current lifestyles. The way the human brain processes information isn't properly adapted for civilisation on this scale or the existential challenges we're facing.
 
If the only thing we left to our future insect overlords was Super Mario Galaxy, I think we could consider humanity to have been worth the effort.

We're doing okay, on aggregate.
 
We've only been on this earth for 30,000 years. Give it a time. Dinosaurs had lived for 165 million years, impossible to predict what we'll do in such time.
 
I brought up that notion in the Paris thread, which was duly not met with kind reception.

The general rebuttal is "speak for yourself / there are lots of great people, don't paint everyone with the same brush".

But I kinda think that's a naive exaggeration of how good people really are.

In the western world, completely drowned in luxury, for example, yeah, lots of people act pleasantly. But these people are still also deep down greedy, lazy, and selfish. Using smartphones built by slaves and ill-gotten materials. Using wasteful amounts of electricity and fossil fuels to power video games and illegally downloaded movies and TV shows to help distract us from global crises. Lazy armchair activism, if you're lucky. All while we obsess over money, material possessions, and unrealistic beauty, and countereffective social media apps, all vices that drive a wedge between us, and cause arguments, jealousy, spite and worse.

The good deeds are few and far between, and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if we were all in denial about the true intentions behind our good deeds. Are they really to help others or just make us feel better about miserable ourselves?
 
Humans have done terrible things, humans have done wonderful things. It has been so long before we were born and will remain so long after we've died.

Our lifespans are short, and ultimately being a part of this wonderful, terrible species is all that we have: what more can you hope for in life, than to cherish the values by which you hold others to, and in doing so try to pass them down, that posterity may think likewise?

"You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." ~ Ghandi
And I'm sure we can all agree that he had ample enough reason to despair over humanity more than any of us.
 
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