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The Last of Us Season 2 gets first 'image'

And yet he puts himself in a very disadvantageous position? Either he was too trusting or dumb, either way, not resembling TLOU1 Joel IMO.
His only options
1) Fight off the horde of infected with very little ammo.
2) Meet up with her friends to fight against the infected.

He went with the safest option and just because you pick the safest option, that doesn't mean you trust those people.
 
Erm.

He just tweeted a Last of Us Part 2 image from 2017

Fair enough... but this does seem to at least suggest/unofficially confirm that they are going in that direction. Which is super exciting.

Wonder what they will do with the end of season 2 break/cliffhanger? Will it be the natural cliffhanger in the middle of part II, in the theater? Or will they play it totally differently to have another full season of Ellie/Joel... and then end on THE cliffhanger? Then they have a full season 3 to lean into building up Abby.

What they should do IMO:

Season 2 -- Joel & Ellie together, ends with... predictable cliffhanger
Season 3 -- Ellie & Dina go out after the WLF... another semi-clear cliffhanger (theater standoff)
Season 4 -- Abby's full story & her POV ending at the end of part II the game, in Santa Barbara

THAT is what the show deserves. No need to rush now that they know they have a proper hit!
 
And go outside with the infected? Sure, act suspicious when you're trapped and try fighting against more than 5 people.
A little back and forth between the brothers about who they might be dealing with would make them seem smarter and then keeping together and their distance as they probe the other group for info would've been part of my "rewrite". The infected at the gate were all killed with a Molotov.
I don't know what you're trying to say, but Abby already knew about Tommy.
Because Tommy/Joel used their name when the situation didn't seem to require it. Abby was the only other one there so just calling her girl when they're not talking to each other would've been smarter/saver and not a hinderance to their communication in that situation.
 
His only options
1) Fight off the horde of infected with very little ammo.
2) Meet up with her friends to fight against the infected.

He went with the safest option and just because you pick the safest option, that doesn't mean you trust those people.
What Horde? Most(all?) in the immediate area were dealt with and they were certainly not around when Ellie arrived.
 
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His only options
1) Fight off the horde of infected with very little ammo.
2) Meet up with her friends to fight against the infected.

He went with the safest option and just because you pick the safest option, that doesn't mean you trust those people.

I honestly respect you fighting the good fight for so long... but you must know by now you'll get no blood out of that stone, amigo?
 
A little back and forth between the brothers about who they might be dealing with would make them seem smarter and then keeping together and their distance as they probe the other group for info would've been part of my "rewrite". The infected at the gate were all killed with a Molotov.

Because Tommy/Joel used their name when the situation didn't seem to require it. Abby was the only other one there so just calling her girl when they're not talking to each other would've been smarter/saver and not a hinderance to their communication in that situation.
The smartest thing to do is to act nice, not suspicious. They were outnumbered and going back outside wasn't an option. If they refused to go inside, then they were not going to win a fight against Abby and her friends.

Part of survival also means taking the safest route possible and that's exactly what they did. Joel giving him their names is irrelevant because they could have easily found out from Abby.


This argument was weak and it was created by people who didn't follow the story that well at all. lol
 
I believe next season is all about Abby. They want to build her character better and for viewers to get attached to her story and motivation. Only few scenes of getting to demonize Joel and Ellie and the last episode of season 2 is when he get golfed. Season 3 is Ellie revenge season.

So basically season 1 is Joel story.
Season 2 is Abby revenge story.
Season 3 is Ellie revenge story.
Sounds like giving the new and old audience new reasons to hate Abby... think MGS2 Raiden. Would probably be great too.
 
The smartest thing to do is to act nice, not suspicious. They were outnumbered and going back outside wasn't an option. If they refused to go inside, then they were not going to win a fight against Abby and her friends.
Didn't say the brothers should've been openly suspicious towards the others and not put an act in anyway. Letting strangers surround you should not be something you facilitate yourself.
Part of survival also means taking the safest route possible and that's exactly what they did. Joel giving him their names is irrelevant because they could have easily found out from Abby.
Part of survival is also not giving protentional enemies even more advantages than they already have.
 
They're not going to greenlight the show or even a second season unless they're aware of what's going to happen...
they're aware of what's happening in the story? yeah, i'm sure they are. aware of potential audience reaction to that story? while i'm sure that they feel that there will be repercussions (as was naughty dog), i, again, think that they're possibly underestimating what exactly, thanks to gameplay, you can get away with, character-wise, in a game vs a tv series...

i finished tlou2 because i bought it because i loved tlou. while the gameplay was solid, i really disliked tlou2, &'ve never gone back to it. i, personally, would never've sat through a tv series version of tlou2. all i'm saying is, tlou lightning might not strike twice, & if it doesn't it'll likely be because not everything that works in game stories necessarily works in tv stories, & hbo didn't fully appreciate this...

what i would've done? run 2-3 seasons of joel & ellie's life together immediately post tlou. continue to feature joel, fill in the missing years, let the actress playing ellie age a bit, build up some new characters. & then, maybe then do tlou2...
 
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Didn't say the brothers should've been openly suspicious towards the others and not put an act in anyway. Letting strangers surround you should not be something you facilitate yourself.

Part of survival is also not giving protentional enemies even more advantages than they already have.
They were forced to go with Abby. You're saying they shouldn't act suspicious and they shouldn't let themselves be surrounded. That's a contradiction.

Acting suspiciously puts yourself at a disadvantage because they'll think you're up to something.
 
They were forced to go with Abby. You're saying they shouldn't act suspicious and they shouldn't let themselves be surrounded. That's a contradiction.

Acting suspiciously puts yourself at a disadvantage because they'll think you're up to something.
Not letting yourself get surrounded in that world doesn't seem that out of the ordinary and having some questions for new people you meet isn't either. It's not like Abby's group were super on edge with itchy trigger fingers.
 
It would probably turn out a lot like it did in the game

If they're going to make Abby look as ridiculous as she did in the game, it's going to look even funnier watching Bella Ramsey try to take her on. Bella is 19 years old. She's going to look the same in terms of size and frame once Season 2 rolls out. At least in the games Ellie got a lot taller, and even though she wasn't swole, she was still in incredible shape.
 
If they're going to make Abby look as ridiculous as she did in the game, it's going to look even funnier watching Bella Ramsey try to take her on. Bella is 19 years old. She's going to look the same in terms of size and frame once Season 2 rolls out. At least in the games Ellie got a lot taller, and even though she wasn't swole, she was still in incredible shape.

And an unarmed Abby still destroyed Ellie, with her guns and traps and all. Like I said, it will looks like it should be one sided, and it will be.
 
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they're aware of what's happening in the story? yeah, i'm sure they are. aware of potential audience reaction to that story? while i'm sure that they feel that there will be repercussions (as was naughty dog), i, again, think that they're possibly underestimating what exactly, thanks to gameplay, you can get away with, character-wise, in a game vs a tv series...

i finished tlou2 because i bought it because i loved tlou. while the gameplay was solid, i really disliked tlou2, &'ve never gone back to it. i, personally, would never've sat through a tv series version of tlou2. all i'm saying is, tlou lightning might not strike twice, & if it doesn't it'll likely be because not everything that works in game stories necessarily works in tv stories, & hbo didn't fully appreciate this...

what i would've done? run 2-3 seasons of joel & ellie's life together immediately post tlou. continue to feature joel, fill in the missing years, let the actress playing ellie age a bit, build up some new characters. & then, maybe then do tlou2...

They have people who have worked in the industry for years and you think they're underestimating what his death could mean for the TV show?

They're fully aware of what it could potentially do. If they're in the industry for this long, then they know what happens when a major character dies.
 
Not letting yourself get surrounded in that world doesn't seem that out of the ordinary and having some questions for new people you meet isn't either. It's not like Abby's group were super on edge with itchy trigger fingers.
The house was their only option. They didn't have any other choice. Joel asked questions and wanted to know where they were from and why they were there.
 
Can't wait to see who they cast for her.

My vote is HHH.


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He could be Kratos.
 
The house was their only option. They didn't have any other choice. Joel asked questions and wanted to know where they were from and why they were there.
And how does that automatically mean they had to follow the other group around so nonchalantly, some apprehension around strangers in that world doesn't seem out of the ordinary to me. They could've made some small talk without letting themselves get surround first. And like Abby's group was lying, they could've fed some false info too.
 
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Everyone knows that the HBO audience will just stop watching something that kills off a main character. Especially a character that say is on the cover of the first season or something.
 
And how that that automatically mean they had to follow the other group around so nonchalantly? They could've made some small talk without letting themselves get surround first. And like Abby's group was lying, they could've fed some false info too.
When those gates closed, they were already at a disadvantage. Let's say they started making small talk and refused to go in, but were told to go inside. Where would they run off to?

Nowhere.
 
When those gates closed, they were already at a disadvantage. Let's say they started making small talk and refused to go in, but were told to go inside. Where would they run off to?

Nowhere.
With the cold/blizzard I don't think they'd need to be told to get inside and Abby's group don't strike me as the kind to just let them freeze out there. But once inside they could've stayed with the horses a (little) while and do some of the talking from there under the pretence of being friendlies and getting to know each other.
 
Everyone knows that the HBO audience will just stop watching something that kills off a main character. Especially a character that say is on the cover of the first season or something.
It didn't stop people from watching Game of Thrones when popular characters were killed off.
 
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With the cold/blizzard I don't think they'd need to be told to get inside and Abby's group don't strike me as the kind to just let them freeze out there. But once inside they could've stayed with the horses a (little) while and do some of the talking from there under the pretence of being friendlies and getting to know each other.
They're still surrounded even if they stayed with the horses.

I think we're at a point where your explanation isn't making any sense. lol
 
They're still surrounded even if they stayed with the horses.

I think we're at a point where your explanation isn't making any sense. lol
Not if they stayed behind with the horses and Abby's group moved on more inside. Even if it inevitably will come to a confrontation shortly after(because Tommy revealed their names earlier), in my scenario the brothers try to make the best of a disadvantegeous situation again Abby's group while currently in the game they make it uncharacteristically easier to get dropped on. But that's really just a band aid for the current writing, they never should've used their real names to begin with.
 
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They have people who have worked in the industry for years and you think they're underestimating what his death could mean for the TV show?

They're fully aware of what it could potentially do. If they're in the industry for this long, then they know what happens when a major character dies.
they've also had series that've failed for years:

https://screenrant.com/hbo-shows-canceled-quickly-too-soon/

having experience in no way guarantees all-knowing wisdom or perpetual success. mistakes happen. which's why people good at things will always point out that what they do is an endless learning process:

https://www.bosshunting.com.au/entertainment/tv/hbo-failed-game-of-thrones-prequel/
 
People still trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Joel was dead as soon as he met Abby. They wrote in it. She explicitly tells Owen they catch a patrol and make them give up Joel. Lucky them, they caught Joel himself. Joel not telling them his name, or not going in or whatever else idea you have are irrelevant. With how it was played you get a good reveal and great shot of the pan around the room with everyone realizing who he is into getting his knee blown off.
 
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It was not out of character for Joel. To start off with he lived in a safe community for four years and that does tend to soften a person up. Also if you look at some of the game's notes they pick up stragglers all the time around Jackson and help them out. This was not something unusual for them.

Also the fact of the matter is that they were running from a horde and they had no choice put to take a leap of faith and trust these people because the other option was getting torn apart by a pack of infected. Joel is a great character but this idea that he is this terminator who never makes a mistake and never gets caught with his pants down needs to go. Nobody is invincible or infallible. The fact that it took four years for this shows he was good at evading it for a long time.
 
People still trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Joel was dead as soon as he met Abby. They wrote in it. She explicitly tells Owen they catch a patrol and make them give up Joel. Lucky them, they caught Joel himself. Joel not telling them his name, or not going in or whatever else idea you have are irrelevant. With how it was played you get a good reveal and great shot of the pan around the room with everyone realizing who he is into getting his knee blown off.
Sure, it's just written that Abby is insanely lucky to bump into Joel the first time she's in the area during a blizzard and a rare horde occurrence and Tommy reveals their names, why would anyone find that kind of writing unsatisfactory, I can't imagine.
 
It was not out of character for Joel. To start off with he lived in a safe community for four years and that does tend to soften a person up. Also if you look at some of the game's notes they pick up stragglers all the time around Jackson and help them out. This was not something unusual for them.
Why would they soften up when they have duty to protect their community and not let it fall into ruin like the rest of the wasteland? Fighting of threats should be a reminder that they can't easily let their guards down while out on patrol. Helping out a long stranger is one thing, revealing your names when you have a history like Joel's is uncharacteristic for a long time survivor like him(It was serious enough kill Marlene over it)
Also the fact of the matter is that they were running from a horde and they had no choice put to take a leap of faith and trust these people because the other option was getting torn apart by a pack of infected. Joel is a great character but this idea that he is this terminator who never makes a mistake and never gets caught with his pants down needs to go. Nobody is invincible or infallible. The fact that it took four years for this shows he was good at evading it for a long time.
If we stick with the contrived writing to get Joel in that house with Abby's group, he still didn't have to make it easier for Abby's group to take him down, at least let us see him and Tommy try to make the most of that situation first instead.
 
Sure, it's just written that Abby is insanely lucky to bump into Joel the first time she's in the area during a blizzard and a rare horde occurrence and Tommy reveals their names, why would anyone find that kind of writing unsatisfactory, I can't imagine.

You mean just like how lucky Tess was when she says they need to find a firefly and marlene just happens to be hiding around the corner? This happens constantly in popular fiction, including the first game. In this instance you bring up, Abby is literally following their tracks that she picked up after being shown what direction they were going by Owen.

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Why would they soften up when they have duty to protect their community and not let it fall into ruin like the rest of the wasteland? Fighting of threats should be a reminder that they can't easily let their guards down while out on patrol. Helping out a long stranger is one thing, revealing your names when you have a history like Joel's is uncharacteristic for a long time survivor like him(It was serious enough kill Marlene over it)

Joel would never soften up and let his guard down, following someone to an unknown hideout. Unless of course they attacked him first and held he and Ellie at gunpoint like Sam and Henry in the first game.
 
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Can you imagine the meltdown if they race swapped Abby.

I also have a feeling Nora will be white since that scene got some criticism from a racial angle.
 
You mean just like how lucky Tess was when she says they need to find a firefly and marlene just happens to be hiding around the corner? This happens constantly in popular fiction, including the first game. In this instance you bring up, Abby is literally following their tracks that she picked up after being shown what direction they were going by Owen.
Sure but not in the same league as travelling across states in a post apocalyptic setting and finding the guy you've been looking for with just vague hints the first time you're in the area during a blizzard and rare horde occurrence. The game could've gotten away with it if they also hadn't made Joel and Tommy so careless with their identities after Joel told his story in the beginning.
Joel would never soften up and let his guard down, following someone to an unknown hideout. Unless of course they attacked him first and held he and Ellie at gunpoint like Sam and Henry in the first game.
Sam and Henry had a plausible explanation why they stopped pointing guns at them(hunters don't travel with kids) so that bought them some good will. The strangers here help out clear some infected but their purpose is still unclear and they're well armed, as a defender, you wouldn't drop your guard just yet.
 
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Also Abby's group looks like a bunch of kids. They do not look threatening at all and the first person to introduce themselves and give their name is a pregnant woman so I can why they would let their guard down.
 
I love Abby. Hope they do her justice because I wasn't a fan of Show Ellie.
So unforntunate we have a gaming industry that is against strong female characters. Playing Abby section in the game was the best part. Kicking infected ass with a chick built like the MMA fighter and fit within the story is next level stuff. Her character doesn't push political agendas and she is still emotionally vulnerable.
Can you imagine the meltdown if they race swapped Abby.

I also have a feeling Nora will be white since that scene got some criticism from a racial angle.
That is the first time I've heard that. I wonder if HBO could get Jeffery Wright to play Isaac since he voiced him.
 
they've also had series that've failed for years:

https://screenrant.com/hbo-shows-canceled-quickly-too-soon/

having experience in no way guarantees all-knowing wisdom or perpetual success. mistakes happen. which's why people good at things will always point out that what they do is an endless learning process:

https://www.bosshunting.com.au/entertainment/tv/hbo-failed-game-of-thrones-prequel/
How a series will perform is unpredictable. That's why they didn't agree to a season 2 of the Last of Us UNTIL Season 1 turned out to be successful.

You're really not making a lot of sense. Showing how showed failed under HBO doesn't debunk what I said. They know shows can fail or succeed and that's why they don't often greenlight multiple seasons until Season 1 proves to be successful.
 
Not if they stayed behind with the horses and Abby's group moved on more inside. Even if it inevitably will come to a confrontation shortly after(because Tommy revealed their names earlier), in my scenario the brothers try to make the best of a disadvantegeous situation again Abby's group while currently in the game they make it uncharacteristically easier to get dropped on. But that's really just a band aid for the current writing, they never should've used their real names to begin with.
They're either corned or surrounded. Doesn't change the outcome.
 
How a series will perform is unpredictable. That's why they didn't agree to a season 2 of the Last of Us UNTIL Season 1 turned out to be successful.

You're really not making a lot of sense. Showing how showed failed under HBO doesn't debunk what I said. They know shows can fail or succeed and that's why they don't often greenlight multiple seasons until Season 1 proves to be successful.
nah, i'm making sense. it's completely ruling out the possibility of hbo making an error in judgment that makes no sense. i'm simply saying its possible...
 
nah, i'm making sense. it's completely ruling out the possibility of hbo making an error in judgment that makes no sense. i'm simply saying its possible...
Launching a show and then canceling it due to ratings and viewership is not an error. They're fully aware that launching a show is an investment that could fail.

Craig Mazin is a screenwriter and his writing is also based on the budget that the show will have in Season 2. They don't automatically greenlight season 2 without going over the story, budget, and cast.

If you believe they accept the deal and then go over the story later, then go ahead.. That really doesn't happen. lol
 
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