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The murder of Iryna Zarutska



I'm assuming in this context 'veto-proof' just means that if the Governor attempted to veto it, the Legislature has enough votes to override the veto (i.e. a supermajority) but let's see if the Governor is dumb enough to actually try and veto this
 
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Maybe we need to go back to non-virtual communities. Love thy neighbor and all that.

Internet and social media expose us to so much of the world's ugliness which we have very little ability to understand or influence. It upsets and irritates us, leaving us with less compassion to spare for the people who meet us in real life.

We waste our empathy worrying about faraway problems out of our control, instead of using it where it matters the most.

Perhaps we should focus more on improving our immediate surroundings and being kind to those we come across.

Perhaps simpler is better sometimes.

Over the last few months, I've started trying to get to know my neighbors and clean up trash on my street. I grew up too paranoid and unfriendly. That's not good for me or them. I'm not showing off, I want to be an example for others. Someone else inspired me. Some news story or something but I really don't remember what it was.

[Edit 10/07/2025] Old lady had a bunch of vines on her fence on a curve on our road that made it hard to see around the corner. I told her about it and helped her cut some of them down. She did most of the work, but I said something and did something and me, her, and the neighborhood benefits. It was an awkward request: "Clean up your yard!" but she understood the issue and it went well.
 
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Over the last few months, I've started trying to get to know my neighbors and clean up trash on my street. I grew up too paranoid and unfriendly. That's not good for me or them. I'm not showing off, I want to be an example for others. Someone else inspired me. Some news story or something but I really don't remember what it was.
Thank you for sharing this.
 
39 arrests and 25 felony convictions, out on the street with only 600 days total behind bars, proceeds to home invade and execute this man's innocent daughter.




Make crime illegal again.
 
39 arrests and 25 felony convictions, out on the street with only 600 days total behind bars, proceeds to home invade and execute this man's innocent daughter.




Make crime illegal again.


There are the usual subreddits, which I won't link to, that are simply dismissing this father's speech as manufactured and Republican rhetoric. It was goddamn infuriating to read.
 
39 arrests and 25 felony convictions, out on the street with only 600 days total behind bars, proceeds to home invade and execute this man's innocent daughter.




Make crime illegal again.


39 arrests and 25 felony convictions is nuts. I think Florida has a three strike rule before you do a mandatory extended sentence.

Less than 2 years on all of that. Did this dude get the Lex Luthor of public defenders or what the fuck.
 
39 arrests and 25 felony convictions, out on the street with only 600 days total behind bars, proceeds to home invade and execute this man's innocent daughter.




Make crime illegal again.


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39 arrests and 25 felony convictions, out on the street with only 600 days total behind bars, proceeds to home invade and execute this man's innocent daughter.




Make crime illegal again.

Powerful. As a dad, that one was hard to imagine and put myself through. I share his anger, and I admire him for not dropping the sword.
 
39 arrests and 25 felony convictions, out on the street with only 600 days total behind bars, proceeds to home invade and execute this man's innocent daughter.




Make crime illegal again.

This family's story is so heartbreaking. Him looking directly at the dumbass politician who incorrectly said his daughters name was Iryna, when he says her correct name is awesome.
 
In reality, it should not matter; a criminal is a criminal. But in a lot of these cities, if you are black, it is racist to keep you in prison.
100% agree it should not matter. Just taking a wild guess here.

Historical it could be argued ethnic minorities or in the USA case blacks especially in the south were more likely to go to prison.

It seems because of this the west has lost its mind and is doing everything it can to keep people out of jail, when they should be there because it's racist jail criminals. Seems USA has got some two tier policing and justice as well.
 
What colour was the criminal
In reality, it should not matter; a criminal is a criminal. But in a lot of these cities, if you are black, it is racist to keep you in prison.
Not really racist in that kind of way. But more about it looks bad on the Black community when jails and prisons are hugely over represented. So for sake of PR and trying to protect them from people always noticing it, they let them loose so it doesn't become a front page arrest with a police station mugshot.

In Toronto, the Black community is about 9% of the population (at least thats what the % was last time I checked a demographic chart). But probably 60-70% of arrests, suspect pic articles, and major stuff like shootings or drug busts are Black people going by CP24. Just the other day captured on security cam, 3 Black women stole $10,000s of designer glasses. Grab and go. The chances of seeing any Korean, Chinese or Japanese person doing crime is literally like 0.5% though there's tons of Asians in the metro area. And when there is a crime caught, it's something really white collar and obscure like mortgage fraud or a person pretending to be a landlord or real estate agent and taking deposits and disappearing.
 
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To the Rules for Radicals.

Now we know why it's called "Criminal Justice" and not the Victim Justice System.

Criminals have more rights than victims, just because they are (more often than not) members of protected race (US) or religion/ethnicity (Europe/UK).
 
Criminals have more rights than victims, just because they are (more often than not) members of protected race (US) or religion/ethnicity (Europe/UK).
Create the problem, provide the solution.

An intentional breakdown of trust in the culture's institutions and systems; to install/replace with their own institutions or "yes men." Break down trust in the systems so much so, that the law abiding citizens will beg "the state" for boots to all of their necks, even their own.

This is cyclical all throughout history. It's almost boring as a history buff and also infuriating seeing the same things being repeated, and the masses of NPCs on auto-pilot through ignorance.

The world is a stage, and we are the audience.
 
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The idea of getting arrested once in my life is a wild thought. It's not why I don't commit crimes, I just don't want to be the cunt that I would also like others to not be.

The concept of getting arrested 91 times is simply beyond comprehension. I can only put blame on the systems and people in power, because it's clear that this individual does not want to be part of an honourable society.

Where I am the police have taken it upon themselves to issue public statements for when the "justice" system is about to release someone who they think will commit more crimes, especially violent ones. They've already been proven right multiple times, sadly including rapists.
 
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Only 91 previous arrests, surely he really wants to turn his life around if we give him a 92nd chance!
You know old saying..... 92nd time's a charm!
The idea of getting arrested once in my life is a wild thought. It's not why I don't commit crimes, I just don't want to be the cunt that I would also like others to not be.

The concept of getting arrested 91 times is simply beyond comprehension. I can only put blame on the systems and people in power, because it's clear that this individual does not want to be part of an honourable society.

Where I am the police have taken it upon themselves to issue public statements for when the "justice" system is about to release someone who they thing will commit more crimes, especially violent ones. They've already been proven right multiple times, sadly including rapists.
I dont commit crimes either, unless someone wants to claim a handful of $40 speeding and parking tickets since high school are arrest worthy. And one of the parking tickets I even got cancelled by the city.

Problem is a lot of people have mental issues, combined with lax gov laws and shitty culture. So add it up and some people will take advantage and a lot of people and gov dont give a shit.

And I dont want to hear any BS from people saying it's normal and fine to do if someone is poor. Just because someone isnt living like a millionaire doesnt mean stabbing or stealing are ok.
 


Sorry if this is OT but it came across my feed and I was like LMAO that dude literally used Charlotte NC as the example to compare with Tokyo

Bruh if you had people stacked up like they are in Tokyo but with American or European level crime, what you would have is Megacity One and you would need Judge Dredd to manage that
 


Sorry if this is OT but it came across my feed and I was like LMAO that dude literally used Charlotte NC as the example to compare with Tokyo

Bruh if you had people stacked up like they are in Tokyo but with American or European level crime, what you would have is Megacity One and you would need Judge Dredd to manage that

And he's right.

It goes for anything in life. The more people there are, the more process and controls you need to keep things under control so you dont have a a bunch of jackasses roaming wild shit storming the rest of the public.

If there's a big game and there's 1000s of people trying to get in showing their ticket, you dont have two guys scanning tickets. You got lots of gates open, lots of staff and security. But if it's an after school rec soccer game for 10 year olds you dont need order because 20 parents watching on lawn chairs can handle themselves like adults as the chances of a wacky situation is basically zero.

His first point is spot on. I said the same on gaf before about quiet suburban living. No noise, no troubles, no crazy people. Then you drive downtown and the second you park your car and get out you'll probably see a panhandler or stumbling druggie in the first block. My neighbour leaves a lot of gear outside on his driveway.... tires (when its time to flip from summer to winter tires), snowblower, lawnmower and any other stuff he doesn't feel like opening the garage door. I asked him about this when I moved to the area and he's like what's the problem? He's never had anything stolen in 20 years. If he did this in a busy part of town where there's scummy people, it'd probably be all stolen in 5 minutes. lol
 
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Time to bring back public executions.

Death penalty, let's gooo
I never understood this American fetish of death sentence and public executions, instead of first of all prevention by educating communities ; drug education and treatment, and also rehabilitiation. Where does this Hammurabi shit comes from? I assume it's the same Puritan logic that that resulted in Salem trials, but I don't understand what was the origin of that. Long shot: people that emigrated to America were all pretty hardcore on life, so then all of those people ended up in one country.
His first point is spot on. I said the same on gaf before about quiet suburban living. No noise, no troubles, no crazy people. Then you drive downtown and the second you park your car and get out you'll probably see a panhandler or stumbling druggie in the first block. My neighbour leaves a lot of gear outside on his driveway.... tires (when its time to flip from summer to winter tires), snowblower, lawnmower and any other stuff he doesn't feel like opening the garage door. I asked him about this when I moved to the area and he's like what's the problem? He's never had anything stolen in 20 years. If he did this in a busy part of town where there's scummy people, it'd probably be all stolen in 5 minutes. lol
This is all related to how Americans designed their cities, and now are surprised by the consequences. European cities are LIVING cities, and that includes downtown. There are regular people living in the middle of Berlin, Paris, Rome, etc. Actually the city closest to the US example is Brussels, nobody wants to live in the center over there.
To counter your neighbour example this is what I get living in the middle of Paris (sure, fancy district but that goes for everything) - I went to the dentist a few years ago with my daughter, wanted to clip the stroller somewhere. Dentist went: "Sir, this is Paris 8, nobody is going to touch the stroller here".
 
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I never understood this American fetish of death sentence and public executions, instead of first of all prevention by educating communities ; drug education and treatment, and also rehabilitiation. Where does this Hammurabi shit comes from? I assume it's the same Puritan logic that that resulted in Salem trials, but I don't understand what was the origin of that. Long shot: people that emigrated to America were all pretty hardcore on life, so then all of those people ended up in one country.
I have no fucking clue why anyone would have any interest in trying to rehabilitate someone who slashed a poor girl to death completely unprovoked.
This is all related to how Americans designed their cities, and now are surprised by the consequences. European cities are LIVING cities, and that includes downtown. There are regular people living in the middle of Berlin, Paris, Rome, etc. Actually the city closest to the US example is Brussels, nobody wants to live in the center over there.
To counter your neighbour example this is what I get living in the middle of Paris (sure, fancy district but that goes for everything) - I went to the dentist a few years ago with my daughter, wanted to clip the stroller somewhere. Dentist went: "Sir, this is Paris 8, nobody is going to touch the stroller here".
You and your dentist could run security at the Louvre.
 
I never understood this American fetish of death sentence and public executions, instead of first of all prevention by educating communities ; drug education and treatment, and also rehabilitiation. Where does this Hammurabi shit comes from? I assume it's the same Puritan logic that that resulted in Salem trials, but I don't understand what was the origin of that. Long shot: people that emigrated to America were all pretty hardcore on life, so then all of those people ended up in one country.
Fun fact, the recidivism rate for a violent felon who received the death penalty is......ZERO.

And who says you can't do both? Execute the savage brutes unfit for ANY society and sponsor education systems and social systems designed to enable folks to achieve self-reliance, maintain core family structures, establish a common cultural base, instill a shared language, and foster respect for rule of law and polite discourse with a low tolerance for deviation into violence and lawlessness.

Problem with the death penalty isn't that it exists, it's that it takes DECADES to serve. Enact it 1 month after sentencing and watch the effect it has.
 
Problem with the death penalty isn't that it exists, it's that it takes DECADES to serve. Enact it 1 month after sentencing and watch the effect it has.
What if the court made a mistake and sentenced an innocent to death? Do we go with "well, if it's 0.1% of cases it's fine, can't be right all the time!"?
 
What if the court made a mistake and sentenced an innocent to death? Do we go with "well, if it's 0.1% of cases it's fine, can't be right all the time!"?
Presumably if the jury knew the sentence would be carried out quickly, they would only vote guilty for the crime if there was 100% zero doubt and a history of similar violent behaviors. The lawyers would do the responsible thing and only charge based on what evidence they have and the defense would actually proffer guilt pleas to avoid it, saving us all the time and $$$ of a pointless trial.

And yes, quite frankly the notion "better 99 felons go free than 1 innocent suffer punishment" is a failed ideology more appropriate in an era of poor evidence beyond witness statements versus the current era of constant video surveillance, DNA testing, phone records, etc.

You have seen the video of this savage stabbing Iryna. Do YOU think he is 100% guilty of killing her? What punishment do YOU think would be appropriate if that was your sister, daughter, or mother?
 
What if the court made a mistake and sentenced an innocent to death? Do we go with "well, if it's 0.1% of cases it's fine, can't be right all the time!"?


It's a extreme penalty that should only apply in extreme cases. Like this one.

This person can't live among us. Either you jail him for life, or straight up kill him. There's no other valid alternative.

Here's the thing: civilized socities made their laws for civilized people. The kind of criminals those laws are made for can't contain subhuman beasts. You need a special regulation for the crazies and those who come from barbaric countries.

In principle, I dont like the idea of giving the government the power to kill citizens. But there must be mechanism to prevent the lost cases from ever acting again. I refuse to sacrifice innocent lives for some philosophical principles.
 
What if the court made a mistake and sentenced an innocent to death? Do we go with "well, if it's 0.1% of cases it's fine, can't be right all the time!"?

No, we don't. We ban the death penalty because even one innocent death (and there have been a lot more than that) is not worth it.
 
No, we don't. We ban the death penalty because even one innocent death (and there have been a lot more than that) is not worth it.
Well, that's the European way. Although I can see an argument for death penalty like the guy that killed Iryna - seems pretty clear cut to me.
 
Sometimes i still think about this out of the blue.

I've seen worse crimes on tape but there is something about seeing someone young just sitting down crying after getting brutally stabbed, bleeding to death and accepting her fate while in tears and after escaping a war in her home country. Iti's a tough watch for me. Some crimes just stay with you. This is one of them.

Shame that this was only blowing up weeks after happening and right when Charlie Kirk was murdered and that one took priority from the media (not like they they were talking a lot about this anyway).
 
The massive issue here is judges letting people with 20+ felonies walk among us like nothing happened. It's crazy that this is even controversial. Sick and tired of pumpkin spice latte libs who live in fancy neighborhoods and don't have to deal with any of this making the rules for the rest of us.
 
The massive issue here is judges letting people with 20+ felonies walk among us like nothing happened. It's crazy that this is even controversial. Sick and tired of pumpkin spice latte libs who live in fancy neighborhoods and don't have to deal with any of this making the rules for the rest of us.
To be fair what did you expect seing the reaction to George Floyd's death? They were praising a literal criminal who OD-ed.
 
The concept of getting arrested 91 times is simply beyond comprehension
I don't know how many time he was convicted in those 91 times (i suspect everytime), but to me more than 5 convictions means you are a career criminal. The problem nowdays being criminality is actually a better career choice than anything else for a lot of the dumbest people, since they can make money quick and when caught they aren't really punished.

Might be talking out of my ass but I remember in France we had some weird pakistani guys (or indians) that used to push people toward the coming trains in subway stations. Extremely dangerous shit. There must have been 3 or 4 cases and each time the guy was deemed insane or whatever and not really punished. Until one day, some "insane" dude tried it but the guy pushed back and the "insane" dude fell and got crushed by the train.

I never once heard about anyone pushing people toward a coming train since then.
 
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Problem with the death penalty isn't that it exists, it's that it takes DECADES to serve. Enact it 1 month after sentencing and watch the effect it has.

Most of the time yeah, but sometimes we get lucky. One of The Beltway Sniper (John Muhammad) guys got executed pretty damn quick. We didn't have to wait long for McVeigh either.
 
No, we don't. We ban the death penalty because even one innocent death (and there have been a lot more than that) is not worth it.
If you go look at those cases there were sketch to begin with (if you believe this article is accurately representing the case). These days the sheer amount of electronic data makes a lot of "I wasn't even there" defenses pretty easy to corroborate. Pure "I say he did it" witness testimony is stuff that shouldn't carry the DP in most cases.

 


Sorry if this is OT but it came across my feed and I was like LMAO that dude literally used Charlotte NC as the example to compare with Tokyo

Bruh if you had people stacked up like they are in Tokyo but with American or European level crime, what you would have is Megacity One and you would need Judge Dredd to manage that

Is this guy saying that the majority of Tokyo is populated by single gay males?
 
I moved somewhere that I don't have to deal with that element anymore and its been the best decision I ever made. People don't look at you with constant side-eyes, random sketchy dudes walking up "aye white boy, lemme get a dollar." etc. Can't believe I dealt with that half my life. I would literally see a fight or hear gunshots at least once a month. 2 people in our extended family were murdered in shootings.
 
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I moved somewhere that I don't have to deal with that element anymore and its been the best decision I ever made. People don't look at you with constant side-eyes, random sketchy dudes walking up "aye white boy, lemme get a dollar." etc. Can't believe I dealt with that half my life. I would literally see a fight or hear gunshots at least once a month. 2 people in our family were murdered in shootings. Never again.
The problem with this attitude is that the criminal element only grows. As the "good people" move away it strands the less fortunate and the cancer spreads. Cities have operated this way for DECADES and you can see how it eats the heart right out.

You can actually squash most crime pretty quickly if you just set boundaries, enforce them, and LOCK UP THE CRIMINALS. Like, it's not hard, it's a relatively small population of ridiculous repeat offenders over and over. Just imprison those fools and throw away the key.
 
Her death kind of gave me flashes of riding the metro into downtown Atlanta this summer. I was the only white guy on the train pretty much every time or in the carriages I went in.

One time a homeless guy asking me for money. Don't get me wrong I didn't care and people seemed friendly. It was very obvious I was a tourist.
 
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