Garrett Hawke
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except this is not the case - it runs like crap in the 4k mode.
omg.
it's o n e g a m e f r o m a d e v w i t h a h i s t o r y o f t e c h i s s u e s
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The Last Guardian PS4 vs PS4 Pro Graphics Comparison + Frame-Rate Test
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omg.
it's o n e g a m e f r o m a d e v w i t h a h i s t o r y o f t e c h i s s u e s
Shikamaru Ninja
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Let's be real. The core programming team never delivered a smooth beautiful game prior, why should we expect any different. I'm definitely doing 4K mode.
GrandHarrier
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Because they've been working on it for like... 10 years? Hopefully they'd learn to suck less at it?
Bamboo 竹
Member
Looks like we are getting forced to buy a Pro to enjoy some ganes as it should from the behining.
I wonder what would be the scenario if the Pro never existed.
I wonder what would be the scenario if the Pro never existed.
Garrett Hawke
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Bamboo 竹;226053869 said:
the scenario would be that the last guardian would still run at 20fps and there would be no way to experience it any differently.
Hmm I'm getting a Pro next week so I think I'll just hold out tight.
The game realeses later in UK this Friday anyway.
Yes let's throw the baby out with the bath water lol.
Relax, those games could all be well optimised for base PS4 and team Ico is just an outlier.
It would be the same. Again Team Ico games are not known for supreme technical quality with frame rate.
The game realeses later in UK this Friday anyway.
Yes let's throw the baby out with the bath water lol.
Relax, those games could all be well optimised for base PS4 and team Ico is just an outlier.
Bamboo 竹;226053869 said:
It would be the same. Again Team Ico games are not known for supreme technical quality with frame rate.
Goose_Se7en
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There's this notion that Team Ico or w.e. is left of it has been slaving away for the past 9-10 years on this title and that couldn't be further from the truth. I'd love to be a fly on the walls of this dev to find out exactly what happened with this game.
Clearly they couldn't get a grasp of the PS3 architecture. I'm willing to bet dollars to doughnuts this game was started, stopped and started again.
I'm just glad for this title that it exists. I'd be hella pissed if I was a Base PS4 owner and got the an inferior version, but the "nice" side of me is just grateful that come tomorrow I can play Ueda's game.
As I just noted, ICO is completely consistent.
Wasn't ICO originally a PS1 game? That PS2 frame butter definitely helped there too I'd imagine, lots of 60fps on PS2 from what I remember. I smell a DF Retro episode coming up!
The Dear Leader
Banned
Trico should have ate some of that frame butter.
Bamboo 竹;226053869 said:
It would run as it runs right now on the original PS4 and that would be the only to play it.
They struggled so much to finish development and polish bugs (with a further last delay from October to December) that it's not like they had the time to put particular effort on the Pro either. It's just that an overclocked CPU and more than double the GPU power obviously make a difference even if they're just brute forcing the code.
manzo
Member
The reason why this "supposed" PS3 game never released on PS3 was the reason that they never managed to get it running at playable framerates on a PS3.
20-25fps were quite the norm during PS3 and 360 era and I never gave a damn, the games were just fine back then.
But I can understand that other favour a stable framerate, I care more about a good IQ. Framepacing problems? I don't care. Low framerate? I don't care. That's why I bought a Pro: to get supersampling. Now both TLoU and TLG removed that option from us 1080p owners, which fucking pisses me off to no end.
Now this is a REALLY good idea. Could you check this out? I'd be ready to spend extra on this setup if it works well enough.
Goose_Se7en
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Shikamaru Ninja
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ICO is definitely the smoother game compared to SOTC. I still found both games rather ugly. Artistic and inspiring sure, but still a bit drab and bleh.
Jasper Avenue
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Gonna have to wait until I get a Pro to play this.
Melchiah
Member
I'd definitely be interested to hear how that would work.
Dr. Zombutler
Member
I feel like I'm slow or something for watching that video and thinking that the PS4 base model looks perfectly playable. Obviously 22 is not as good as 30, but I'm kind of surprised at how many people are legitimately opting to not play this game because it looks "unplayable".
spookytapes
Neo Member
I'm going to play it in 4K mode and wash it all down with a big jug of haters tears.
Okami Haundo
Member
Unpopular opinion time! I just watched the Frame-Rate test and wasn't all that bothered by the OG PS4 footage. I see the difference when the footage is side-by-side, but nothing there makes me want to hold off on the game or get a PS4 Pro. To each his/her own I guess?
Harmondale
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Starting to regret the cheap bastard inside me that picked up a slim for almost half the Price of a pro during BF, when I know this is just the beginning
Believe we Will get plenty of locked 30fps pro versions with regular ps4 between 20-30. Was better Before the pro was released
Believe we Will get plenty of locked 30fps pro versions with regular ps4 between 20-30. Was better Before the pro was released
This is why I bought a Pro. I don't really expect it to get a ton of enhanced visuals or much 4K support. I just want the extra power to ensure a smooth 1080p experience. It should deliver visually ambitious games locked at 30 for or less visually ambitious games locked at 60.
900p wouldn't fix it
if somehow they're able to push much higher resolution with how much extra power PS4Pro gives yet only get base PS4 Performance tells me something else is fucking it all up.
if they're getting 3380x1900 with PS4 pro then it should be running better even on Base Ps4 and should be running a hell of alot better on 1080p PS4Pro
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Tbh. I don't see this game getting to a point where the frame rate is acceptable on PS4. Maybe if they drop the resolution, if it's not the CPU's fault, which looks like it might be.
It's sad, really. Now we know they weren't lying about performance problems all these years.
You cannot play this game on a PS3, therefore, not a PS3 game
If you buy something called the HD Fury HD Linker (which is expensive at $200) you can spoof the EDID and output 4K from the Pro which can be downscaled to 1080p. It also decrypts HDCP 2.2 bringing it down to 1.4. So it's a neat, useful device but expensive. Not sure if there is a cheaper downscaler solution. I'll look into it.Can you explain this a little bit further? I'm interested on this
This would allow you to downscale everything including the system UI.
Booker.DeWitt
Member
changes of this get a patch for the regular Ps4? not sure if I wait for a patched version or just play right away
Lion Heart
Banned
Disagree, PS4 version would be identical with or without the Pro. Lots of games had framedrops before the Pro came out. People build the Base version and then scale that to the Pro not the other way around.
Anyway, if someone has a way to force 4k on this let me know, I want the downsampled version, a few fps drops is laughable compared to what you get.
There's a lot of things a PS4 will never be, and a PS2 is one of them. I think Kaz said this recently
I don't think so. Most devs will not release a 20-25fps game no matter what. Team ICO seems to be kind of an excepcion.
FFXV runs good on OG PS4, for example, where everyone was thinking it would be a mess.
professor denim
Member
Agree. The frame rate killed my enjoyment of SoC on ps2. Wont get Last Guardian till i hear things are smoother.
pepone1234
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Garrett Hawke
Member
i don't know why you think development hell is likely to make a game be better
Wow, interesting! I didn't know.
$200 is very expensive but if there is a cheaper device...
If Sony can not do a firmware update or give choices to the user, this could be a solution..
If this works, I'd be interested to compare the quality of the downsampling coming from the HD Fury vs games that do it in natively in software. I have no idea if they would be the exact same or not. Not super up on the technology involved. If it works and the quality is just as good, then yeah that might be an expensive solution to 1080p owners if more and more games lock them out from the 4k mode IQ improvements.
Well low framerate is not that bad to just watch. Looks ok usually
Playing at 2/3 of the intended framerate however directly affects the controls and yes it can drastically alter the gameplay making it harder do perform actions etc
Garrett Hawke
Member
sony should just update the console to let you output a downscaled 4k tbh. would be so much simpler.
bananafactory
Banned
This is a bad reason to buy a pro considering most games force you to use the 'pro mode' and don't offer a simple high performance 1080p mode like this
Quality is fantastic. It's a very good device, no doubt.
It would provide you the best quality picture on a 1080p display but, again, that's a lot of money for something that the Pro should being doing by itself.
And it runs at a locked 30 on the pro in 1080p? Yes you can argue it's one game from a developer with technical issues, but Sony still allowed it to pass cert.
Garrett Hawke
Member
i know you've mentioned in other threads that you've tried contacting developers about specific issues before but had trouble reaching japanese developers - does sony fall under that? it would be great if there was some way to demonstrate that there is interest in having the console have a 4k->1080p mode.
console cert is more focused on system and software stability than framerate or anything like that, which is how you get games like lichdom: battlemage.
We can always suggest things but I don't really think they put that much stock into what we have to say, to be honest. Then again, LG responded positively to that input latency petition so who knows. We'll see what they have to say.