For those metal vinyl collectors in this thread, where do you get your stuff? Do you buy directly from the label or maybe find rare stuff second hand? I've been trying to find some albums that are years old but its pretty hard to find a place that has them in stock or for a price that's not out of this world.
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The Metal Thread |OT2| All Riffs, No Gifs
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Yeah, Ozzy was Ozzy. His voice held up better than I was expecting, which made me satisfied.
Subscriptions, my friend. They make it a lot easier to keep track of threads. My GAF bookmark is actually set to the subscriptions page.
http://www.discogs.com is what you are looking for. It is a tracking tool for your collection as well as a marketplace. Unless it is exceptionally rare, you can usually find what you are looking for on there for a decent price.
Also, I've recommended them before but Hell's Headbangers is an awesome distro that has a great selection of extreme metal stuff. Decent price, fast shipping, and good packaging. I've ordered form them quite a bit.
http://shop-hellsheadbangers.com/
HammerOfThor
Member
So, in light of recent AC/DC news, I got to thinking, at what point is a band no longer the same band?
Is it once their frontman leaves? Can a band switch members until they become "successful", at which point those members make the band?
Lets take Slayer for example, the current lineup is 2/4 of the original. Hannamen is gone forever. Is Slayer still Slayer?
What makes the band a band?
Is it once their frontman leaves? Can a band switch members until they become "successful", at which point those members make the band?
Lets take Slayer for example, the current lineup is 2/4 of the original. Hannamen is gone forever. Is Slayer still Slayer?
What makes the band a band?
Ahoy there righteous dudes, babes, and all fans of Pirate Metal! It is my very great pleasure to tell you all that Alestorm's 4th album, to be entitled "Sunset on the Golden Age" will be released by Napalm Records on August 1st 2014 in Europe (Aug 4th in the UK, Aug 5th in North America)! The tracklist for the album will be as follows:
1 - Walk the Plank
2 - Drink
3 - Magnetic North
4 - 1741 (The Battle of Cartagena)
5 - Mead from Hell
6 - Surf Squid Warfare
7 - Quest for Ships
8 - Wooden Leg!
9 - Hangover
10 - Sunset on the Golden Age
Wow! Songtitles! Exclamation marks! We'll be telling you a bit more about the individual tracks sometime soon. What we will say for now, is that "Hangover" is a cover of the dance-pop anthem by Taio Cruz and Flo Rida. It works...trust me!
ANYWAY back to the good stuff. Check out the artwork for the album...how good is that? This rad painting was once again done by the very talented Ingo Römling, who has handled all of our previous album covers. It features a bunch of pirate ships doing what they do best: shooting the crap out of each other. Cannons are cool. Also, the sky is red, as if to imply it's sunset. See what we did there?
OF COURSE the title of the album is a reference to "The Golden Age of Piracy", which was a period roughly between the years 1680-1720 (depending on who you ask), during which time all the famous pirates you've probably heard of were doing their thing in the Caribbean. Stealing treasure, kicking the ass of the British Navy, plundering wenches, and so forth. Like all good things, this age had to come to an end, and so we've used that as a general theme for this album. There's also songs about drinking and partying too.
In the coming weeks and months we'll be giving you more details about the album, including preorder information, special editions, and other stuff...and we'll maybe let you all hear a song if you're good boys and girls! Until then, stay piratical!
Cheers
Chris - Alestorm
1 - Walk the Plank
2 - Drink
3 - Magnetic North
4 - 1741 (The Battle of Cartagena)
5 - Mead from Hell
6 - Surf Squid Warfare
7 - Quest for Ships
8 - Wooden Leg!
9 - Hangover
10 - Sunset on the Golden Age
Wow! Songtitles! Exclamation marks! We'll be telling you a bit more about the individual tracks sometime soon. What we will say for now, is that "Hangover" is a cover of the dance-pop anthem by Taio Cruz and Flo Rida. It works...trust me!
ANYWAY back to the good stuff. Check out the artwork for the album...how good is that? This rad painting was once again done by the very talented Ingo Römling, who has handled all of our previous album covers. It features a bunch of pirate ships doing what they do best: shooting the crap out of each other. Cannons are cool. Also, the sky is red, as if to imply it's sunset. See what we did there?
OF COURSE the title of the album is a reference to "The Golden Age of Piracy", which was a period roughly between the years 1680-1720 (depending on who you ask), during which time all the famous pirates you've probably heard of were doing their thing in the Caribbean. Stealing treasure, kicking the ass of the British Navy, plundering wenches, and so forth. Like all good things, this age had to come to an end, and so we've used that as a general theme for this album. There's also songs about drinking and partying too.
In the coming weeks and months we'll be giving you more details about the album, including preorder information, special editions, and other stuff...and we'll maybe let you all hear a song if you're good boys and girls! Until then, stay piratical!
Cheers
Chris - Alestorm
postcyberpunk
Banned
Ha! Good point about the names.
I hated The Hunter. Their other albums are great, so I'm looking forward to the new one. Now if this one sucks, they I might stop giving a fuck about them.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
The only acceptable pirate metal is Running Wild.
That was back in '84. But times are a changin' and we don't give a damn, so if you don't like it go start your own band!
Scraping the Barrel
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Alestorm "Wolves of the Sea" is so perfect, it has to be hard to keep making this stuff.
Andrew Korenchkin
Member
Pirate Metal? Sorry, but that band you mentioned just sounds like regular Power/Folk Metal to me.
Andrew Korenchkin
Member
Eh, the music itself defines what a genre is, not its lyrical themes. For me personally, that's the way it's always been.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
There's no such thing as "pirate metal", it's just a silly gimmick.
Well, again, except Running Wild, they're allowed to call themselves that. Because Running Wild.
Well, again, except Running Wild, they're allowed to call themselves that. Because Running Wild.
Don't forget, the guys sings with a cartoony pirate accent too.
Andrew Korenchkin
Member
Reminds me of a friend who calls Grimwolf (some generic Thrash/death metal band, don't even bother with them) "Werewolf Metal", as if that's some sort of legit genre (It isn't). Yeah, I agree that it's a silly gimmick at best.
I wouldn't agree with that, unless you believe that viking metal isn't a genre either.
Because Bathory doesn't sound any different than black metal to me but Quorthon is credited with creating the viking metal genre by many.
edit: anyway, about to do a song presentation for my class for a song with "cultural significance." after thinking about a dozen different metal songs I'm cheaping out and doing One. It's just easy on the ears.
I would say Viking metal is not a genre. It's typically Folk Metal (which I WOULD consider a genre that blends elements of folk music and metal) + lyrics about Vikings. People call Amon Amarth "Viking Metal" too but its just melodic death metal with viking lyrics.
Sub-genres are useful for doing exactly what we do in this thread: discussing music. I just don't like "viking metal" or "pirate metal" because they tell me little about the actual sound of the music.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
That's oversimplification with no benefit to discussion.
Viking Metal is a descriptive label, it's just that Amon Amarth is not Viking Metal. People who call them that aren't familiar with VM. Of course if you consider a band with a sound that is unlike any other band in the genre, there will be confusion. AA's sound is so far from bands that are normally described with the VM label, they cannot be VM regardless of their lyrics or album art.
Folk/Pagan/Viking isn't that wide of an umbrella, and a lot of bands that are regarded as Folk Metal could also be regarded as Pagan Metal, or even Viking Metal. Moonsorrow is a good example (they regard themselves as Pagan Metal). All 3 are descriptive of their sound.
Viking Metal should definitely give you an idea of what a band's sound is like.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Er... are you not aware that Bathory continued releasing albums after Under the Sign of the Black Mark?
Bathory's viking metal albums are very, very different than black metal.But people who call Amon Amarth viking metal are just wrong.
Wrong analogy, because viking metal is a type of sound, pirate metal isn't.
This.
Umm, ok? Good argument. I forgot you were the authority on this.
If pirate metal isn't a sound, then neither is viking metal. It's the same type of descriptor. As I stated before, viking metal is really just typically folk metal (or folk black metal in more specific cases) and viking lyrics.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
The point is, though, that if you heard of a new band and that they were Viking Metal, you wouldn't think they sound like Amon Amarth. You'd think they are probably something in the vein of Thyrfing, Einherjer, etc.
That means it's a sound and a descriptive label.
Morrigan's own website labels both Bathory and Ensiferum as viking metal and they don't sound anything alike. To me, that label doesn't tell me much about the music.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
You still know what the general approach and style will be- folk elements, keyboards, viking/epic atmosphere and themes, black metal elements. There also must not be a better descriptor- Amon Amarth is a great example. They are Melodic DM. If you had to describe them, you'd immediately say they were Melodeath. Ensiferum doesn't have much BM elements to their sound, but they fit in every other way, and there isn't really a better descriptor of their sound.
Lyrical content is only one aspect of a band's music, and in no way describes a sound, which is the point.
Pirate Metal is just a couple bands, it's simple to use it as a descriptor of a sound- it's obviously a take on Viking Metal, with Power Metal elements and Pirate theme/atmosphere.
Andrew Korenchkin
Member
HammerOfThor
Member
Thinking of seeing Ghost Monday...but I hate going to Monday shows because of work the next day. Plus the venue is like a 90 minute drive from me, during rush hour, which will me nearly 2 hours.
obin_gam
Member
Well, this one they didnt
Wolves of the sea is a cover they did of a Eurovision song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHLqfkU_0xAHammerOfThor
Member
I consider Manowar brotherhood metal and Blind Guardian fantasy metal
Joking aside, this is how I feel too.
Joking aside, this is how I feel too.
Andrew Korenchkin
Member
HammerOfThor
Member
Ha no, sorry I had to stealth edit because sarcasm is hard to detect over the net
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Well, this one they didnt
Holy shit, haha. It did seem like the song was incredibly well written in comparison to their other stuff.
Andrew Korenchkin
Member
Ha no, sorry I had to stealth edit because sarcasm is hard to detect over the net
Yeah, I know. I realized that after posting. It's cool.
Anyway, Mastodon released their new song, officially. I'm meh on it, but maybe you folks will like it better than myself.
http://www.mastodonrocks.com/highroad
We're having the "pirate metal" discussion again, yay!
My two cents: Fuck Alestorm.
Damn straight. After Death or Glory they could've labeled themselves Europop and I'd respect that.
My two cents: Fuck Alestorm.
Damn straight. After Death or Glory they could've labeled themselves Europop and I'd respect that.
Lambda Pie
Banned
Alestorm is power metal about pirates.
same way Powerwolf is power metal about werewolves.
same way Powerwolf is power metal about werewolves.
MezzoForte
Member
Fallen Angel of Doom. The IVth Crusade. One of these albums is war metal.
Blasphemy and their ilk are sometimes described described as war metal. I never cared for that much though. Bestial black metal is another genre descriptor used for that sub-genre(Beherit, Revenge, Teitanblood, etc).
IVth Crusade is just straight death metal with lyrics about war.
MezzoForte
Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he5syRWIabM
what about a bestial black/death metal band covering Bolt Thrower? Naw lol. I didn't think anyone would know how to respond to that seriously, but good shit. I follow this scene pretty closely. I'm just huge on the super aggressive void of reverb/delay or otherwise wall-of-sound types of black/death. Like this album for example! Just released; got the CD yesterday and it's utter hypnotism.
http://nuclearwarnowproductions.bandcamp.com/album/serpentine-hermetic-lucifer
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Not really, I'm just stating what's common knowledge.
Again, no. It refers to a rather specific kind of sound, as metal subgenres goes. Pirate metal doesn't.
Behemoth and Bolt Thrower are both listed as death metal and don't sound anything alike. Briton Rites and Count Raven are both listed as doom metal and don't sound anything alike. Manilla Road and Accept are both listed as heavy metal and don't sound anything alike. Summoning and Varathron are both listed as black metal and don't sound anything alike. And so on.
I take it you also think these labels are useless...?
Okay. You'd still be wrong.
No love for Pile of Skulls or Black Hand Inn? They're their best, IMO.
Yeah, seems like Hell's Headbangers is always the cheapest option for new stuff.
Giant Robot
Member
haha.
Finally listened to the new Mastodon. As reference, I looooved Crack The Skye and couldn't get into The Hunter for the life of me.
This new song though is pretty awesome. I'm digging it. Nice riff, fucking awesome solo. Sure it's not the epics of Crack The Skye, but it's still solid.
This new song though is pretty awesome. I'm digging it. Nice riff, fucking awesome solo. Sure it's not the epics of Crack The Skye, but it's still solid.
why is the thread getting into pedantic genre arguments and not talking about A NEW FALCONER SONG
MezzoForte
Member
new Impetuous Ritual dropped. Dark Descent Records has it stocked in the USA. If you've never ordered from them before, they're a fantastic distro. Full album stream:
http://profoundlorerecords.bandcamp.com/album/unholy-congregation-of-hypocritical-ambivalence
http://profoundlorerecords.bandcamp.com/album/unholy-congregation-of-hypocritical-ambivalence
I saw Godflesh and Carcass last weekend.
Godflesh was rad, also super heavy. Only bad part was the two opening acts were not good at all. Cut hands went on for so long and was just not a good fit with Godflesh. They should have had better bands playing with them. Nails would be killer to see before Godflesh.
The Carcass show on the other hand did not have a problem with bad openers. Everyone was good. Gorguts only had time to play 4 songs, but it was still rad. Black Dahlia Murder is the band you want opening for you. They are masters of hyping the crowd. Carcass themselves just floored me. Those guys are so on point. Every song was great and they played stuff from almost all their albums. They played at a blistering pace for well over and hour. Awesome fucking show.
Godflesh was rad, also super heavy. Only bad part was the two opening acts were not good at all. Cut hands went on for so long and was just not a good fit with Godflesh. They should have had better bands playing with them. Nails would be killer to see before Godflesh.
The Carcass show on the other hand did not have a problem with bad openers. Everyone was good. Gorguts only had time to play 4 songs, but it was still rad. Black Dahlia Murder is the band you want opening for you. They are masters of hyping the crowd. Carcass themselves just floored me. Those guys are so on point. Every song was great and they played stuff from almost all their albums. They played at a blistering pace for well over and hour. Awesome fucking show.
Lambda Pie
Banned
amazing as always.
Excellent. Just the mix sounds off with the vocals being so high and it doesn't seem to fit.
edit: Just getting around to listening to the new Gamma Ray album, god damn this is fantastic.