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The Nintendo 64 Appreciation/Collecting/Emulation Thread.

ResidentDante

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On the topic of Doom 64:

It wasn't an amazing game IMO, below par compared to Turok let alone Goldeneye. Like another poster above me said, the graphics weren't really fitting of the expectations on the N64, and when you had games like Quake making decent ports across then i think Doom 64 fell behind fast.

Though the intro sequence remains one of my favourites - definitely check this out if you aren't familiar with it.
That intro was very cool! I agree though, I think Doom 64 fell behind for example the Quake port. I remember my neighbour thinking of buying Doom 64 (we were both huge Doom fans) but then Quake came out and we forgot about it. Quake deathmatch on 64 was really fun!
 

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I sold all my n64 stuff to fund the ps2 back at launch, but I have been getting my favorite stuff slowly. Will take some pics later.

Also no one is talking about emulation, hehe, other than being able to up res the games there are also weird mods that are amazing, like playing perfect dark with a mouse and keyboard, playing some games spanned in 3 screens or replacing textures.



Im currently having trouble running Mystical Ninja starring goemon at full speed and was looking for some help.
 

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N64 gets a lot of hate, but it was bar none my favorite console and when I get nostalgic about gaming, it's usually about this system. Super Mario 64, GoldenEye 007, and The Legend of Zelda, The Ocarina of time is something of a holy trinity for me.
 

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Pick this guy up yesterday and spent an hour cleaning everything this morning. Can't wait to get the shiny snowboarder again!

 

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I'm trying to get my hands on a RGB modable system. I've got one of the clear grey colored ones that I'd like to try and trade for one that can be modded. If anyone wants to trade ill pay for shipping for both of us. I do still have the matching controller as well.
 

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I'm still bummed Retron 5 isn't supporting this console.
 

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IIRC, there has been a major update to project 64 since i last attempted it on w7/64 so its possible it works fine now
Thanks will try it and post results, btw im trying to play on a really small pc I use to watch netflix, so it might be the hardware but I can play games like Banjo no problem so who knows.
 
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I sold all my n64 stuff to fund the ps2 back at launch, but I have been getting my favorite stuff slowly. Will take some pics later.

Also no one is talking about emulation, hehe, other than being able to up res the games there are also weird mods that are amazing, like playing perfect dark with a mouse and keyboard, playing some games spanned in 3 screens or replacing textures.



Im currently having trouble running Mystical Ninja starring goemon at full speed and was looking for some help.
Haha, this is amazing. For some reason the scary-looking Homer-doll brings it all together.
 

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Also no one is talking about emulation, hehe, other than being able to up res the games there are also weird mods that are amazing, like playing perfect dark with a mouse and keyboard, playing some games spanned in 3 screens or replacing textures.
Nice setup :D The first re-texture mod that comes to mind is Djipi's remarkable hi-res 'Celda' cell-shaded Zelda: OoT. There's a great article on it here, amongst other re-textures.

Some screenshots:

Also I've never felt comfortable using a keyboard and mouse for Perfect Dark, I stick to the original controller and a '1.2' control scheme (my fav :D).

But to this day there is no perfect N64 emulation right?
I believe for most games emulator's such as Project64 can achieve near-perfect emulation, but there are a few games which need specific (and up-to-date) video plugins for some features to display correctly. Jabo released a v1.6.1 patch which brings some of the improvements from the Project64 1.7 beta to v1.6. Feel free to clarify if someone has more info.
 

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Imo N64 emulation is far from perfect. There is also the issue about which setup is the best. There are many N64 emulators and plugins which makes it difficult to determine the best one.

There are games that run better on Muppen, other games that run better on PJ64 or 1964, some need an older version of PJ64, etc. I currently have 5 different emulators and setups to cover most games while for other platforms i only need 2 at worst. The new PJ64 2.1 version also have issues with timing so you can't get rid of 1.6 unless you test all games one by one throughfully until you determine the correct settings yourself. You also need 2 or 3 different audio plugins and even more graphics plugins (Glide, Jabo, Rice, etc). Its a mess.
 

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yaaaaaaaaaaaay finally

N64 is the best system ever made. So many GREAT games.

I hope to have a complete N64 collection someday. The library is small and the carts are cheap, so it's perfect for someone with a low income like me!

My collection (I'm going to take a pic soon):

Super Mario 64
Ocarina of Time
Majora's Mask
Goldeneye 007
Perfect Dark
Diddy Kong Racing
Banjo Kazooie
Banjo Tooie
Donkey Kong 64
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Mario Party
Mario Party 2
Mario Kart 64
Pokemon Stadium
Pokemon Stadium 2
Pokemon Snap
Resident Evil 2
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater
WWF No Mercy
Mario Tennis
Super Smash Bros
NFL Blitz 2000

There are some obvious ones missing, like Star Fox 64, because BACK IN MY DAY we used to rent games from Blockbuster. I rented and finished Star Fox 64 multiple times, along with a bunch of other games, so never ended up buying them. I'm going to fix that soon.

GOD N64 IS SO GOOD
 

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Also let me be the first to recommend the 64drive flash cartridge. It's really great. It has a slick interface which is really easy to use. It supports every game except for Banjo Tooie, although I think that game just recently got cracked so maybe it does work with the cracked ROM now. I haven't tried it since I don't own that game. It also lets you play any region game on any region N64. You can even play NTSC games at 60hz on a PAL system, which makes the image quality a bit better on the PAL N64. I don't think it becomes as good as the NTSC N64s though, but still a good bit sharper from what I've noticed.

And of course you can play ROM hacks as well, although unfortunately most ROM hacks are made on and for emulators. N64 emulators are still very inaccurate, mostly working by optimizing for specific games to run in them by high level emulation instead of actually emulating the hardware correctly, so most of the hacks I've tried haven't worked correctly because they use emulator specific tricks. That's also why a lot of the less popular games still don't run very well in N64 emulators. One really great hack that does work on real hardware is GoldenEye:X, which is a sort of remake of GoldenEye using the Perfect Dark engine and all that comes with it. For multiplayer it's infinitely better than regular GoldenEye.

Another cool thing I've played around with are the leaked debug versions of OoT and MM. And also demos from the demoscene which are always cool.

The only problem is the price. At $200 it's pretty damn steep so it's only for the really die hard N64 fans who want to play on original hardware I guess. There are cheaper alternatives though, such as the Everdrive 64 which I belive costs $100 and is also pretty excellent from what I hear. If you want to save on the wear and tear on the original cartridges and play games from any region, flash carts are really great.

It's really a shame about the IQ on the PAL N64s btw. They even managed to fuck up the S-Video output, somehow making it look worse than composite, with washed out colors and lost detail in bright parts etc. At least it was like that with the two S-Video cables I tried. Thankfully the composite output seems to be rather decent at least.

Absolutely brilliant system - in fact, I still have it hooked to my TV (looks pretty good through SCART) and have very recently been playing it.

...Until my official memory card erased my Goemon save.

Anyone (UK) know where I can get a reliable memory card or can they recommend me one? I picked up the officials thinking they would be a good bet (since my unofficial memory card/rumble pak dealie is permanently stuck on rumble now), but not so much.
The official ones are the best ones. The only problem is that they also have a battery to hold the save. So eventually they will lose the save files, although it can take many years. That's probably what happened to yours.


Edit: Oh and let me also recommend those new analog sticks that work more like the gamecube sticks. They're pretty great as well. You just open up the controller and replace the old stick. They are much smaller though, so things like precision aiming in shooters can be a little tricky. They can be found on ebay and the like.
 

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Imo N64 emulation is far from perfect. There is also the issue about which setup is the best. There are many N64 emulators and plugins which makes it difficult to determine the best one.

There are games that run better on Muppen, other games that run better on PJ64 or 1964, some need an older version of PJ64, etc. I currently have 5 different emulators and setups to cover most games while for other platforms i only need 2 at worst. The new PJ64 2.1 version also have issues with timing so you can't get rid of 1.6 unless you test all games one by one throughfully until you determine the correct settings yourself. You also need 2 or 3 different audio plugins and even more graphics plugins (Glide, Jabo, Rice, etc). Its a mess.

Yeah its pretty rough :(, its funny because I remember they got emulators running so soon after the n64 came out, who remembers UltraHLE with glide for the voodoo cards?

Anyway with some patience you can get almost any game running.
 

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Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Super Mario 64 still hold up very well today. Unfortunately, many other N64 classics, like GoldenEye, do not.

Still, overall, I think the AAA Nintendo 64 titles hold up better (and were always higher quality) than PS1's. With that said, I'm currently on a PS1 gaming binge!
 

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Nice setup :D The first re-texture mod that comes to mind is Djipi's remarkable hi-res 'Celda' cell-shaded Zelda: OoT. There's a great article on it here, amongst other re-textures.

Some screenshots:
oh my god, first time seeing this and i'd be temped to buy a repro cart just to play it

Also let me be the first to recommend the 64drive flash cartridge. It's really great. It has a slick interface which is really easy to use. It supports every game except for Banjo Tooie, although I think that game just recently got cracked so maybe it does work with the cracked ROM now. I haven't tried it since I don't own that game. It also lets you play any region game on any region N64. You can even play NTSC games at 60hz on a PAL system, which makes the image quality a bit better on the PAL N64. I don't think it becomes as good as the NTSC N64s though, but still a good bit sharper from what I've noticed.

And of course you can play ROM hacks as well, although unfortunately most ROM hacks are made on and for emulators. N64 emulators are still very inaccurate, mostly working by optimizing for specific games to run in them by high level emulation instead of actually emulating the hardware correctly, so most of the hacks I've tried haven't worked correctly because they use emulator specific tricks. That's also why a lot of the less popular games still don't run very well in N64 emulators. One really great hack that does work on real hardware is GoldenEye:X, which is a sort of remake of GoldenEye using the Perfect Dark engine and all that comes with it. For multiplayer it's infinitely better than regular GoldenEye.

Another cool thing I've played around with are the leaked debug versions of OoT and MM. And also demos from the demoscene which are always cool.

The only problem is the price. At $200 it's pretty damn steep so it's only for the really die hard N64 fans who want to play on original hardware I guess. There are cheaper alternatives though, such as the Everdrive 64 which I belive costs $100 and is also pretty excellent from what I hear. If you want to save on the wear and tear on the original cartridges and play games from any region, flash carts are really great.
okay, would celda work on this? also what's the difference between the $100/200 models, does the latter offer better compatibility?
 

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Another subscribed thread!

Guys I just bought a shinny N64, but I am kind worried about those cardboxes. How to protected them? Is there any kind of (cheap) plastic shell or bag that I should use to protected the games?
 

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Thanks will try it and post results, btw im trying to play on a really small pc I use to watch netflix, so it might be the hardware but I can play games like Banjo no problem so who knows.
just looked into it a bit, apparently there hasnt been a rice video release since pn64 2.0...i saw somebody recommend glide plugin which comes in the p64 2.0 install. i attempted Goemon and it runs decent on my laptop as long as i keep the resolution very low (like 600x400). ill attempt it on my real PC later

but yeah my most stable set up is still XP/pj64 1.6/ rice 6.1.4 and thats running on an old AMD dual core with integrated video
 

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Is there a way to play GoldenEye on two thumbsticks of DS3 for example, but in a way today's shooters are played? Move on left stick, aim and look on right? Thanx.
 

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I've still got my original imported US N64 with US SM64 and JPN MarioKart amongst many other games.

It's a pure joy to play although I'm surprised at how low the framerates sometimes are for SM64. I don't remember it being that bad back in the day. Not that it effect the overall game.

I going to pick up a N64 joypad adaptor for my PC.
 

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okay, would celda work on this? also what's the difference between the $100/200 models, does the latter offer better compatibility?
No I don't think Celda or other texture hacks will work on original hardware at all because the textures are higher res than what the actual N64 can handle. Those hacks are made for emulators only unfortunately.

As for the differences.. I'm not really sure actually. I think the Everdrive also has very good compatibility which is what really matters anyway. Looking at it I'd say the Everdrive 64 is probably enough for most people. Although I see now that it's $99 for the PCB only. Then it's +$15 for a CIC-6102 lockout chip for NTSC units, and +$15 for a US cartridge shell. For PAL it's +$17*2. I'm also not sure if the Everdrive lets you play games at 60hz on a PAL console, although for someone with an NTSC console that wouldn't matter much anyway.

Newer firmwares on the 64drive has a memory pak manager that lets you have 4 virtual memory paks that you can switch between so you'd only need one actual memory pak, although I haven't tried that feature out myself yet. And if you're coding something for the N64 the 64drive has an API that lets you access the memory card for more storage.
 

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I love my N64. Still play GoldenEye, recently discovered Perfect Dark was a much better game than I'd remembered, and Mario 64, Mario Kart and the Zelda games are still great fun to play. Some parts have aged (particularly the FPS') but all of them remain fun and offer a degree of freedom and flexibility which modern games tend to minimise.
 

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Anyone ever play Mickey's Speedway USA? I played that game for hours and hours on end. It had amazing Bot based multiplayer unlike Diddy Kong Racing or Mario Kart 64.
 

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Is there a way to play GoldenEye on two thumbsticks of DS3 for example, but in a way today's shooters are played? Move on left stick, aim and look on right? Thanx.
That's one of the advantages of emulation - you can set up the controls anyway you like. I played Goldeneye recently using a 360 controller and traditional dual thumbstick controls for movement/looking.
 

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I believe the following games still aren't properly emulated and don't really boot at all:
Battle for Naboo
World Driver Championship
Indiana Jones

A lot of other games are still really buggy or slow
 

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Anyone ever play Mickey's Speedway USA? I played that game for hours and hours on end. It had amazing Bot based multiplayer unlike Diddy Kong Racing or Mario Kart 64.
My first N64 game! So good. 4P Battle Mode was crazy fun.

My collection:

Mystical Ninja starring Goemon
Mickey's Speedway USA
Diddy Kong Racing
Pokemon Snap
Pokemon Stadium 2
Mario Kart 64
Mischief Makers
Blast Corps
Lylat Wars
Space Station Silicon Valley
Superman 64
Pilotwings 64
F-Zero X
Wipeout 64
Bomberman Hero
Jet Force Gemini
Donkey Kong 64
Yoshi's Story
Pokemon Stadium
Lego Racers
Body Harvest
Mario Party 2
Wave Race 64
Pokemon Puzzle League
Paper Mario
Star Wars Battle for Naboo
Super Mario 64
Turok
1080° Snowboarding

Not complete by any stretch.
 

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Anyone ever play Mickey's Speedway USA? I played that game for hours and hours on end. It had amazing Bot based multiplayer unlike Diddy Kong Racing or Mario Kart 64.
I played it on an emulator and the one thing i didn't like was the track design. Most (if not all) tracks were too short and weren't as memorable as in Diddy Kong Racing and they were somewhat featureless, imo.
 

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That is ace, GulAtiCa. Custom ordered cases?

I played it on an emulator and the one thing i didn't like was the track design. Most (if not all) tracks were too short and weren't as memorable or as in Diddy Kong Racing and they were somewhat featureless, imo.
The tracks were very linear and hard to navigate, but they sure were pretty. It was fun just looking at the sights, but they were more of a theme park ride than fair track designs.
 

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Nice thread! One of my favorite consoles, and home to one of my all time favorite games: Paper Mario.
 

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My first N64 game! So good. 4P Battle Mode was crazy fun.

My collection:

Mystical Ninja starring Goemon
Mickey's Speedway USA
Diddy Kong Racing
Pokemon Snap
Pokemon Stadium 2
Mario Kart 64
Mischief Makers
Blast Corps
Lylat Wars
Space Station Silicon Valley
Superman 64
Pilotwings 64
F-Zero X
Wipeout 64
Bomberman Hero
Jet Force Gemini
Donkey Kong 64
Yoshi's Story
Pokemon Stadium
Lego Racers
Body Harvest
Mario Party 2
Wave Race 64
Pokemon Puzzle League
Paper Mario
Star Wars Battle for Naboo
Super Mario 64
Turok
1080° Snowboarding

Not complete by any stretch.
That's a quality line up you got there. :)
 

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Wonderful console, and the second one I owned after the SNES. Got it on Christmas of 97' with only Mario and Star Fox 64, and I went on to play the latter for at least an hour a week, every week, for 7 years. SS64 blindfolded was pretty fun, like a radio show I could control :p

Though the library was comparatively small, it wasn't left wanting for quality. It was also the first console I imported for (Evangelion 64, which I still think has its moments). Helped me through the long gaps in NA releases.

Question though, how many games on it were truly 2d? Ogre Battle 64 used prerendered models, as did Yoshi's Story. The only one that comes to mind is Wonder Project J2, which even then used a couple of 3d models. Still, that game leads me to believe the N64 was quite the capable 2d system; I'd post a video of Josette's sprite walking towards the screen, but I'm at work. Didn't play it until a couple of years ago, but I was impressed 0_o.

Edit: On second thought: Still cool!
 

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Question though, how many games on it were truly 2d? Ogre Battle 64 used prerendered models, as did Yoshi's Story. The only one that comes to mind is Wonder Project J2, which even then used a couple of 3d models. Still, that game leads me to believe the N64 was quite the capable 2d system;
Check out Mischief Makers and Bangai O.
 

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Ahh, N64 - this and the PSX got me into the more technical/hardware knowledge part of gaming.

I still have one of these, and I have a few games:

- Mario 64
- Smash Bros
- Space Station Silicon Valley
- Zelda: Ocarina of Time
- Winback
- WCW/NWO World Tour
- Rampage World Tour
- Mario Kart 64

I used to have a lot more games, but they've seemingly disappeared into my parents' attic or something.

The days and nights of multiplayer fun I had with this machine and my brother and friends can NEVER be replicated - that time was priceless, and the system will always be great because of that.
 

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An amazing system attached to some of the best gaming memories I have. While it only had an overall modest sized library of games, it was dense with some of the best ever made.

I'll never forget the N64 launch day either. I slept in and missed out when I went to my local Target to pick one up. I called everyone else with no luck; that is until I happened into a cancelled pre-order at Montgomery Wards, of all places. With the system in hand, I still faced the challenge of obtaining a copy of Super Mario 64, which was sold out everywhere in town. Luckilly, my mom went shopping out of town that day and knew of my plight. When she came home and pulled that colorful box out of her shopping bag, I was exstatic! Here I was, completely distressed not seven hours earlier at the prospect of not being a launch owner, playing the mighty N64 and one of the most influential pieces of gaming software to have ever released. It's truely the stuff of legends!
 

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Here are my Nintendo published Japanese games. I missed out on tons though. Perfect Dark JP version had an interesting cover.

In the pic you'll see my signed Shindo Super Mario 64 and Shindo Wave Race (not signed). These versions meant that they worked with the N64 Rumble Pack and had vibrations.

Apologies if the pic is too large, posting all this and taking shots from my phone.

Wow. Those are beauties.
 

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I'll never forget the N64 launch day either...
Nice story. I remember the 64 was sold out in most places, and I didn't have the money for the system anyway but my Aunt had got me Super Mario 64 for Christmas. I set up a table next to my TV and had Mario sitting there in some sort of empty shrine for TWO MONTHS until I could scrounge up enough cash for the system. I sold my Super Nintendo and games to my friend's sister for $90, that helped.

Finally in February, after my birthday, I had the money. I called the local Wal-Mart and asked if they had any in stock. They said they had TWO. I asked if they could please hold one for me. They said, no!
I scrambled and demanded my Dad drive me down there right away because, "They're going to sell out again!"
We arrived and I ran to the electronics department only to see two people with a 64 system walking toward the register. Frazzled, I pushed forward down the isle and was relieved to find the other one still there. I bought it and was very happy that day. It was the first console I bought with my own cash, so that was a good feeling.