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Dreams-Visions
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that's odd. Handbrake has never given me problems with MKV's. but remember, MKV is a container, not a format. may be something up with the videos encoded within the MKV?Vai said:
not sure if anything else will give you the same level of quality.
Dreams-Visions
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"In CA, MA, and RI, sales tax is collected on the unbundled price of iPhone."neojubei said:
yep. will buy again out of state and get my fucking money back. this nice phone will stay in its shrink-wrap until then. fuck you, CA.
Marty Chinn
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RubxQub said:
So orient them the way its oriented so it corresponds to the volume meter. It's not that hard and clearly the phone knows which way it thinks its oriented because that's the way you are displaying the video. I don't see how its so out of sync where people would be so confused that pressing the volume that matches the direction of the meter is so beyond their grasp. It's not a big deal, but I'm surprised at the outcry. It's not an unreasonable thing to do, certainly not something to get flamed over.
Marty Chinn said:
What if the phone is held at a 45 degree angle, with volume up at the top left? Is pushing that now left for decrease, or up for increase? For sure, you could look at the screen to see which way the screen is oriented, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of a set of hardware controls?
What if you happen to be running, and the accelerometer is flipping around due to acceleration changes?
What about orientation lock? Will the volume changer be locked as well? What happens if you're clicking it and you change orientation of the device?
It's not that it's a non-interesting idea, but I think in execution it will cause more problems than it solves.
Likewise, I don't see where people are so confused with a button being fixed to what it is and requires reorientation to make sense.
And again, it's not you at all. I didn't even know you had started this point of discussion.
Marty Chinn
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Kano On The Phone said:
See that would be witty and smart maybe if it actually made sense. The difference here is that YouTube and videos do change the orientation so it's not completely unreasonable that it would change the button behavior. In fact, YouTube always defaults to a specific orientation which is opposite of the button functionality. It's only recently that you can look at it in portrait mode. Nice try and nice way to take a simple comment and try to make it like I kicked your mom or something.
Some really great ones posted in the GAF thread as well.Major Williams said:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398828
Marty Chinn
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mrkgoo said:
Orient it according to the screen. I didn't think it was that hard to understand. Why are you running and watching videos? It's not really about accelerometer related but more related how the display is showing. You just tie it to that. If your video is constantly flipping around, are you really watching it? I'm not talking about orienting volume all the time based on every possible use case, just things like video where you are in a landscape mode.
Look, this is being attacked like its some big issue. I was just curious if anyone else felt the same way, yet the replies come off far worse. Why is it so bad to question Apple among Apple fans?
Marty Chinn said:
No-one's attacking you. I just think it's a bad idea (until Apple actually does it hur hur), that is I don't feel the same way, and it has nothing to do with you. Go look in Macrumors from a couple weeks ago. I said the same thing there.
And again, tying it to the screen is damned annoying, because you never know whether your screen is necessarily orientation-locked, or where it's flipped to - having to look at the screen to use your hardware controls is counter-productive.
I had an iPod touch first gen, and it was a big problem with it. (yes I know it's not entirely the same).
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Also, you're not alone. People have thought of it, so some people do think it's a good idea (actually the macrumors thread had the guy proclaiming himself as a genius for coming up with it). I just happen to disagree with it. Maybe if it were an option, but then, we all know Apple aren't about options, right? What baffles me is the shake-to-shuffle, which is also beyond retarded.
anyway, my response from over three weeks ago:
lastly, it's not about not questioning Apple. Just now I questioned them about the usefulness of shake-to-shuffle.
Dreams-Visions
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hmmm.
yea, because I'm in CA I just paid $45 more in taxes than just about anywhere other state.
not gonna happen. I may just return it now and call it a day. re-buy it when I'm out of town later this week.
yea, because I'm in CA I just paid $45 more in taxes than just about anywhere other state.
not gonna happen. I may just return it now and call it a day. re-buy it when I'm out of town later this week.
SuperPac
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Marty Chinn said:
The way I look at it is this. It seems like a nice idea, just like being able to view *everything* on the iPhone in landscape view or type that way in every app seemed like a perfectly great idea when people wanted that. When it arrived, "No! Why does it keep switching when I'm laying down? I wish it wouldn't do that" etc. from a lot of people. iOS4 has that orientation lock and my wife was overjoyed. She's not the only one as plenty of people cheered when Apple announced that feature in iOS4.
OK so now take the orientation thing a step further and now not only is the screen rotating but the physical volume buttons reverse function depending on how you're holding the phone at that second. I could see that getting really effing annoying pretty quick. Again, seems fine as a concept. For me I'd rather always know how those buttons were going to function instead of having them orientation-based.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You need to get off of this conspiracy theory right now.Marty Chinn said:
Kano on the Phone
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Bro, Apple could make the volume buttons function exactly how Marty wants them to and he'd still be fucking confused about it. Read every one of his posts, they break down to one simple formula:SuperPac said:
The Marty Chinn Posting Template:
1) State product feature.
2) Ask why. This question doesn't need to be a valid concern.
3) Express deep confusion. (i.e. I don't get it, I don't understand, etc.)
4) Go on the defense!
There's no more or no less to it than that. Ever.
Leaked: Apples internal iPhone 4 antenna troubleshooting procedures
The antenna issues plaguing the iPhone 4 have infuriated many iPhone users (and rightfully so), but have you ever wondered how Apple is training its employees to deal with the fiasco? Well thanks to one of our Apple connects, we now know the exact procedures AppleCare reps must follow when dealing with any reception complaints regarding the iPhone 4. Hit the jump to check them out.
Clearly Apple is taking the position that nothing is wrong with the antenna, although thats not surprising since most companies will never willingly admit their flagship product is potentially suffering from an unfixable flaw. But does anyone else find it interesting, if not troubling, that there is no mention of an impending software fix?
The antenna issues plaguing the iPhone 4 have infuriated many iPhone users (and rightfully so), but have you ever wondered how Apple is training its employees to deal with the fiasco? Well thanks to one of our Apple connects, we now know the exact procedures AppleCare reps must follow when dealing with any reception complaints regarding the iPhone 4. Hit the jump to check them out.
- Keep all of the positioning statements in the BN handy your tone when delivering this information is important.
a. The iPhone 4s wireless performance is the best we have ever shipped. Our testing shows that iPhone 4s overall antenna performance is better than iPhone 3GS.
b. Gripping almost any mobile phone in certain places will reduce its reception. This is true of the iPhone 4, the iPhone 3GS, and many other phones we have tested. It is a fact of life in the wireless world.
c. If you are experiencing this on your iPhone 3GS, avoid covering the bottom-right side with your hand.
d. If you are experiencing this on your iPhone 4, avoid covering the black strip in the lower-left corner of the metal band.
e. The use of a case or Bumper that is made out of rubber or plastic may improve wireless performance by keeping your hand from directly covering these areas. - Do not perform warranty service. Use the positioning above for any customer questions or concerns.
- Dont forget YOU STILL NEED to probe and troubleshoot. If a customer calls about their reception while the phone is sitting on a table (not being held) it is not the metal band.
- ONLY escalate if the issue exists when the phone is not held AND you cannot resolve it.
- We ARE NOT appeasing customers with free bumpers DONT promise a free bumper to customers.
Clearly Apple is taking the position that nothing is wrong with the antenna, although thats not surprising since most companies will never willingly admit their flagship product is potentially suffering from an unfixable flaw. But does anyone else find it interesting, if not troubling, that there is no mention of an impending software fix?
Major Williams
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buy it from Walmart. I live in Sacramento, and my coworker paid tax on $199 making it $216ish.Dreams-Visions said:
VeryGooster
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So by way of magic, I've been holding the phone the way Apple is saying not to for the last 10 minutes and no bars are falling. Wasn't the case a few days ago...
Interesting.
Interesting.
SuperPac
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Charred Greyface said:
Undoubtedly The Internet(tm) was abusing this for free bumpers. Not surprised they're not offering them anymore.
In general, you shouldn't mention or promise something you can't deliver. If they said "yes a software fix is coming" but had not thoroughly tested said fix or wasn't sure if it could be resolved via software they'd only dig themselves into a deeper hole. How many months did Microsoft deny that the RRoD was a problem before a fix was offered up? (Free repairs etc.) A long-ass time. We're not even a week into the iPhone 4's release - let's give it some time.
Technosteve
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Can't wait to buy iphone 5 where all these first gen problems will be fixed =D =D =D =D
Dreams-Visions
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not in stock yet in the Burbank area.Major Williams said:
Of course some people will try to abuse it for free bumpers. But it's still possible to put a system in place that screens those people out. Or simply take the hit. Or maybe Apple should take a leaf from Nintendo's book, as many people have already suggested and be proactive about getting cases to people regardless of whether they've asked for them or not. But refusing to give cases to people at all?!SuperPac said:
It didn't take Apple this long to admit there was a problem with the WiFi on the iPad. Then everybody hunkered down and waited for fix (still waiting by the way). I'm worried by the way Apple is acting like this isn't a problem. If they can't deliver or even promise a fix (again like they did for the iPad) that's bad. I had planned to get an iPhone 4 today but now...SuperPac said:
Marty Chinn
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mrkgoo said:
Are you not seeing Kano's posts?
If you're watching a movie or watching YouTube, aren't you looking at the screen? I never said universal, I said in the case of watching video in landscape mode. You'd be looking at the screen.
I think that's fine that people disagree. I wasn't so hell bent on it. What bothers me is this notion that somehow it's an insane idea or that it's some sort of anti-Apple rhetoric. It was just something that caught my eye again while I was watching a YouTube video.
Shake-to-shuffle is an option though so I guess in theory it could be.
SuperPac said:
Maybe this is where the confusion lies. I don't want it in every landscape view. I don't want it in every mode. I just thought it would be nice in the case of YouTube and videos where it would seem more natural. I agree about the orientation lock which I was ecstatic about when it finally happened. Isn't it limited to portrait mode though? Fine for me but I can imagine others would want it in landscape. I can see the argument that limiting it to only to specific modes may confuse some people, but there's definitely cases where there is different behavior depending on the condition on the iPhone so it wouldn't be unprecedented. It just catches my eye mostly when I play videos.
It's not a deal breaker or anything; I was mostly just curious if anyone else felt that way and clearly some people do. I'm just surprised people are arguing over it so adamantly where as I don't care nowhere near that much about it.
Sigh...
Yet another product designed to mock and strike down left-handed people. Not surprised on Apple's arrogant stance on this neither. Such a glaring overlook on a product of this magnitude. If bought this and experienced this problem it would be returned immediately. I have done this too many times already.
Yet another product designed to mock and strike down left-handed people. Not surprised on Apple's arrogant stance on this neither. Such a glaring overlook on a product of this magnitude. If bought this and experienced this problem it would be returned immediately. I have done this too many times already.
Maybe I'm too lenient. Try to not take it too personally (I guess it's hard to do so when people start talking about you as if you weren't here. Which you're not, I guess, sicne this is the internetMarty Chinn said:
)I don't think anyone is saying it's anti-Apple rhetoric. I don't know why you think that everything we say is taken as if it were trying to defend some attack on Apple. We just think it's an insane idea
but who knows, I also think the shake-to-shuffle is insane. Obviously, if there were some way to implement such an automatic turning with really smart algoithms, it could be good. But they have to be REALLY smart. Like bordering on precognition on the iPhones part.
For example, no-one would've thought that a complete touch screen keyboard could be executed well, but Apple did pretty damned fine job (not perfect), by implementing predictive touch zones and predictive tying (not predictive spelling which most other systems use). It was a very smart thing to do. If super smart algorithms were introduced to make the volume control really smart to know when to switch, and NOT just based on orientation of the device and screen, then it MIGHT work, but I think it's overkill for a problem that basically doesn't exist.
Seriously though, am I the only person that thinks Jobs has a point? If you buy a cellphone that has an antenna, do you cover the ONE portion on the phone where the antennae is and then complain there is a problem? You have to place your palm FIRMLY covering that bottom portion. Why not relax your hand so it is just over the edge at that portion? It isn't like you can't hold the phone ANYWHERE, you have to hold it in one 'specific' position. I seriously think this thing is being blown out of proportion to the point where people say the phone has "reception" problems. They are right in that there aren't reception problems (my calls have never dropped because of this, regardless of which hand I hold it, because I never grip my phone in this "death grip", my hand is naturally relaxed). There are reception problems if you cover a *tiny* antennae portion, which is proven to exist on all phones.
BboyDubC said:
The point is, you don't place the spot in a retarded spot which people are likely (left handed people extremely likely) to hold. Most phones have the antenna placed in areas where you have to hold the phone especially awkwardly to have the negative affect on reception. The Evo 4G's for example is on the top of the rear in such a way that you would never really hold it in the given position. Even then, the signal will lessen, not drop. With the iPhone 4, the reason it's so damning is because the signal drops altogether.
notsureifserious.jpgBboyDubC said:
The problem isn't that it happens, it's that it was designed in a place where a large portion of the population would naturally hold their phone.
Granted, I haven't had a call actually drop yet and I'm wondering if the 'no reception issue', answer is more tied to the phone misrepresenting the signal strength; but still, it's a dumb problem though.
In any case, I'm still enjoying it and everything else about it is damn impressive.
BboyDubC said:
From what I've seen of the youtube videos (there's one where someone simply places a key across the indicated gap to bridge the two antennas and doesn't have their hand anywhere near the phone) this doesn't seem to be a signal attenuation issue with regard to someone's hand being near the phone and blocking RF, it has to do with shorting the two antennas together. This corrupts the antenna either by shorting it through your body to ground (I'd find that part unlikely) or because the effective length of the antenna has now changed causing it to not be resonant with the wavelength it's supposed to be seeing (add on top of that if the antenna you're shorting it to is powered because you also have that one on). This is also the acting theory when I ask some of my RF engineer colleagues at work (I'm not as well versed in antenna lore as some of them).
Other phones DO NOT have this issue because even though they may get signal attenuation from your hand being around the area of the antenna, their antennas are not on the outside of the phone and subject to shorting to another antenna due to your grip. If it's humid, or your hands are somewhat sweaty, or your body simply has a lower electrical impedance than your friend down the street with an iPhone4 would explain why some people see it occur and others don't.
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hmm. jailbreaked (jailbroke?) my iphone 3G and it's suddenly like I have a new phone in that all the other OS4 features have been enabled. I haven't even touched Cydia yet.
if my battery life doesn't suddenly go to the dogs, I might end up just sticking with this for another year. iPads are looking more and more tempting. I'll wait and see what's introduced in iPad OS4.
if my battery life doesn't suddenly go to the dogs, I might end up just sticking with this for another year. iPads are looking more and more tempting. I'll wait and see what's introduced in iPad OS4.
The thing is, do you know how MINOR of an adjustment you can make with the fat of your palm to avoid that? Seriously, it isn't even like you have to move your whole hand away, just slightly relax your grip instead of such a firm grasp. Apparently the 3GS has the same issue on the right side, but nobody ever noticed it or made anything about it. I think it is purely because they told everyone the metal is the antennae, that people would naturally look for reason to verify whether the design was "right" or "wrong". And this is coming from a die-hard age-long apple hater, who only ever bought the 3G because apple finally made a convincing product. I'm just saying that I can actually see this from Apple's perspective.
The_Inquisitor
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teiresias said:
Yep exactly.
Damn it. If I try to use this thing for anything but making calls the battery is just shot. Despite only using it to send a few (5-6?) text messages the battery has drained from 35% to 20% in the past few hours. Just unbelievable. i don't get it either, because just Friday I was able to play "I Dig It" for several hours without draining the battery. Now if I just try to send a few texts throughout the day and play some simple games for a couple hours the battery just doesn't hold up.
FUCK I dropped my phone this morning.
Was in best buy last night looking for a case but what they had in stock was shitty. I was about to pick up this sleeve thing but I was like 'eh, I'll save the 25 bucks and wait till I get one I like'.
And of course this morning I drop it like barely 2 feet on to the concrete. :lol
Got three little nicks on the rim around the back. shit. Luckily nothing major on the glass.
I'm finding a case ASAP.
Just so you know, the Apple store nearest me had iphones in stock for replacement units. If you were waiting thinking no one would have one to replace for a while, that might not be the case. Just FYI
Was in best buy last night looking for a case but what they had in stock was shitty. I was about to pick up this sleeve thing but I was like 'eh, I'll save the 25 bucks and wait till I get one I like'.
And of course this morning I drop it like barely 2 feet on to the concrete. :lol
Got three little nicks on the rim around the back. shit. Luckily nothing major on the glass.
I'm finding a case ASAP.
Seth C said:
Just so you know, the Apple store nearest me had iphones in stock for replacement units. If you were waiting thinking no one would have one to replace for a while, that might not be the case. Just FYI
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I know, I know. :lolburgerdog said:
I'm trying to be financially responsible, but you know, it ain't easy when I see shiny new iPhone 4s. In the end it will come down to the Australian pricing plans, which haven't been announced yet.
I didn't really want to ask this question in the antenna thread (there seems to be a lot of hate in there), and I don't want to derail this thread by asking here. I live in Australia and the iPhone 4 shoudl be coming out at the end of July, and I really want to get one, but the antenna issues and magnifications do raise some flags. A lot of you guys posting here have the iPhone 4 so I wanted to know:
1. Is the problem as severe as everybody is saying it is?
2. Can it be fixed using an Apple bumper or another case?
I don't want to derail the thread into an argument, so just some impressions from those of you that have the phone would be great :]
1. Is the problem as severe as everybody is saying it is?
2. Can it be fixed using an Apple bumper or another case?
I don't want to derail the thread into an argument, so just some impressions from those of you that have the phone would be great :]
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