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The Killing - The fourth and final season - Exclusively on Netflix

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Episode 1 editing error (I think)
At the 55:40 mark, Linden is looking out a window. In the lower left quadrant of the screen, you can see some dude's reflection in the window. I'm guessing it's a production error, but I guess there's a longshot that it could be someone actually hiding outside
 
ThLunarian said:
Episode 1 editing error (I think)
At the 55:40 mark, Linden is looking out a window. In the lower left quadrant of the screen, you can see some dude's reflection in the window. I'm guessing it's a production error, but I guess there's a longshot that it could be someone actually hiding outside
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Something that bugged me in the last episode actually
They claimed the piano strings had been cut long ago, even if it was a lie, they show kyle playing the piano after the murders....How is this possible? The strings being cut long ago wasn't just a point he mentioned, it was also something they discovered when they went to dust for prints - that they had been cut LONG ago and it was dusty inside
 
ThLunarian said:
Episode 1 editing error (I think)
At the 55:40 mark, Linden is looking out a window. In the lower left quadrant of the screen, you can see some dude's reflection in the window. I'm guessing it's a production error, but I guess there's a longshot that it could be someone actually hiding outside
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I believe that was just stress for Linden and meant to be seen.
 
Pretty solid first episode. Loved it when
Holder flicked his cigarette at that douche's head.
lol I need a gif of that. Holder is amazing.

Doffen said:
Episode 1 done.
Linden is beyond annoying.
Can we have one scene whiteout her breaking down?
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(episode one)
She killed her boyfriend after having just discovered that he was a serial killer of teenage girls. How should she be reacting to that?
 
Finished it. Pretty decent.

Saw it all coming though ... minus a few little things here and there.

didn't see the mayor coming back. figured the army lady was his mom half way through. figured the kid did kill his parents and the other 2 lackeys killed his sisters ... so i was surprised that he killed all of em. good closure though. the whole i love you don't leave thing didn't need to happen though.
 
The part with the family photos at the end of the fifth episode is really disturbing. I guess
some cadets in the military really enjoy seeing teen boys masturbate over the picture of their mother. Not gay at all.
 
Finished the whole thing. I enjoyed it a lot overall and I think a 6 episodes season really helped the show. It prevented them from stalling the plot and having to stretch the plot with red herrings unlike S1-S2.

I'm not a fan of the ending though. Especially for a dark show like this one.
Linden gets away with the murder because the Mayor wants to cover up that a Lt Detective was a child killer. Some years late Holder's now teaching in a church/youth center and he's now divorced from Caroline and has shared custody of their daughter. Linden arrives after her road trip to tell him she loves him.
I think I'll post my feelings and flesh it a bit more later because I have to leave for work.
 
See, I thought the ending was really well-judged.

I felt that Linden deserved a shot at happiness after the unrelenting misery she'd been put through, and there was no grand romantic gesture - indeed, the idea that their relationship could be more than a good friendship is only hinted at. She just said she felt like her time as a detective with Holder was her 'home'. There was no real declaration of love, just that she felt at her best when they were doing that (and it was kind of her way of apologising to Holder for pointing a gun at him and accusing him of taking the shell casing).

Quite apart from that, the mayor returning was a nice surprise, and while I thought it was going to be a cheap get-out-of-jail-free card, the scene made it clear that Richmond would rather have had her rot in prison, while Linden was far from happy that the real killer wasn't being recognised as such, while Joe Mills ended up serving time for a load of crimes he didn't commit. It certainly didn't feel like a moment of triumph. It felt that Linden would rather have been imprisoned and for Skinner's crimes to be acknowledged.

Tl;dr it was (kind of) a happy ending but not a sentimental one, and I think the show earned it. In some respects, it might have been better finishing after "Linden...bye" but I'm actually glad it didn't.
 
RatskyWatsky said:
(episode one)
She killed her boyfriend after having just discovered that he was a serial killer of teenage girls. How should she be reacting to that?
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I'm not saying I don't appreciate the acting, I'm just more a fan of making the case the main character.
 
Hero of Canton said:
See, I thought the ending was really well-judged.

I felt that Linden deserved a shot at happiness after the unrelenting misery she'd been put through, and there was no grand romantic gesture - indeed, the idea that their relationship could be more than a good friendship is only hinted at. She just said she felt like her time as a detective with Holder was her 'home'. There was no real declaration of love, just that she felt at her best when they were doing that (and it was kind of her way of apologising to Holder for pointing a gun at him and accusing him of taking the shell casing).

Quite apart from that, the mayor returning was a nice surprise, and while I thought it was going to be a cheap get-out-of-jail-free card, the scene made it clear that Richmond would rather have had her rot in prison, while Linden was far from happy that the real killer wasn't being recognised as such, while Joe Mills ended up serving time for a load of crimes he didn't commit. It certainly didn't feel like a moment of triumph. It felt that Linden would rather have been imprisoned and for Skinner's crimes to be acknowledged.

Tl;dr it was (kind of) a happy ending but not a sentimental one, and I think the show earned it. In some respects, it might have been better finishing after "Linden...bye" but I'm actually glad it didn't.
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I agree.
The ending finally brought some fucking sunshine. If anything, the ending hints at something further - The Killing movie perhaps??!!! Just getting my hopes up, LOL.

Yeah it was great to see the mayor - nice fan service. I wasn't too crazy about the cadet academy main story though. It wasn't as compelling as the Rosie Larsen mystery and the dysfunctional working class family or the Seattle street kids and the death row inmate. One of the reasons I like The Killing is the regional aspect, but the academy could have been anywhere, USA.
Anyway, Holder's GF is hot.
 
Episode 2:
First red herring I'm calling it, it's not the artist. Holder owning the fools captain america fell victim to yet another holderism. Holder ex partner is getting close and proving to be a good detective. Linden is getting a bit psycho isn't she, that creepy ass shot of her spying Skinner Daughter damn.
 
Just finished watching all the episodes. That was really good. The last 20 minutes were very Killing-esque. Very moody. Atmospheric. Lots of nice shots. The music was nice I thought as well. As for details....

Nothing beats a classic shipper's moment when it developed naturally and wasn't teased and forced down your throat every single week like other shows. I felt it was natural and deserved for both characters. Love them together as friends to the point where I'm glad they can explore it to see if there's something more there. Why walk away from the one thing you felt good about when you don't have much left. That was really nice. I don't think there was any overly cheesy declaration of love there. It was simply stating the truth and something we saw as the show went on. Both characters seemed to be at their best when they were together shooting the shit without all the other stuff in the way. That's something worth keeping and exploring. Not everything has to be cheesy. And for a show as dark as this, it feels earned. There can't always be darkness and misery and bleakness.

As for the murder mystery. It was as dark as you'd expect from this show. Some nice twists. It was nice. I also liked the tie ins with the girls mom and the mayor. That was nice too. Overall I don't think it could have gone any better.
They nailed the final 6 episodes IMO. I can't think of what should have been different that would have actually made anything better.

Good job. Better late than never. Bless netflix.
 
I must admit that all these "fucks" are starting to grate on me. It's just weird that all of a sudden these characters are allowed to use hard language after three years of not being able to do so (thanks Netflix!). It's just an odd inconsistency that's bugging me.

Episode 3 -
That scene between Kaylee, Holder, his sister and her kids was really hard to watch,
as was the (episode 4)
slap fight hazing scene.

teruterubozu said:
Start of ep.3 -
Linden is completely bonkers! Can't believe she tried to hit & run that girl. She's pure evil now!
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That was a totally bizarre scene and I'm not quite sure if (ep3)
she was really trying to run over her or not. But if not, then what was she trying to do? Maybe she just zoned out and didn't realize what she was doing...?
 
At first I thought 6 episodes would be too short, but
you could see the writers started struggling to fill them out. Episodes 5 & 6 had really weak "dream sequence" intros - when the cadet dreams of his sister and when Linden dreams of the pinwheel - they snap awake and oh noes! Holder's relapse also made little sense, plus we all went through this in previous seasons. The sudden appearance of Linden's mom was also kinda shoehorned in. I love this show so much and would love to see it continue, but I also see that there's really not much more that can be added to this story.
It was a good run.
 
episode 3:
Linden and Holder are loosing their minds? About the case I think the real killer is the colonel the headmaster of the school...
 
Just finished the last episode (was to late to watch it yesterday after having seen the previous three episodes). First of all, if anyone from Netflix is reading this... thank you for picking it up and finish it off with dignity.

And the last season was good, I liked it, even though the case itself wasn't as engrossing as the previous two. Six episodes was a pretty good length. Sad to see the show and characters go...
 
Yeah, I could tell maybe once or twice in the first season that it seemed slightly off, so it didn't surprise me that he wasn't American, but I actually was thinking about that during S4, he sounds completely natural.
 
Hey, I was sort of hoping to get into a crime show now that True Detective and Hannibal have finished their respective seasons. I really hate procedural case of the week shows so I pretty much stay away from anything else in that genre. But I love the atmosphere and overarching story of True Detective and Hannibal, as well as the tone in films like Zodiac and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.

Is this show similar? It looks like it has a similar atmosphere.
 
Ape Gone Insane said:
Hey, I was sort of hoping to get into a crime show now that True Detective and Hannibal have finished their respective seasons. I really hate procedural case of the week shows so I pretty much stay away from anything else in that genre. But I love the atmosphere and overarching story of True Detective and Hannibal, as well as the tone in films like Zodiac and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.

Is this show similar? It looks like it has a similar atmosphere.
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yeah give it a go. You'll probably like it. It does get annoying with red herrings and fakeouts early on but the show gets better as seasons go on and imo the final season was as good as can be.

No harm in watching yo.
 
Ape Gone Insane said:
Hey, I was sort of hoping to get into a crime show now that True Detective and Hannibal have finished their respective seasons. I really hate procedural case of the week shows so I pretty much stay away from anything else in that genre. But I love the atmosphere and overarching story of True Detective and Hannibal, as well as the tone in films like Zodiac and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.

Is this show similar? It looks like it has a similar atmosphere.
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The Killing has an excellent atmosphere, for sure. The acting is also exceptional throughout the series.

They deal with one murder case across the first two seasons (although there are quite a lot of red herrings that lead nowhere as a result of stretching out the case across two seasons), one serial killer case in the third season, and then one more murder case in the fourth. It's definitely not a case of the week type show, that's for sure.
 
Ape Gone Insane said:
Hey, I was sort of hoping to get into a crime show now that True Detective and Hannibal have finished their respective seasons. I really hate procedural case of the week shows so I pretty much stay away from anything else in that genre. But I love the atmosphere and overarching story of True Detective and Hannibal, as well as the tone in films like Zodiac and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.

Is this show similar? It looks like it has a similar atmosphere.
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The Killing is based on the Danish show Forbrydelsen and its very much rooted in "Nordic Noir", even though it takes place in Seattle. In fact, The Killing (US version) got me into Wallander - both the Scandinavian and English versions, and other dark shows like Top of The Lake.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
yeah give it a go. You'll probably like it. It does get annoying with red herrings and fakeouts early on but the show gets better as seasons go on and imo the final season was as good as can be.

No harm in watching yo.
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RatskyWatsky said:
The Killing has an excellent atmosphere, for sure. The acting is also exceptional throughout the series.

They deal with one murder case across the first two seasons (although there are quite a lot of red herrings that lead nowhere as a result of stretching out the case across two seasons), one serial killer case in the third season, and then one more murder case in the fourth. It's definitely not a case of the week type show, that's for sure.
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teruterubozu said:
The Killing is based on the Danish show Forbrydelsen and its very much rooted in "Nordic Noir", even though it takes place in Seattle. In fact, The Killing (US version) got me into Wallander - both the Scandinavian and English versions, and other dark shows like Top of The Lake.
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Thanks for the replies. I'll check it out then.
 
Just finished the whole thing.

Army boy's story was solid even though it got a little over the top at the end.
I'm talking about the chase through the woods and the hazing.

Holder/Linden's story was also very good.
I liked how things were falling apart at the middle, but evened out a bit by the end. I almost felt like Netflix would change plans at and add another season, because this was so well done.

Those two characters were so good. I want some more. :(
 
Just finished the season. I thought it was pretty good. The two best parts of the series, the atmosphere and the acting, remained very strong (despite some weak performances from some of the younger cast members), but the murder case was also well done and I definitely didn't see it playing out the way it did. Episode 6 -
I mean, I saw Kyle being Margaret's son from a mile away, and, of course, I suspected that Kyle might've actually done it (as I suspected everyone at one point or other), but I didn't see AJ and Lincoln as witnesses to the crime and I didn't suspect that Margaret was knowledgeable of the entire thing and was trying to cover it up the whole time.

Also, I can't decide if the final moments of the episode incorporating/mimicking the opening credits is a good thing or bad thing. It was kind of cool but also sort of hokey.

Vamphuntr said:
The part with the family photos at the end of the fifth episode is really disturbing. I guess
some cadets in the military really enjoy seeing teen boys masturbate over the picture of their mother. Not gay at all.
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Episode 5 -
Agreed. The "masturbate over/on a picture of your mother while everyone watches" hazing thing was really strange. I mean, I get what they were going for, but it just came off as too over the top.

TheYanger said:
So, theories (spoiler tagged but it's just me guessing):
Carl MIGHT realize Linden killed him but won't rat her out if he does - cops don't rat out cops, he's the one who was saying it before.
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teruterubozu said:
(episode 2 speculation)
Plus Carl won't want to rat out his buddy Holder too, since Holder's an accomplice.
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Episode 6 -
Welp...

littlegrasshopper said:
(episode 6)
It was great seeing those small cameos from Kaley's mom and the Mayor. The mayor cameo really caught me off guard. I was like holy shit I completely forgot about you lol. Every time Holder cursed I couldn't stop cracking up. "Eat the fucking muffin." lol.
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Episodes 5 and 6
Agreed. It was cool to see Kallie's mom again. I like that they didn't forget that she was still waiting to hear about her daughter. I unfortunately noticed Billy Campbell's name in the opening credits of the final episode so I knew he was going to pop up eventually. Still, I thought it was fun to see him again too.

Macattk15 said:
Episode 6 -
the whole i love you don't leave thing didn't need to happen though.
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Episode 6 -
Yeah...

I'm not sure if it was meant to be open to interpretation or if they were actually definitively setting up a romance between those two, but I really hope it's the former because I never at any point thought Linden and Holder should be together or that they had any sort of romantic/sexual chemistry with each other.

The two leads ending up together is such a cliche (and one that barely even works here) that I'm choosing to believe that they're just really good friends :)

And that kind of happy ending I'm okay with.

Vamphuntr said:
I think a 6 episodes season really helped the show. It prevented them from stalling the plot and having to stretch the plot with red herrings unlike S1-S2.
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Same. I think 6 episodes is the perfect length for a show like this. A shorter season allowed for them to tell a much tighter story and what little red herrings they did have actually ended up filling in important backstory for some the characters, so they weren't just pointless filler.

I also think the all at once release schedule really behooved them - these sorts of shows are just meant to be binged.
 
I can't remember if it's episode one or two,
but that moment when that asshole kid called Holder Slim Shady and that whiggers had died out 10 years ago, was too funny and sad and aggrevating. It was a weird sense of emotion. I was so glad when he flicked the card at his face.
:p
 
It was better than last season, but season one is still King.
 
St3v3 said:
It was better than last season, but season one is still King.
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King of annoyance, sure. I feel like the characters are amazing, but the plot points that they're put in are not. Season one was frustrating, season two cleaned some of that, season three did everything right except for the last moments, yet four actually recovered really well from that left turn.
 
hateradio said:
I can't remember if it's episode one or two,
but that moment when that asshole kid called Holder Slim Shady and that whiggers had died out 10 years ago, was too funny and sad and aggrevating. It was a weird sense of emotion. I was so glad when he flicked the card at his face.
:p
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He actually
flicked the lit cigarette at his face ;) even better
 
That is better.
He deserved it.

Finale:
I didn't expect the two guys to get murdered. I still think that was the wrong move.
 
Finish it
Damn kid had a psycho mode in him, fool me good I always thought was the Colonel. Linden pointing the gun to Holder make no sense at that point, but would make sense in other moment. Cover up forcing a happy ending for Linden and Holder, i'm good with it, but if went the other way around would make more sense. When Linden finally decided to leave the sun show up, signalling better days ahead. Holder father so sweet, but no surprise that his marriage didn't work. The best Holderism made a return for the finale. They end up together, ok then no problem. Wrapping up, I love the ending even if doesn't really feel right for the story, they deserve a happy ending after being surrounded for so much pain.
 
What a piece of shit ending that was.

They spent the entire season up to the last 30 minutes creating these monsters, making you really despise everything about Holder but especially Linden and then do a 180 and have this cookie cutter everything-turns-out-fine garbage ending. I'm fed up with shows that only cares about the main characters, where no matter what they do they'll turn out fine because that's in line with people's expectations. She killed a man cold-blooded and they sent another one, presumably, to death row, and there's no consequences for that because of a out-of-place cameo from Billy Campbell?

Now, the ending to season 3 was out of character but up to the season 4 finale they made the best of efforts to recover from that just to throw it all away in what felt like a last minute change of an ending to scratch some psychotic itch of the audience. I mean, how sick of human being must you be in order to be satisfied with them getting off the hock? How can you possibly still like these guys when the writers did nothing but denigrate these characters in pretty much every scene they were in?

Alright, I might be a little bit too harsh on Holder, after all, he's like that village idiot that can't say no and does stupid shit in exchange for approval. But Linden, she's a rotten despicable human being.
 
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