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intbal said:
A live action Cal Kestis movie would quadruple the box office of this upcoming flop.
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A new trilogy based on Cal Kestis and his games. I'm saying this without knowing how the third game will end.

Fallen Order has a decent take on the Inquistors, decent main villain, fantastic ending much like Rogue one. So many great characters, iconic ship. Fantastic time period.

Survivor, that opening and that ending are fantastic story beats, the betrayal is a good one, even the hidden path is good. Imagine people's reaction with that ending speech from Cal. To make a movie would need to trim out some of the fat though.

Both games have some strong set pieces and strong fights that would work so well on screen.
 
ChuckeRearmed said:
I feel like the movie will flop
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It's Favreau at the helm, that guy knows how to make a good film. Even the dodgy ones like Iron Man 3 were still pretty watchable with good action. I think the film will be decent, question is "will it be GREAT" because Star Wars should not miss. It's a pretty easy formula if you just focus on the story and not the agenda.
 
My true hope to save this whole generation of Star Wars is to make the Mandorlorian die and push Baby Yoda to the Dark side and have him be the main villain of the next set of Star Wars movies.
 
MrCunningham said:
Yeah, that's what it seems like they were going for. But it was still a it distracting to me. The teaser cut like an old Anheuser-Busch 'Clydesdale' commercial. To be honest, I have never seen the Madalorean. I never got into the series. I just look at the add and shrug my shoulders.
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The mandalorean is very western inspired so this is on brand.
 
jason10mm said:
It's Favreau at the helm, that guy knows how to make a good film. Even the dodgy ones like Iron Man 3 were still pretty watchable with good action. I think the film will be decent, question is "will it be GREAT" because Star Wars should not miss. It's a pretty easy formula if you just focus on the story and not the agenda.
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Iron Man 3 benefitted from the build up towards the Endgame. At that time even the movies that would have flopped otherwise were reaching 600-800m easily.

Mandalorian by itself won't pull people to theaters. Amd Star Wars as an IP is too damaged at this point.
 
intbal said:
A live action Cal Kestis movie would quadruple the box office of this upcoming flop.
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I love those games so yeah, that'd be excellent. They also have actually interesting women in them that feel fleshed out. But I'd love a KotOR trilogy. Of course, I don't know if I want modern day Lucasfilm making them.

WhiteWaterM00se said:
My true hope to save this whole generation of Star Wars is to make the Mandorlorian die and push Baby Yoda to the Dark side and have him be the main villain of the next set of Star Wars movies.
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That would require bravery and creativity. Something Disney hasn't been fostering for a long time. But it would be the most interesting thing they could do. Otherwise I feel like the next main main villain will be a nothingburger.
 
MidGenRefresh said:
Being a Star Wars fan must be painful.
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Very painful. Knowing there is something Star Wars related used to be a very special thing, because it was once in a long while. I have a shit ton of Star Wars novels that I started collecting since I was about 12, that Disney made mostly non-canon now. And I can tell you one thing,
I'd rather be forced to read Star Wars - The Crystal Star(it's the worst Star Wars book ever written) a 100 times in a row before I ever watch anything Disney Star Wars related again.
 
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Signalis said:
Very painful. Knowing there is something Star Wars related used to be a very special thing, because it was once in a long while. I have a shit ton of Star Wars novels that I started collecting since I was about 12, that Disney made mostly non-canon now. And I can tell you one thing,
I'd rather be forced to read Star Wars - The Crystal Star(it's the worst Star Wars book ever written) a 100 times in a row before I ever watch anything Disney Star Wars related again.
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But don't need to be.
Fan are making excellent movies, even small series based on the ip all available on youtube.
There are also hundreds comics made will quality stories & characters (made before or around 2010-12, before all the disney slop age). So what if disney made them non canon? As far as I'm concerned disney slop is the non canon.
 
negator2vc said:
But don't need to be.
Fan are making excellent movies, even small series based on the ip all available on youtube.
There are also hundreds comics made will quality stories & characters (made before or around 2010-12, before all the disney slop age). So what if disney made them non canon? As far as I'm concerned disney slop is the non canon.
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Disney's shit is literally non-canon to me. Anything post Lucas I consider non-canon and poor fanfiction. But most of the orginal EU books were good. Quite a few shit ones but a lot of them fantastic.

Edit: What I can add about the Disney fan fiction movies is that Adam Driver carried the 3 movies on his fucking back. I think he is a great actor outside of Star Wars as well.
 
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EverydayBeast said:
Will see the movie myself, continuing the mandalorian through movie theaters is absolutely the right move.
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I will probably take my kids to see the movie, as they like to Grogu stuff. But yes the TV series had gotten very stale, because I think they made a mistake not having Mando go do stuff without Grogu.
 
Signalis said:
Very painful. Knowing there is something Star Wars related used to be a very special thing, because it was once in a long while.
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I remember when Disney had bought SW and announced that they would release one movie a year. I was like "that's not how it works." Releasing a SW movie is supposed to be a very big deal. You can have animated shows with new seasons every year, but when it comes the mainline stuff there needs to be a lot of thought put into it.

No matter how sucky the prequels were, you could sense that Lucas put a lot of effort into them. I never felt that with the Disney trilogy which felt like a safe cash grab from the very start. Much like how DC stressed out their DC universe movies, we can see that haste makes waste. If Lucasfilm/Dishey had taken their time allowing creators to flesh out and polish a story then Star Wars could have been a massive juggernaut today. Instead we have this paltry movie that might as well have been a longer episode in the next season.
 
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Toytown Assassin said:
I expected nothing and am disappointed anyway.
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The perfect reply. I can add nothing.

Trilobit said:
I remember when Disney had bought SW and announced that they would release one movie a year. I was like "that's not how it works." Releasing a SW movie is supposed to be a very big deal. You can have animated shows with new seasons every year, but when it comes the mainline stuff there needs to be a lot of thought put into it.

No matter how sucky the prequels were, you could sense that Lucas put a lot of effort into them. I never felt that with the Disney trilogy which felt like a safe cash grab from the very start. Much like how DC stressed out their DC universe movies, we can see that haste makes waste. If Lucasfilm/Dishey had taken their time allowing creators to flesh out and polish a story then Star Wars could have been a massive juggernaut today. Instead we have this paltry movie that might as well have been a longer episode in the next season.
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Disney's handling of Star Wars went *EXACTLY* like I thought it would. I was never excited for it.
 
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Trilobit said:
I remember when Disney had bought SW and announced that they would release one movie a year. I was like "that's not how it works." Releasing a SW movie is supposed to be a very big deal. You can have animated shows with new seasons every year, but when it comes the mainline stuff there needs to be a lot of thought put into it.

No matter how sucky the prequels were, you could sense that Lucas put a lot of effort into them. I never felt that with the Disney trilogy which felt like a safe cash grab from the very start. Much like how DC stressed out their DC universe movies, we can see that haste makes waste. If Lucasfilm/Dishey had taken their time allowing creators to flesh out and polish a story then Star Wars could have been a massive juggernaut today. Instead we have this paltry movie that might as well have been a longer episode in the next season.
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I never had issues with the prequels, I was always just happy for more Star Wars movies. And I agree with George Lucas putting in a lot of effort into the movies. Sure there were some crappy stuff, but overall I liked the prequel trilogy and still do love the 6 official Star Wars movies every bit as much as the first time I saw them all. But the prequels were the first ones I could experience in the cinema and what an experience it was. I remember I couldn't wait to go see The Phantom Menace, I went and watched it 3 more times afterwards. And I liked it and I still like them all. The prequels aren't nearly as bad as they are made out to be.

I bet it would be awesome to hear Lucas's unfiltered opinion on all the Star Wars fanfiction that Disney has put out.
 
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I just saw this on youtube



and remembered how watching random Lucas era Star Wars clips provides far more entertainment than most of what Disney has produced.
 
Trilobit said:
I just saw this on youtube



and remembered how watching random Lucas era Star Wars clips provides far more entertainment than most of what Disney has produced.
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Best lightsaber duel in the entire franchise. Nothing comes close nor will ever come close.

Disney's are all sloppy and poorly choreographed in comparison.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Best lightsaber duel in the entire franchise. Nothing comes close nor will ever come close.

Disney's are all sloppy and poorly choreographed in comparison.
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It has an amazing choreograpy, there were some real geniouses at work and you can tell that the actors gave their all. But when it comes to stakes and emotions then the one with Luke and Vader at the end of ESB still surpasses it. Luke gets a hit on his shoulder and Vader decides to finish the fight. Luke is absolutely exhausted at the end.

But the one that is my all time favourite duel is the final one in RotJ. Vader manages to taunt and strike fear in Luke and he lashes out in pure anguish. One of the most hauntingly beautiful parts of the soundtrack starts playing, one that frames what's happening in a spiritual sense. We start to wonder whether Luke really will remain a jedi, the fight against Vader taking a backseat to his fight against the dark side. It's the culmination of everything Luke has gone through and his arc. I still get goosebumps thinking about it.

It's truly the part which cements this trilogy as the best scifi fantasy epic I'll probably ever experience in my lifetime. Since then nothing has come even close to what it achieved in its portrayal of idealism.

 
Trilobit said:
It has an amazing choreograpy, there were some real geniouses at work and you can tell that the actors gave their all. But when it comes to stakes and emotions then the one with Luke and Vader at the end of ESB still surpasses it. Luke gets a hit on his shoulder and Vader decides to finish the fight. Luke is absolutely exhausted at the end.

But the one that is my all time favourite duel is the final one in RotJ. Vader manages to taunt and strike fear in Luke and he lashes out in pure anguish. One of the most hauntingly beautiful parts of the soundtrack starts playing, one that frames what's happening in a spiritual sense. We start to wonder whether Luke really will remain a jedi, the fight against Vader taking a backseat to his fight against the dark side. It's the culmination of everything Luke has gone through and his arc. I still get goosebumps thinking about it.

It's truly the part which cements this trilogy as the best scifi fantasy epic I'll probably ever experience in my lifetime. Since then nothing has come even close to what it achieved in its portrayal of idealism.

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For the sum of its parts with RotJ and all that you mentioned, I could not agree more.
 
Grenseal said:


Your reminder that fans are just making their own Star Wars.
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How do people watch this garbage lmao.
It's just a derivative affront towards every creative behind the IP.

Like I know there's a lot of really bad Star Wars ( always has been ) but at least there was some real creativity and effort that went into even the bad stuff.
This is just offensive.
Really makes me worried for art moving forward.
 
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Svalr93 said:
How do people watch this garbage lmao.
It's just a derivative affront towards every creative behind the IP.

Like I know there's a lot of really bad Star Wars ( always has been ) but at least there was some real creativity and effort that went into even the bad stuff.
This is just offensive.
Really makes me worried for art moving forward.
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I understand where you're coming from, but I don't see any harm in fans using AI to make their own stories or pay homage as long as they aren't monetizing it. I believe it can keep fans enjoying a setting and characters that the majority feel have been squandered and destroyed by the official rights holders.
 
Grenseal said:
I understand where you're coming from, but I don't see any harm in fans using AI to make their own stories or pay homage as long as they aren't monetizing it. I believe it can keep fans enjoying a setting and characters that the majority feel have been squandered and destroyed by the official rights holders.
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I fundamentally disagree I kinda view it as arguing that it's okay to build a car on stolen parts so long as you're not going to sell it, what you're doing is still unethical and built on theft and immoral.
And it's also normalizing and perpetuating something that is bad and harmful, and in this case it's also using other peoples likeness and voices without their consent which I just find really disturbing and is so open to abuse I think most people view it as violating.
Like in this video he's not making them say anything particularly bad, but there's a ton of these videos where they do and make them say offensive things imagine if that was your dad who passed away or something and you had to see that all over Youtube and social media 24/7.
There's already a lot of kids of celebrities speaking out about that too and how distressing it is.

Even outside of that there's also just the whole issue with Youtube being spammed by it and how annoying it is the end result of ai on Youtube is that the majority of the content will be ai generated it's impossible for actual human beings to keep up with.
If you allow ai on your platform sooner or later that's always going to happen.
It's kinda sad especially as someone who loves to watch documentaries it has become way harder to find legitimate ones because the site is so overtaken with ai generated ones full of nonsense, even a lot of legitimate documentary makers started using it too and their work has gone down hill.

Mr Reasonable said:
Crap though.
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The dialogue is hilariously bad lmao, that's the only good thing about it imo that it made me laugh a little at how poorly written the dialogue was.
It reads like someone took the wiki page and threw it into a voice gen.
 
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Svalr93 said:
I fundamentally disagree I kinda view it as arguing that it's okay to build a car on stolen parts so long as you're not going to sell it, what you're doing is still unethical and built on theft and immoral.
And it's also normalizing and perpetuating something that is bad and harmful, and in this case it's also using other peoples likeness and voices without their consent which I just find really disturbing and is so open to abuse I think most people view it as violating.
Like in this video he's not making them say anything particularly bad, but there's a ton of these videos where they do and make them say offensive things imagine if that was your dad who passed away or something and you had to see that all over Youtube and social media 24/7.
There's already a lot of kids of celebrities speaking out about that too and how distressing it is.

Even outside of that there's also just the whole issue with Youtube being spammed by it and how annoying it is the end result of ai on Youtube is that the majority of the content will be ai generated it's impossible for actual human beings to keep up with.
If you allow ai on your platform sooner or later that's always going to happen.
It's kinda sad especially as someone who loves to watch documentaries it has become way harder to find legitimate ones because the site is so overtaken with ai generated ones full of nonsense, even a lot of legitimate documentary makers started using it too and their work has gone down hill.



The dialogue is hilariously bad lmao, that's the only good thing about it imo that it made me laugh a little at how poorly written the dialogue was.
It reads like someone took the wiki page and threw it into a voice gen.
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I get it. I wish these learning models were never given unrestricted access to any and all forms of film, music, art, etc. Copyrights should have been respected even if the current holders didn't create them and simply bought them. Unfortunately it's too late.

I still enjoy fan creations using AI to the extent that I find it fascinating to see what fans come up with. I will agree that using a person's likeness to make them say or do anything as themselves that they would never do isn't something to be tolerated. I didn't see that in the case of a recognizable character simply being portrayed in a short vignette though. I found it similar to how Disney used a CGI Peter Cushing, long since passed, to reprise his role as Tarkington in Rogue One. That actually brings me to an interesting question. If it was simply all CGI instead of AI, would you find the same issues with these fan works?
 
Never cared for SW, but I've seen most of the movies. When it comes to Mando or Boba Fett (which is the coolest character IMO), just imagine if they made it more like a serious Blade Runner kind of movie he goes around the galaxy searching for bounties or getting hunted himself.

All I see with this Grogu gay stuff is the Mando character relegated to armour plated babysitter dad while Grogu grunting and pressing buttons is meant to sell stuffed animals.

The good 'ol all-in product strategy. One part is for adults, one part for kids.
 
All it takes is one good film and people will see it.

Just stop releasing terrible products.

Grogu would have been fine for one or two seasons. But once he left with Luke he should have stayed gone.
 
AJUMP23 said:
All it takes is one good film and people will see it.

Just stop releasing terrible products.

Grogu would have been fine for one or two seasons. But once he left with Luke he should have stayed gone.
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First step is having interest in the franchise. Something Disney clearly doesn't have with Star Wars. They just bought it because of the power of the brand.
 
Saber said:
First step is having interest in the franchise. Something Disney clearly doesn't have with Star Wars. They just bought it because of the power of the brand.
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Then they said let's make it for girls. And that was dumb. Should have kept it a major boy brand.
 
Saw it in IMAX 3D

Enjoyed it 🤷‍♂️
It was fun "and grogu" is actually big part of the movie and I enjoyed those bits the most since mando is basically just
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The CGI felt off in places (especially the huts) though, and seeing pedro's face felt a bit forced especially since it's pretty short (luckily), though it does tie into a plot decision at the end.
The star wars soundscape is brilliant as always and the mando theme/motif is a banger too so it was nice to hear it in IMAX.
 
Not understanding bad reviews… the previews made it look like shit but this was a pretty fucking good Star Wars movie.
 
Interfectum said:
Not understanding bad reviews… the previews made it look like shit but this was a pretty fucking good Star Wars movie.
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Reizo Ryuu said:
Saw it in IMAX 3D

Enjoyed it 🤷‍♂️
It was fun "and grogu" is actually big part of the movie and I enjoyed those bits the most
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Where would you place it amongst the other live action new-Star Wars? From the reviews I've been seeing this is where I'm thinking it's quality lies:

  • Andor
  • Rogue One
  • ---(Maybe Mando and Grogu here)
  • Episode 7
  • ---(Maybe Mando and Grogu here)
  • Solo
  • ---(Maybe Mando and Grogu here)
  • Ahsoka
  • Episode 8
  • Obi Wan
  • The Acolyte
  • Episode 9
If it's closer to Solo, it confirms my feelings that this belonged on Disney Plus. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just means it's not worth today's movie ticket prices.

Edit: Before anyone comments as to why episode 7 is so high at number 3, that's where most people used to place it back when it first released alongside Solo and Rogue One, so I'm going to use it's original rating instead of the current retroactive 'it's worse now because of 8 and 9' viewpoint.
 
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there is like a galaxy worth of novels and comics they could draw inspiration from.
but instead they make this garbo. (and the other bad live action disney SW stuff)
 
March Climber said:
Where would you place it amongst the other live action new-Star Wars?
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hard to say, my order would be different anyway, but mostly difficult because the shows/films in that list have a very "main star wars" kind of feel; this movie feels more "on the side" like skeleton crew.
 
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Trilobit said:
It has an amazing choreograpy, there were some real geniouses at work and you can tell that the actors gave their all. But when it comes to stakes and emotions then the one with Luke and Vader at the end of ESB still surpasses it. Luke gets a hit on his shoulder and Vader decides to finish the fight. Luke is absolutely exhausted at the end.

But the one that is my all time favourite duel is the final one in RotJ. Vader manages to taunt and strike fear in Luke and he lashes out in pure anguish. One of the most hauntingly beautiful parts of the soundtrack starts playing, one that frames what's happening in a spiritual sense. We start to wonder whether Luke really will remain a jedi, the fight against Vader taking a backseat to his fight against the dark side. It's the culmination of everything Luke has gone through and his arc. I still get goosebumps thinking about it.

It's truly the part which cements this trilogy as the best scifi fantasy epic I'll probably ever experience in my lifetime. Since then nothing has come even close to what it achieved in its portrayal of idealism.

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Ah yes. You can see how Luke tapped into the dark side and used the famed Skywalker Bash. Nothing gonna top a raging dude with a glowing baseball bat.

To add: all saver duels in the OT and PT were more than just dude (and ladies) swinging sticks - each battle had an underlying motive which was shown through motion and music. Well.. apart the og Vader vs Kenobi fight. After that Disney just wen't balls deep into the "rule of cool" with the sequels and lost the plot in the TV series. With just two exceptions - the Acolyte (the duels were good, ngl) and the Kenobi series. The rematch with Vader had the right emotions in it, too bad the rest of the series was meh at best.
 
March Climber said:
Where would you place it amongst the other live action new-Star Wars? From the reviews I've been seeing this is where I'm thinking it's quality lies:

  • Andor
  • Rogue One
  • ---(Maybe Mando and Grogu here)
  • Episode 7
  • ---(Maybe Mando and Grogu here)
  • Solo
  • ---(Maybe Mando and Grogu here)
  • Ahsoka
  • Episode 8
  • Obi Wan
  • The Acolyte
  • Episode 9
If it's closer to Solo, it confirms my feelings that this belonged on Disney Plus. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, it just means it's not worth today's movie ticket prices.

Edit: Before anyone comments as to why episode 7 is so high at number 3, that's where most people used to place it back when it first released alongside Solo and Rogue One, so I'm going to use it's original rating instead of the current retroactive 'it's worse now because of 8 and 9' viewpoint.
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I thought the Han Solo movie was a good movie.
 
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