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cjelly said:
Does anybody elses battery life suck?

I'm beginning to get a little concerned.
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Mine's been pretty great. I took it off the charger Saturday morning and didn't put it back on last night (gonna do a full run-down before I start charging it up again). It's at 22% right now. Been using it as I normally would for texting, twitter, web, facebook, some gaming and even played around with Facetime last night.
 
Naka said:
I'm pretty much just texting and using facebook myself. I'm not thrilled with my battery life at all honestly. I don't feel like I'm using it any differently than I did my 3G and it seems like its going down WAY fater.
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Is the brightness setting on the highest? That' always a battery killer for me. Try turning off GPS and bluetooth until you need them.
 
Charred Greyface said:
Is the brightness setting on the highest? That' always a battery killer for me. Try turning off GPS and bluetooth until you need them.
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Brightness is at 50%. I have bluetooth off but I leave location services on. Even turning that off last night when I was getting low didnt seem to make a lot of difference. I'm starting to feel like I should exchange it...
 
Charred Greyface said:
Is the brightness setting on the highest? That' always a battery killer for me. Try turning off GPS and bluetooth until you need them.
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It's basically all brightness. Turn it as low as you can tolerate, then drop it a little further. Everything else has minimal impact from what I've read.
 
Charred Greyface said:
Is the brightness setting on the highest? That' always a battery killer for me. Try turning off GPS and bluetooth until you need them.
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Yeah. The biggest setting. I have it at 2/3 with auto-brightness on. It seems to do a great job.

Can't wait to have SBSettings back.
 
i think my battery life got better on my 3GS 24 hours of stand by and 5 hours of use. I think that's the best i've ever gotten out of the phone.
 
neojubei said:
Yeah, Apple should just have the user swipe the app away off screen.
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SuperPac said:
So it doesn't really hurt to just leave everything in that list.
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I'm OCD. It needs to be clean so I can find stuff quickly.

I don't know why the multitasking stuff is not just built into the dock.
Swipe right for multi-task, left for iPod/audio controls.

But then again I'm no phone UI genius, but it does need a little more work.
 
Buckethead said:
I'm OCD. It needs to be clean so I can find stuff quickly.

I don't know why the multitasking stuff is not just built into the dock.
Swipe right for multi-task, left for iPod/audio controls.

But then again I'm no phone UI genius, but it does need a little more work.
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I'm with you. Unless it's Mail, Phone, Safari, Messaging or iPod and I'm not currently using it, it goes away.
 
By clearing apps from the app switcher, you guys are basically throwing away all the benefits of fast app switching and its freeze/unfreeze system of quickly launching apps. Stop being OCD.
 
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Another cool new feature of the iPhone 4 is that it can play back 720p HD video. This means you can watch HD movies on the retina display in almost full quality. Granted, the display isn't quite 720p (only 640 lines) but it's close enough to look great. I used to digitize all my DVDs in 480p into iTunes for mobile playback but now I can also start digitizing BluRay films in 720p for playback on BOTH my TV and my iPhone!

Note: The video can't exceed 30fps and the audio can't exceed 16Kbps AAC.
 
ckohler said:
Another cool new feature of the iPhone 4 is that it can play back 720p HD video. This means you can watch HD movies on the retina display in almost full quality. Granted, the display isn't quite 720p (only 640 lines) but it's close enough to look great. I used to digitize all my DVDs in 480p into iTunes for mobile playback but now I can also start digitizing BluRay films in 720p for playback on BOTH my TV and my iPhone!

Note: The video can't exceed 30fps and the audio can't exceed 16Kbps AAC.
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Sure about that? :p
 
Tobor said:
Also, I've noticed a bug in Safari. Occasionally the downloading animation in the menu bar will stay on permanently. I have to close Safari in the task bar and reopen it to get it to stop. Bug fix time, Apple.
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Just came across this issue today. Thanks for posting the work around.

Anyone else enjoying iBooks? I tried reading books on the 3G with Stanza but I just couldn't get into it. It works amazing with this display though.
 
giga said:
By clearing apps from the app switcher, you guys are basically throwing away all the benefits of fast app switching and its freeze/unfreeze system of quickly launching apps. Stop being OCD.
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Don't you ever tell me how to live my life.

I only kill them when I'm done using them.
 
giga said:
By clearing apps from the app switcher, you guys are basically throwing away all the benefits of fast app switching and its freeze/unfreeze system of quickly launching apps. Stop being OCD.
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It reminds me of when i made the switch to Mac. I used to clear any apps I wasn't actively using. Now I just have everything open. End of the day, though, I do go and close some apps that I'm no longer using.
 
giga said:
By clearing apps from the app switcher, you guys are basically throwing away all the benefits of fast app switching and its freeze/unfreeze system of quickly launching apps. Stop being OCD.
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True, but shit like "Clock" or "Calculator" has no place in the fast-switch system.
Hell, sometimes I accidentally launch an app in the first place.

Too crowded with that mess. Some management is needed.
 
Buckethead said:
True, but shit like "Clock" or "Calculator" has no place in the fast-switch system.
Hell, sometimes I accidentally launch an app in the first place.

Too crowded with that mess. Some management is needed.
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of course it does if you were just using it and need to go back to it.

say if you were using calculator to get a partial sum to put into an email and then need to go back for the second part of the calc to paste in the email.

do you know how confusing it would be if some apps were arbitrarily left off from that sub dock?

leaving it as a basic recent apps list makes it predictable, at least
 
Buckethead said:
True, but shit like "Clock" or "Calculator" has no place in the fast-switch system.
Hell, sometimes I accidentally launch an app in the first place.

Too crowded with that mess. Some management is needed.
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I dunno, man. The whole idea is that if you don't use them that often, then them showing up in the list once in a while won't be a big deal. If you do, then you probably would appreciate some fast switching.

Maybe it's my 3g, but I hate having to wait for my calculator to load in the previous results and stuff.
 
It's a "recent apps" list, not a multitasking list. Leave that shit alone. When Clock can be dropped from memory, the phone will do it for you.

Trying to micromanage a recent apps list will never get you anywhere.
 
Naka said:
I can't tell what I think of the battery life on this phone yet. Maybe I'm using it more than I was my 3g or maybe now that I have a percentage meter I keep a closer eye on it. But I swear this thing feels like its draining pretty quick. I went down to 89% in an hour after a full charge with just doing some moderate texting in that hour.
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Uh 11% in an hour is amazing battery life. Leagues better than the old phones. It's iPad level battery life.

You guys are just using your phone more than you think and paying attention too much now. Chill.
 
Ran into a little problem with my iPhone and contact syncing. I have my contacts set up through Outlook 2007, and I prefer having the small pictures in the corner as opposed to the big background pic, so I have each contact file/vcard with an image of the person and then sync it to my iPhone. Well, I updated some of these pics by getting new pictures and saving them as the same file as the previous pic (have a contacts pics folder specifcally for this). After having just synced, the contacts that have the new pics don't display a pic at all now. The other contacts with the same pic stayed. Anyone know how to remedy this? Anything to do with overwriting the previous file with the new one?

edit: Simply removing the pic in Outlook, syncing, readding the pic, and syncing again solved the problem, in case anyone else runs into this specific problem.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's a "recent apps" list, not a multitasking list. Leave that shit alone. When Clock can be dropped from memory, the phone will do it for you.

Trying to micromanage a recent apps list will never get you anywhere.
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I prefer to micromanage. I don't want apps that I'm not currently using in there. It's clutter. On most arguments I'm on your side, but what's it matter to you how I use my phone?
 
Odious Tea said:
I prefer to micromanage. I don't want apps that I'm not currently using in there. It's clutter. On most arguments I'm on your side, but what's it matter to you how I use my phone?
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It doesn't matter to me. It's a recent apps list. I'd you want to hold and delete apps from a history list for no reason for the rest of the time you use this OS, go wild.

The list never ends dude. It goes on for every app you've ever opened, even if they have been dropped from memory. It's futility at its worst.

The homescreen hasn't changed and still works. Just use that. Apps will be where you left them.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's a "recent apps" list, not a multitasking list. Leave that shit alone. When Clock can be dropped from memory, the phone will do it for you.

Trying to micromanage a recent apps list will never get you anywhere.
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Seriously. I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
 
Question for those who may be using Bluetooth headphones:

It seems sometimes when I choose a new song or a new artist the song itself doesn't start right away and the first 5 seconds maybe are cut off. Anyone know a fix for this? I'm going to assume it's the headset but this doesn't happen when they're synced with my iMac.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Uh 11% in an hour is amazing battery life. Leagues better than the old phones. It's iPad level battery life.

You guys are just using your phone more than you think and paying attention too much now. Chill.
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I was using my phone a ton on Saturday where I was pretty much calling or on the internet for about 4 hours straight and even then I was able to get through Sunday without charging it.

I can't speak for the 3GS but that shit was impossible on the 3G.
 
Vyer said:
How do you do the theme title cards like that?
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Which part do you mean, exactly?

Edit: If you mean at the beginning, all you have to do is select the theme you want by clicking on the gear, then at the start of your video, double tap to customize it.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It doesn't matter to me. It's a recent apps list. I'd you want to hold and delete apps from a history list for no reason for the rest of the time you use this OS, go wild.

The list never ends dude. It goes on for every app you've ever opened, even if they have been dropped from memory. It's futility at its worst.

The homescreen hasn't changed and still works. Just use that. Apps will be where you left them.
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Exactly. And I don't want that. When I'm multitasking, I don't wanna have to swipe right more than once to get to what I need to get to.

As soon as a jailbreak is released, I'll probably be installing Remove Recents to see if that solves some functionality for me.
 
tHa_vIlLaMaN said:
Ok, I tried out iMovie for the first time using footage from my digital camera. The original wasn't HD, but it was high enough bitrate to make the video choppy when viewed on the 3GS.

It wasn't hard to do at all, and I can say I like the final result. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRhW22dvOHI
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Liked the video makes me want to buy iMovie now. Oh and u are pretty cute


iPhone 4 Video Sex Chat Services Already Staffing Up
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Someone suggested I use handbrake for convert avi to load to my iPhone 4. Question for me is will this take advantage of the new retina display (i.e. will my avi's be converted into the native iPhone 4 resolution)?
 
Charred Greyface said:
If you're going to give Apple a pass when they wait until they can get a feature "right" before it's implemented, then why are you lambasting developers who might want to do the same thing?
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I don't think I know what you mean, are you referring to me saying that I think app developers should be vocal, and that I only like to buy apps from developers that are? But Apple is not? I think an app developer should take as much time has they need to make an app well thought out and 'perfect', I don't understand why you think I said app developers should do a quick hack job, I said it was possible, and that was only in context to Marty saying that they made it too hard for App developers to implement quickly, and you agreeing. I said that they can do a quick job, but it is suboptimal. Obviously the right way is the preferred way.




Charred Greyface said:
I've got to laugh at the sentence in bold. I've heard defenses of Apple's OS before but this must be the first time I've seen someone argue that Apple actually gives more control to the user by their design choices. Anyway, the iOS doesn't use virtual memory so I'm not sure where all that theorizing is leading you... unless they taught you different meanings of 'control' and 'virtual memory' in computer school that the rest of us uninitiated don't know. If so, please enlighten me.
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Yeah, it does give more control, but a different type of control called 'responsiveness'. The reason I brought up virtual memory was because the multitasking that Marty was asking for is predicated on the system using virtual memory, or something very similar, and if neither of those are implemented then a very limited form that depending on the app's current memory allocation so maybe 2 or 3 apps can run which is up to the user (jailbreak multitask style).

Marty was asking why apple couldn't just implement save states(I assume he means to dump an exact image on the current app in ram to disk), which is pretty much what virtual memory is. (yes, paging and save states are technically different but have much more in common than Apples implementation)

So to sum up:
Developers can be lazy if they want and only technically recompile their app linking to the new SDK, but I wouldn't recommend it, and I am not interested in using apps from developers that would do that.
Apple's implementation of 'multitasking' is much more resource friendly than Marty's save-states and allows for an interesting change in human-computer interaction.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Uh 11% in an hour is amazing battery life. Leagues better than the old phones. It's iPad level battery life.

You guys are just using your phone more than you think and paying attention too much now. Chill.
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Wow, I must be getting absurd battery life then. When I checked my usage earlier that day, I had gotten 1 day 20 hours of standby and a little over 6 hours of actual usage since my last full charge and still had just under 20% battery life left.

Once, I fully charged my phone, went to the gym listening to Pandora. About 30-45 minutes into my workout, my battery was still showing 100%.

If I had to single out one thing I appreciate the most on the iPhone 4, it's the battery.
 
Are you people using the percentage by turning on the percentage in 'Settings' or just saying 'I had 100% after 45 mins of Pandora' just by looking at the battery icon? :P


cjelly said:
Does anybody elses battery life suck?

I'm beginning to get a little concerned.
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I had a 3GS at launch.. let me tell you.. my iPhone 4 blows it out of the water in battery life.

I went from Friday afternoon at 3pm until Sunday morning at 11am w/o recharging.. and I still had 12% left.. and I was playing around with it a ton.

I keep Bluetooth and Wifi always on as well..
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
I don't think I know what you mean, are you referring to me saying that I think app developers should be vocal, and that I only like to buy apps from developers that are? But Apple is not? I think an app developer should take as much time has they need to make an app well thought out and 'perfect', I don't understand why you think I said app developers should do a quick hack job, I said it was possible, and that was only in context to Marty saying that they made it too hard for App developers to implement quickly, and you agreeing. I said that they can do a quick job, but it is suboptimal. Obviously the right way is the preferred way.
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I never said it was too hard for app developers to implement quickly, I said the fact that they would have to do it period is the issue.

Marty was asking why apple couldn't just implement save states(I assume he means to dump an exact image on the current app in ram to disk), which is pretty much what virtual memory is. (yes, paging and save states are technically different but have much more in common than Apples implementation)

So to sum up:
Developers can be lazy if they want and only technically recompile their app linking to the new SDK, but I wouldn't recommend it, and I am not interested in using apps from developers that would do that.
Apple's implementation of 'multitasking' is much more resource friendly than Marty's save-states and allows for an interesting change in human-computer interaction.
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What I was saying is, why can't the behavior that is handled when you recompile an app without making any changes to it not be handled by the OS itself. If it simply is suspending the app but keeping it in memory until resources run out, I don't see why that couldn't have been handled by the OS instead of needing a recompile while more complicated methods would be have to be handled by the developer. Just a base functionality of multitasking handled at the OS level automatically so more or less all apps out the gate support a very basic level, but then for better usage then developers would need to take advantage of it.

Either way, you can't tell me that it isn't bad to some degree that multitasking is reliant on all apps needing to be updated and then submitted to Apple and then eventually pushed out to the store. It'll take time for all 250k apps to go through that process, not to mention there will be apps that don't get updated for a number of reasons (development has ceased, developer no longer exists, costs too much money to bother with, and so forth).
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Uh 11% in an hour is amazing battery life. Leagues better than the old phones. It's iPad level battery life.

You guys are just using your phone more than you think and paying attention too much now. Chill.
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I think it is actually the new brightness levels.

In my 3G I would have brightness at 1/4 or less and auto on

On the 4 I have to have it at like half with auto on and it is still very dark. Auto should make the battery life the same, especially as the screen is so much darker. Surely the lock screen (which runs at the brightness level chosen) can't run that much battery? :P
 
cjelly said:
I think it is actually the new brightness levels.

In my 3G I would have brightness at 1/4 or less and auto on

On the 4 I have to have it at like half with auto on and it is still very dark. Auto should make the battery life the same, especially as the screen is so much darker. Surely the lock screen (which runs at the brightness level chosen) can't run that much battery? :P
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Ya, the brightness with auto on was throwing me for a bit since it was so dark. I wonder why they changed the behavior when if you turn off auto brightness, all the brightness levels match up against the 3G. Is this an OS4 change or a new sensor change?
 
Here is my first attempt with iMovie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwrqCPsxIbg

My parent's just got a new condo and were doing some remodeling so I figured it was a good source to try out with iMovie. They were thoroughly impressed when I showed them and told them it was all done through my phone. Obviously since the YouTube clip is in 720p I exported it from the phone and uploaded via a computer.

I really hope they add more stuff to iMovie. It has a lot of potential.
 
Naka said:
Here is my first attempt with iMovie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwrqCPsxIbg

My parent's just got a new condo and were doing some remodeling so I figured it was a good source to try out with iMovie. They were thoroughly impressed when I showed them and told them it was all done through my phone. Obviously since the YouTube clip is in 720p I exported it from the phone and uploaded via a computer.

I really hope they add more stuff to iMovie. It has a lot of potential.
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Ya, I'm digging iMovie so far once I figured out how to use it. It was a bit unintuitive but after looking up some stuff, it's been pretty easy to make quick changes. Couple things I wish I could do was to tell the clip to shorten to the point in the timeline that I'm at since I find that I have to keep fine tuning it, and the ability to add text to still photos. Some more themes and more transitions hopefully will come in future updates.
 
Marty Chinn said:
Ya, I'm digging iMovie so far once I figured out how to use it. It was a bit unintuitive but after looking up some stuff, it's been pretty easy to make quick changes. Couple things I wish I could do was to tell the clip to shorten to the point in the timeline that I'm at since I find that I have to keep fine tuning it, and the ability to add text to still photos. Some more themes and more transitions hopefully will come in future updates.
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Couldn't agree more about the text to photos. I was trying to make a montage and have it open with a photo but couldnt get text to add to it. That need's to be patched in ASAP!
 
Been playing a ton of Tiger Woods lately...such a good game with plenty of upgradeables to keep me happy and playing.

Gun Range is a fun tech demo, but still not the most interesting game. Is it sad that I think the game would be so much better if I was shooting people instead of targets? :lol. There's just no satisfying feedback when I break a target at all.

Battery life has been treating me very well. Haven't come close to sapping this puppy yet on a day's charge, although it's always charging when it's in my car. Lucky it fits relatively well in my 3GS holder for my car, so I don't have to buy another one unless I really want to...can't landscape it because it seems to randomly disconnect, most likely due to wiggling when there's bumps and stuff, but totally useable in portrait.

I do hope they look to update the shutter speed and/or build in some kind of stability control, as any kind of movement by either you or the subject are really noticeable. For still shots it's great, but at the wedding I went to over the weekend I couldn't really get any good actions shots :(. Optical zoom would be clutch, but I assume that's a ways away.

Reception issue is not affecting any kind of use...I can't even recreate it anywhere except at my office building.

Very curious to hear what , if anything, Apple does to address the issue, though.
 
On Friday and Saturday I was having some serious battery issues. I went to sleep Friday night with 100%. Woke up Saturday morning with 78%.

I was going nuts and I even posted on here that the battery wasn't as good as my 3GS.

I restarted the phone, turned off auto-brightness and put the brightness right at 50%. I used the phone till it died then charged it to 100%

The phone must have worked its kinks out because now the battery is dominant. This morning I woke up with 25% battery after 27hrs since last charge.
 
Dropped my phone about 5 min ago. Slid off the desk when I was trying to pick it up, about 3 ft drop.

It landed flat on its back, tile floor. It survived unscathed; On the other hand, I shit my pants. I'm taking an hour lunch today to find a case, I don't care what it looks like. :lol
 
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