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[SantaC]

... And still many more hours to go. Well, probably... he said "tonight".

probably around 3-4 hours.

 

[John Harker]

If this is an actual leak, I'm really hoping it forces Nintendo to play some of their cards earlier to counter-balance the avalanche about to occur.

 

[methodman]

No, *really* underwhelming. Like, most of the specs fall well within "this gen." But like I said, that's not a dealbreaker.

:lol :lol :lol Man, You just add that " But like I said, that's not a dealbreaker." for no reason whatsoever. You have always been dogging nintendo, why stop now?

 

[Nightbringer]

Change the bolded to ~300Mhz GPU and 6MB or less 1T-SRAM eDRAM and I would have completely bought it as real.

You are more pessimistic than me.
:lol

 

[SpiffyG]

probably around 3-4 hours.

I say 4 1/2-6 hours. I don't think they'll update the site before 7.

 

[Oblivion]

As I've asked before, aren't these guys supposed to be under NDA?

 

[SantaC]

I say 4 1/2-6 hours. I don't think they'll update the site before 7.

damn i have to stay today...it's getting late in europe.

 

[M3wThr33]

Did anyone ever get a chance to actually suggest the console colors to Nintendo? At their giant press conference they seemed open to taking suggestions.

 

[terrene]

:lol :lol :lol Man, You just add that " But like I said, that's not a dealbreaker." for no reason whatsoever. You have always been dogging nintendo, why stop now?

You got me all wrong. I think Nintendo's retarded with their obsession with gimmicks and the kiddie audience, and the non-HD thing is going to hurt them, but now that they've committed to it, you can see how it lays out a pretty cogent plan for profitable hardware, since they don't have to pack in 3 to 6 CPU cores to get a big leap forward in their graphics.

The reaction is going to be pretty predictable: The haters will see the low specs and hate and go on to enjoy high-def games on their consoles of choice, and the N-fanboys will say "well, it's standard def anyway, I doubt the 360 will look much better on an SDTV" -- and they'll be right.

I've always been platform agnostic and I could give a shit about dogging Nintendo. They deserve the criticism they get for opting for always going the "wacky/lo-fi/kiddie" route, and they deserve the praise they get for bringing new ideas to the table -- as well as a few flashes of first-party brilliance.

 

[soundwave05]

They better offer black and white models at launch.

 

[Shogmaster]

You are more pessimistic than me.
:lol

Not pessimistic, just logical.

500Mhz GPU with any decent amount of transistors is too much for the little space, and anything over 6MB of eDRAM is nothing but an absolutely rediculous waste of resources when not doing HD resolutions.

And come to think of it, 2Ghz is too fast for the CPU as well. I'd be alot more comfortable if it was less than 1.5Ghz in that space. And L3 cache has to run at 1/2 the CPU speed or less.

 

[Ironclad]

These threads always bring out the worst, and funniest, in GAF. Haleon's absolute owning in this thread has made my afternoon. More hillarity to ensue later tonight. I've got my popcorn ready.

I'll throw out a comment about the specs though. I don't really think they are going to be that underwhelming. I could imagine at least a marginal leap over this generations hardware at the very least. Still, I don't really feel that the specs are going to have that much of an effect on anybody. terrene said it best when he said that it won't be a deal breaker.

 

[RonaldoSan]

Metroid Prime 3 for Revolution as shown at E3 2005. A giant leap in graphics or a marginal improvement over GameCube?

I don't know if anyone said this yet but how can ign write that knowing that it was never made or rendered on revolution hardware.

 

[Gio_CoD]

These threads always bring out the worst, and funniest, in GAF. Haleon's absolute owning in this thread has made my afternoon. More hillarity to ensue later tonight. I've got my popcorn ready.

I'm glad that at least my stupidity brings smiles to peoples faces.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Paradoxically, I am *more* interested in Revolution if the low specs are to be believed.


1) It means they are serious about doing something different
2) It means the system will be cheap-- and I don't mind gambling for smaller amounts of money.

 

[SpiffyG]

Did anyone ever get a chance to actually suggest the console colors to Nintendo? At their giant press conference they seemed open to taking suggestions.

IGN ran a poll. Black won by a little bit (Stupid people! White>Black)... like 53% to 51%.

 

[Nightbringer]

Not pessimistic, just logical.

500Mhz GPU with any decent amount of transistors is too much for the little space, and anything over 6MB of eDRAM is nothing but an absolutely rediculous waste of resources when not doing HD resolutions.

And come to think of it, 2Ghz is too fast for the CPU as well. I'd be alot more comfortable if it was less than 1.5Ghz in that space. And L3 cache has to run at 1/2 the CPU speed or less.

But I am talking about a "simple" ATI X1300 without AVIVO.

I continue believing that you are downgrading the specs more than Matt.

 

[ghostlyjoe]

Did anyone ever get a chance to actually suggest the console colors to Nintendo? At their giant press conference they seemed open to taking suggestions.

Cast my vote for purple with orange and yellow polka-dots! Oh, and a big picture of Dora the Explorer!!

(Actually, maybe I'd prefer the plain-old black.)

 

[Smiles and Cries]

so it took me 10 pages to reply...

I have nothing to say...

BUY A DS!

 

[terrene]

I'm glad that at least my stupidity brings smiles to peoples faces.

Haha, awww, at least you're a good sport about it. I never admit I'm wrong!

 

[Ironclad]

I'm glad that at least my stupidity brings smiles to peoples faces.

Don't worry about it. We all make mistakes from time to time. Usually they aren't as funny as yours though. :lol

At least you can revel in the fact that you have gotten your trial over with and now you can enjoy the hilarity that is set for later tonight.

 

[Gio_CoD]

Haha, awww, at least you're a good sport about it. I never admit I'm wrong!

I take my beatings like a man. I once made a sales prediction on an Xbox forum that Halo 2 would never sell more than 2 million units. I made up all sorts of logic about Halo only selling because of bundles and a poor launch and all that shit. When it sold 2.4 million in one day I had to go back to the forums to let everyone take their turns calling me a jackass.

 

[Slurpy]

In before forum crash.

I don't think I'll visit the forum until tomorrow, so as to skip all the bullshit.

 

[M3wThr33]

I'm glad that at least my stupidity brings smiles to peoples faces.

Don't feel too bad. I forgot where New Zealand was and poorly covered it up.

 

[CO_Andy]

All i ask for is bump-mapping.

 

[fartblast]

fantastic

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Don't feel too bad. I forgot where New Zealand was and poorly covered it up.

where did you think it was?

 

[elostyle]

Don't feel too bad. I forgot where New Zealand was and poorly covered it up.

I remember that :lol

where did you think it was.

Europe.

 

[SpiffyG]

In before forum crash.

I don't think I'll visit the forum until tomorrow, so as to skip all the bullshit.

GAF didn't crash when the controller was revealed, so it definately won't today.

 

[Raistlin]

Again I'll ask, does REV need as much power as 360 and PS3 if its not going to do any big HD stuff?

It doesn't need quite as much, but it would need to be close. HD resolution (let's use 720p as the standard for most games), doesn't take dramatically more power than 480p.

I don't understand these people saying "a slightly more powerful NGC graphics chip, but with all the newest effects" ... that's an oxymoron for many/most cases. For a lot of the new effects, the reason we are just seeing them now is because they need lot's of silicon to be produced ... not because they were just recently thought up.

 

[Salmon]

Uhmmm?!?


Mazan: Flash of the Blade

Video 1

Video 2

 

[M3wThr33]

where did you think it was?

I confused it with somewhere in the mess of those English-speaking-ish European countries, then New Foundland, (Which I learned is a part of Canada!) then finally looked on a map.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

I confused it with New Foundland. (Which I learned is a part of Canada!)

heh. if it's any consolation, thats the first time I've heard of New Foundland. But then, it's not an entire country...

 

[M3wThr33]

Having a Canadian girlfriend, I get to learn more about Canada than most other people ever will. I can name most of the provinces from memory, and their postal codes.

But I still remember that one Conan episode where he was in Canada and spent a minute talking about Canadian politics or something. I had NO CLUE what the hell he was talking about. Seriously. NOTHING. I mean, using words and stuff that made no sense. Meanwhile my girlfriend was just busting up. I felt stupid.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Not pessimistic, just logical.

500Mhz GPU with any decent amount of transistors is too much for the little space, and anything over 6MB of eDRAM is nothing but an absolutely rediculous waste of resources when not doing HD resolutions.

And come to think of it, 2Ghz is too fast for the CPU as well. I'd be alot more comfortable if it was less than 1.5Ghz in that space. And L3 cache has to run at 1/2 the CPU speed or less.

I wonder Shog, do you know the watts that either processor will need? And please don't give some numbers from a Power PC 970 Fx chip, but PPE numbers.

I've read on B3D that Xenon has very low power consumption and the 3 core processor coming in at only 85watts. What do you think will happen if you remove two of those cores?

 

[dynamitejim]

Not pessimistic, just logical.

500Mhz GPU with any decent amount of transistors is too much for the little space, and anything over 6MB of eDRAM is nothing but an absolutely rediculous waste of resources when not doing HD resolutions.

His chart said "based on RV515". Go look at apicture of an X1300 ATI card. They're 450MHz with just a big old heatsink. The 12MB of eDRAM could be used for an Standard Def resolution with AA or it might be used for textures like on the GC's GPU.

 

[Gaybrush Threepio]

Hmmm....very interested to hear about Revolution's specs from IGN.......given that as far as I know they've not been finalised yet........

 

[hadareud]

I wonder Shog, do you know the watts that either processor will need? And please don't give some numbers from a Power PC 970 Fx chip, but PPE numbers.

I've read on B3D that Xenon has very low power consumption and the 3 core processor coming in at only 85watts. What do you think will happen if you remove two of those cores?

What do you mean "only 85 watts"?

 

[Zilch]

Hmmm....very interested to hear about Revolution's specs from IGN.......given that as far as I know they've not been finalised yet........

Well the final specs won't be very different from whatever IGN posts tonight.

 

[Shogmaster]

I wonder Shog, do you know the watts that either processor will need? And please don't give some numbers from a Power PC 970 Fx chip, but PPE numbers.

I've read on B3D that Xenon has very low power consumption and the 3 core processor coming in at only 85watts. What do you think will happen if you remove two of those cores?

The specs as presented by Nightbringer is assumed not using PPE, so I don't know why you are bringing PPE into this discussion. And I'm not saying that his specs is gonna be the real deal either.

The CPU could end up being a single or dual core PPE at lower clock, or a 750VX, or a ULV 970FX. We don't know where it's headed for sure. But I just commenting on the specs that Nightbringer brought up, which sounds pretty interesting and is another approach of incorporating the previous gen silicon into the die.

 

[Oxymoron]

Having a Canadian girlfriend, I get to learn more about Canada than most other people ever will. I can name most of the provinces from memory, and their postal codes.

All the postal codes? That's quite a feat. My 4000 population town had more than a dozen.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

What do you mean "only 85 watts"?

Power consumption of the Xbox360 processor. I may be a little off on the numbers, they may be higher.

 

[M3wThr33]

I mean like AB for Alberta. I don't mean like T4R-2CR, which is the one of her old house in Calgary.

 

[OG_Original Gamer]

Well the final specs won't be very different from whatever IGN posts tonight.

The amount of memory and processor speeds can change.

 

[Ultra Magnanimous]

Power consumption of the Xbox360 processor. I may be a little off on the numbers, they may be higher.

Well, the 360 draws 160W in total...

http://reviews.cnet.com/4531-10921_7-6398157.html

 

[polg]

Metroid Prime 3 for Revolution as shown at E3 2005. A giant leap in graphics or a marginal improvement over GameCube?

I don't know if anyone said this yet but how can ign write that knowing that it was never made or rendered on revolution hardware.

it was running on gcn hardware

 

[hadareud]

Power consumption of the Xbox360 processor. I may be a little off on the numbers, they may be higher.

What I meant was that 85 for the CPU alone is a lot, I mean really alot for a console. The Rev would melt with a chip like this in it.

 

[marsomega]

I don't see how Nintendo could have paid close to or equal to what Microsoft paid and only have the RV515 to show for it.

How many hours till the unofficial official unveiling?

 

[Shogmaster]

I don't see how Nintendo could have paid close to or equal to what Microsoft paid and only have the RV515 to show for it.

If they incorporated all the old Ninty consoles' GPU silicons into the die, I could see it.

 

[malek4980]

Whoa baby. I should put an end to some speculation before it runs out of control.

Tonight's article will be a continuation of last night's. Satoru Iwata has not personally delivered us the full spec breakdown. Nintendo doesn't want to talk specs and I don't think anything we do will really change that.

That said, devs do have official documentation and it has been directly quoted to me over the phone.

Tonight, we'll talk a bit more about CPU / GPU power. We'll also have a clarification on RAM. (And before you go thinking that we messed up and it has 512MBs, think again -- it's the other way.) And we'll reveal the real DVD capacity. That 12GB stuff was completely bogus.

Devs also speculate on a price point.

Can someone do me a favor and pass this along to the guys at the GA Forum before they toss me into the bonfire.

Thanks.
Matt

His wording suggests it's less than 128 MB... if so I will say WOW!

If they incorporated all the old Ninty consoles' GPU silicons into the die, I could see it.

Does that include the N64 and GCN.

oh wait that's it. Was the N64 version made up of even a million?