MarkMe2525
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In my eyes, a 6 year console cycle is just right. Enough time for devs to get a grip of the hardware, enough time for tech to allow for a worthwhile upgrade, at console price points.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Trust me I am not saying its a great idea or the fact that I am in favor of it as in no way am I cheerleading this
I also don't want people to shoot the messenger here but with all that said.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
That was back when it took 3 years to make a game. You could have released two titles per studio in that time. But these days it takes 4, 5, even 6 years to make a game, which makes your timeline difficult.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Oh yeah, I am not at all disagreeing with you. You just tell us info and I appreciate that.Trust me I am not saying its a great idea or the fact that I am in favor of it as in no way am I cheerleading this
I also don't want people to shoot the messenger here but with all that said.
Remember, I insisted for years that Series S is never going to be a thing, because of how bad an idea it would be. And then Xbox made it happen anyways. So at this point "what is the best idea" and "what would Xbox Do" is basically two circles with no overlap.
"Starting next gen early so they can dump Series S support" was something I hypothesized too, during the Baldur's Gate 3 fiasco.
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MisterXDTV
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By late 2026 Xbox HW sales will have dropped to zero...
LOL
LOL
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If they're going to update GTA VI for any possible mid-gen consoles releasing in a year or so, whatever updates that'll have will roll to the next gen and clear out the performance deficiencies and/or run at the higher ends of the visual settings.
That sounds like a fair enough reason.
For me...
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rhodesianshepard
Member
Yeah possibly. I'm not even expecting them to do much with PS5 pro. The biggest reason you won't see big improvements for Next gen Xbox is because Rockstar will want to sell a next gen version probably 2-3 years after release. It's not in their financial interest to improve upon current gen versionIf they're going to update GTA VI for any possible mid-gen consoles releasing in a year or so, whatever updates that'll have will roll to the next gen and clear out the performance deficiencies and/or run at the higher ends of the visual settings.
That sounds like a fair enough reason.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Oh that is a given. We're gonna be seeing GTA VI in stores until the mid 2030s.
And also various new ports of RE4 if history is anything to go by.
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reinking
Gold Member
I thought it was Xbox Series Y?
I am looking forward to seeing the specs/details. So many different rumors about what it is going to be have piqued my interest. If they just toss another box out there, I am probably going to pass but I have hope that is not the case.
Oppoi
Member
Oh you just had to rub that in, you might as well beg for a switch version!Too early in my opinion.
Besides, the Series S barely had time to show its true power!
midnightAI
Member
It could also be the biggest price leap for a next gen system.
But anyway, take their comments with a pinch of salt
nosoynadie22
Gold Member
Why so many leaks in one week?
ByWatterson
Member
They keep pumping hardware instead of GAMEZZZ. Lies of Phil strikes again.
And now they're gonna guarantee a hardware disadvantage if Sony moves even a year later.
Unless they're going after Nintendo and Valve this time? Dunno. Aimless company, feckless execs.
Kssio_Aug
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
The console gen that never really happened, permanently fucked in the as sby Covid and will never fully recover.
You can find them at Wal-Mart, but I think you STILL can never find a series X or PS5 at my local Target lmao, they probably don't even bother to order any.
We got in 3 years what we'll probably be middle aged before we get again, 3 GTAs, let that sink in, I'll probably be 50 before GTA7 is even a glimmer in anyone's eye.
You can find them at Wal-Mart, but I think you STILL can never find a series X or PS5 at my local Target lmao, they probably don't even bother to order any.
Don't you kinda hate that you can have a pretty clear idea what the 2030s will be like? that really makes me cringe.
We got in 3 years what we'll probably be middle aged before we get again, 3 GTAs, let that sink in, I'll probably be 50 before GTA7 is even a glimmer in anyone's eye.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
I think this is 100% happening and that Discord leak from back in January this year was on the money about MS's future plans.
However, I think it's going to be a bit different than a "Windows Gaming PC" box, like I was feeling to be the case earlier.
Reason being, it'd be a LOT harder to "bring Xbox to Windows", than the other way around. The Xbox OS provides securities from application tampering that Windows doesn't, and adding Xbox console experience features to Windows would require doing a ton of compatibility tests to ensure stuff in the kernel doesn't go haywire and the OS doesn't break. Getting that up and going in full could take upwards several years, at least way later than 2026.
OTOH, bringing Windows-like features to the Xbox OS would be significantly easier. Quasi-sandboxing Windows applications that are whitelisted to install and run on an Xbox device through the Windows Store would take less effort, and have more built-in security. Getting native app versions of Steam, GOG, EGS etc. on the Xbox OS wouldn't require too much work from Valve & others, especially if Microsoft were to work with them. Since those would be trusted launchers, they'd have the same level of system access as the Xbox Store currently does, or at least just about.
This setup would also still allow them to license out a spec blueprint, Xbox OS, and the UI frontend to OEMs who'd like to build their own variants. You still have the console feel and user experience, choice of optional storefronts (is it possible Microsoft could charge a small subscription to Xbox owners for continual access to those storefronts on their next-gen Xbox device? Could be a good way of making it financially viable without pricing the hardware TOO high, and cover risks in people buying games outside of the Xbox Store), potentially modular performance upgrades (depending on the form factor), and potentially OEM variants (i.e a next-gen "SEGA Xbox" with a custom UI frontend and some other SEGA-specific features built-in).
I think the addressable market for that is both larger and clearer to communicate towards than the "Windows-based Xbox gaming PCs" I was originally thinking of, while also being a lot more feasible to pull off in time for a next generation.
Guess we'll see what happens.
However, I think it's going to be a bit different than a "Windows Gaming PC" box, like I was feeling to be the case earlier.
Reason being, it'd be a LOT harder to "bring Xbox to Windows", than the other way around. The Xbox OS provides securities from application tampering that Windows doesn't, and adding Xbox console experience features to Windows would require doing a ton of compatibility tests to ensure stuff in the kernel doesn't go haywire and the OS doesn't break. Getting that up and going in full could take upwards several years, at least way later than 2026.
OTOH, bringing Windows-like features to the Xbox OS would be significantly easier. Quasi-sandboxing Windows applications that are whitelisted to install and run on an Xbox device through the Windows Store would take less effort, and have more built-in security. Getting native app versions of Steam, GOG, EGS etc. on the Xbox OS wouldn't require too much work from Valve & others, especially if Microsoft were to work with them. Since those would be trusted launchers, they'd have the same level of system access as the Xbox Store currently does, or at least just about.
This setup would also still allow them to license out a spec blueprint, Xbox OS, and the UI frontend to OEMs who'd like to build their own variants. You still have the console feel and user experience, choice of optional storefronts (is it possible Microsoft could charge a small subscription to Xbox owners for continual access to those storefronts on their next-gen Xbox device? Could be a good way of making it financially viable without pricing the hardware TOO high, and cover risks in people buying games outside of the Xbox Store), potentially modular performance upgrades (depending on the form factor), and potentially OEM variants (i.e a next-gen "SEGA Xbox" with a custom UI frontend and some other SEGA-specific features built-in).
I think the addressable market for that is both larger and clearer to communicate towards than the "Windows-based Xbox gaming PCs" I was originally thinking of, while also being a lot more feasible to pull off in time for a next generation.
Guess we'll see what happens.
cash_longfellow
Member
More like made by aliens if they want it to succeed after everything MS goes multiplat.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Your argument failed when the whole point is for Xbox to stop spending money on hardware by having someone else make it.
Your desire for Xbox to survive as a machine is clouding your judgement.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
So you're saying there won't be a next-gen Xbox? That is perfectly possible, and I have no horse in this race.
However, I'm still under the impression there is going to be some next-gen hardware. Given a lot of the chatter about them wanting to be more "open", but still in flux it seems about certain directions to move in, something with more PC-like openness and functionality is likely. Maybe some changes to the business model, while still having the secureness of console hardware), could be the approach they're taking.
And, making Xbox more like a PC would be monumentally easier than making Windows have the UI & secure experience of an Xbox console.
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digoutyoursoul
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They are getting criticised
bender
What time is it?
That dude
HeisenbergFX4
thinks this is a great idea and has been cheerleading this for months. Let's shoot the messenger.
HeisenbergFX4
thinks this is a great idea and has been cheerleading this for months. Let's shoot the messenger.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
That dude
bender
What time is it?
Punished Miku
Member
Not at all. Its pretty much all win.
If you've been playing Xbox and enjoyed it, you'll just keep doing that. Only your hardware will get a huge boost. You'll have access to pretty much every PS and PC exclusive. You'll have cheaper game prices. You'll keep GP. And you might even lose paid online. Almost no downside really except it'll be expensive up front compared to consoles.
People into PS5 and PS6 can keep playing that. No one really loses anything.
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Games Bookstore
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This makes sense as multi prong strategy.
Microsoft's ambition that every device is an xbox, just like what Netflix is whether it be a PC, TV, phone, console etc
So if they release a new Xbox in 2026 and it leapfrogs the competition like what x360 did to PS3 initially, they win.
Likewise if the new xbox sells similar units to Series consoles, but they leverage their software sales on PC Switch 2 and PS5/6 they win.
If their subscription services and cloud gaming users increase significantly and more users are playing through their smart phone, smart TV rumoured xbox handheld etc. they win.
It's not difficult to see what they are trying to do, saleswise it makes a lot of sense. The reality of the situation is that Xbox has lost a lot of goodwill and trust in the brand has hit an all time low. Whether gamers will flock back to Xbox or stick with Playstation, Nintendo and PC remains to be seen.
Microsoft's ambition that every device is an xbox, just like what Netflix is whether it be a PC, TV, phone, console etc
So if they release a new Xbox in 2026 and it leapfrogs the competition like what x360 did to PS3 initially, they win.
Likewise if the new xbox sells similar units to Series consoles, but they leverage their software sales on PC Switch 2 and PS5/6 they win.
If their subscription services and cloud gaming users increase significantly and more users are playing through their smart phone, smart TV rumoured xbox handheld etc. they win.
It's not difficult to see what they are trying to do, saleswise it makes a lot of sense. The reality of the situation is that Xbox has lost a lot of goodwill and trust in the brand has hit an all time low. Whether gamers will flock back to Xbox or stick with Playstation, Nintendo and PC remains to be seen.
Audiophile
Member
I just hope Sony are set on 2028 and stick with it regardless of MS' plans. Want that mature N2P goodness, chiplets and a proper jump in tech.
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Pelta88
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HeisenbergFX4
and those who love upgraded specs (as is their right) aside. Has anyone considered the PR disaster that would follow just a few choice words from their competition? Something like…“We’re not abandoning a generation of customers because we failed at bringing games to the fore.”
Would stamp out any momentum XB was trying to build by starting a new gen, two years early. A simple statement like the above would have the broader market like…
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Dacvak
No one shall be brought before our LORD David Bowie without the true and secret knowledge of the Photoshop. For in that time, so shall He appear.
The PS6 is probably a 2027 release. I’m wondering if Microsoft is gonna end up in a Dreamcast situation… could be pretty bad for them if their next console isn’t a total home run.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Xbox need something in the near term. Unfortunately "making new games" is not something you can do on short notice anymore. This might be a case of the only option available, even if it was going to be a disaster.And, making Xbox more like a PC would be monumentally easier than making Windows have the UI & secure experience of an Xbox console.
The only thing easier is to not make it at all and have someone else make it for you. Notice that Microsoft sells Windows, not PCs.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I mean with everything being cross gen game wise I don't see how its abandoning anyone
“We’re not abandoning a generation of customers because we failed at bringing games to the fore.”
Would stamp out any momentum XB was trying to build by starting a gen two years early. A simple statement like the above would have the broader market like…
Heck we still haven't "abandoned" last gen yet
bender
What time is it?
There is another, much more obvious, option though.
Punished Miku
Member
If they actually manage to get all Xbox purchases on PC it will be the least abandoned console ecosystem ever. No one's done that. Xbox at that point will just be a log in for a software interface on PC like Steam. I just think people dont get it. Its essentially a round about way to get you dual entitlements on everything.
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bender
What time is it?
Punished Miku
Member
We'll see. Even if they manage to get 50% that is probably saving me $6000.All?
bender
What time is it?
I guess it depends on your library split of 1st/3rd party games.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
I think the Xbox department realized they can't wait for this gen to end naturally. They need to organize the exit plans now, or they are going to have a disaster on their hands when an inevitable bad quarter cause the Microsoft CEOs to suddenly go "Tango Gameworks" on their combined asses on a random Tuesday. While they are still running with budgets left, they had to organize their own funeral.
Pelta88
Member
Perhaps. But we've seen the actual stats as laid out via MS to regulators and in court docs. In every metric and newly created obfuscated metric, they’ve failed in every aspect of their gaming business.
The opening they’ll create by starting a new gen, because they couldn’t compete in the previous gen, would push them into the abyss of irrelevance. If that “abandonment” by a corp/conglomerate that doesn’t give a shit about its customers (which we know to be true) takes hold. It’d be worse than the XB1 launch debacle. I mean, they started this gen with a slew of lofty promises and delivered or fulfilled a grand total of none. The pitfalls of pivoting, irrespective of how they frame it, are too steep to consider. They don’t have the mindshare to even contemplate it imo.
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Mr.Phoenix
Member
If I were Sony, I would announce and do my road to PS6 showcase a week before the Next Xbox release. And then release the PS6 one year from that day.
Technically, if they release in 2026, that's about when console generations naturally end. 6 years. It's the PS4 and PS3 gens that stretched the generations out to 7 years.
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bender
What time is it?
Which is the other, more obvious option and not more hardware.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Sony doesn't take Xbox into account for their PlayStation plans anymore. That is how little Xbox matters to them. I really need a replacement competitor to show up so Sony can be stressed again, Xbox already failed.
I assume the new hardware would be made by third parties. Basically even if it crashed and burned, current Xbox employees would have washed their hands of it and fired themselves by then.
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Punished Miku
Member
It doesnt even matter anymore. There is no Xbox at that point. It will be a software storefront available on all PCs. Its like saying they should announce PS6 a week before PC. PC is already there.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
That was funny.
But seriously though, now that I think of it. With EVERYTHING Microsoft makes being on PC day and date and game pass... why is there even an Xbox? I mean, we can't even say its for the value proposition, because you can get a PC that cost less, the same, or more than any Xbox.
Punished Miku
Member
Xbox is their attempt to run a closed ecosystem exclusively on their hardware. That's done.