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The Official 2010 Winter Olympics Thread - "Angry Wayne Gretzky is Angry" Edition

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qwertybob said:
The problem is the stupid name, unless they own the podium it will be considered failure even if it isn't :lol
Realistically, Canada had a low chance of getting the number one spot in the medal count coming into the games. Most of that was just hype because they're on own home turf.

But we still have a good chance to come away with an impressive medal haul. All the people getting hung up on the name need to readjust their thinking.

Is the name presumptuous? Yes. But it's obviously not supposed to be the main focus on the campaign. Canadian athletes need the support that they were sorely lacking and now it's finally happening. We, as a nation need to ease up on the pressure we're putting on the athletes. The kind of perfection some people are expecting is excessive.
 
The US doesn't have many opportunities to medal. All the remaining events are not suited to their strengths.

Cross Country Skiing/Biathalon/Freestyle Skiing are what dominates and the Americans are not strong in any of those events.

Realistically the best chances America has for medals is in Short Track. Vonn has a good chance in Alpine since no ones really been stepping up, but Giant Slalom/Slalom are her weakest evens.

US could realistically only get 5 or 6 medals the rest of the olympics.
 
This skating event looks so pimp with the little glove tips and the tight turns and whatnot.
 
talisayNon said:
The US doesn't have many opportunities to medal. All the remaining events are not suited to their strengths.

Cross Country Skiing/Biathalon/Freestyle Skiing are what dominates and the Americans are not strong in any of those events.

Realistically the best chances America has for medals is in Short Track. Vonn has a good chance in Alpine since no ones really been stepping up, but Giant Slalom/Slalom are her weakest evens.

US could realistically only get 5 or 6 medals the rest of the olympics.
Don't think that is really all that accurate. The US has realistic medal chances left in ice dancing, bobsled, Nordic combined, hockey, as well as alpine skiing. They should be good for more than 5-6 medals
 
Honestly, I think tomorrow's going to be the breaking point for Canada.

Canada VS US.

If we win, then there's going to be a wave of renewed support and hope for the rest of the games.

If we lose... then we're pretty much fucked.
 
80% of my interest/care has gone to curling, and right now Canada is rocking that in men's and women's, so Canada is fine by me.
 
schuelma said:
Don't think that is really all that accurate. The US has realistic medal chances left in ice dancing, bobsled, Nordic combined, hockey, as well as alpine skiing. They should be good for more than 5-6 medals

I'm putting 5-6 in the low end for us. :D

I have no idea how we're so good at Nordic Combined all of a sudden this year. Wish we could breath the same life into our X-Country/Biathalon/SKI JUMP programs. We cut off funding for our Ski Jumping team this year. They're not part of our alpine program.

I think someone will always step up in Speed Skating/Short Track events for us. Same with Snow Board/Ice Skating/Hockey etc.

Alpine Skiing we've been lucky thanks to retirees and Vonnster and Mancuso. And Bode.

We need to improve in luge. And curling. But the solution is easy for that; shoot the two fatties and we improve our team anywhere by 50-70%.

I'm going to be overwhelmed with joy once we finally get a medal in the 50 km Cross Country event. I've always loved watching that as a kid and hoping we can get some American to finish top 3. I'd trade that for anything.
 
Why are Canadians complaining? These things take time to work. At this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if Canadians started out-medaling us Americans by 2075.
 
I kind of wonder why we aren't better in some of those events. Don't we have mountain men that live in like Utah? Shouldn't they be able to go nuts?
 
Dice said:
80% of my interest/care has gone to curling, and right now Canada is rocking that in men's and women's, so Canada is fine by me.

6-0 for Men's, 4-0 for Women's.

We're definitely medalling for those two. Likely golds.
 
Y2Kev said:
I kind of wonder why we aren't better in some of those events. Don't we have mountain men that live in like Utah? Shouldn't they be able to go nuts?
Mormons tend to stay away from snowy peaks.

It's actually due to utter lack of funding and interest, though. No one gives a fuck about the Nordic sports here and they barely get any money. Hell, just ten years ago the skiers were still waxing their own shit while everyone else had assistants for that stuff. It's only recently that they started getting a bit of cash.
 
Y2Kev said:
I kind of wonder why we aren't better in some of those events. Don't we have mountain men that live in like Utah? Shouldn't they be able to go nuts?

Yea I wonder that too. Aren't there people in this country that cross country ski to the grocery store? Shouldn't at least one have won a medal by now?
 
Someone should do a tally of 4th/5th place finishes among different countries. Canada probably fares quite well. It also helps explain our ONE bronze medal, while the U.S., for example, has TEN.

I can't believe so many Canadians here are hitting the panic button. Already. This is ludicrous. There are several days left. And Canada is still doing quite well. The U.S. is having an amazing Olympics, though, so Canada's performance probably looks much weaker to some. But what do you expect from a country with 308 million people? Germany and Norway are generally the kings of Winter and Korea is killing it because of their fucking speed skaters.

Enjoy these two weeks, guys. Enjoy the thrill of the competition and that Canadians are in contention as often as they are. It's still exciting, even if things occasionally end in disappointment.

Besides, we all know that the only thing that matters is men's hockey. :)
 
I'll say this though. We definitely won't beat the US in overall medals. But we have a pretty decent shot at overtaking them in Golds.

Men/Women's curling and Women's hockey all have a very realistic shot at winning gold, and I wouldn't pass the chance that we'll probably pick up some more from the other events.

The US is only leading because they have a ridiculous amount of bronze, with gold, Canada's 4 isn't too far off from their 6.
 
I'm getting tired of hearing about this bullshit that the Canada national mood will sour if they lose to the USA in a hockey game. Fuck you and your generalizations CTV.
 
I never took "Own the Podium" literally. As if one government program is just gonna single handedly make Canada clean up at the Olympics.

Olympics are extremely competitive and hundredths of a second can determine whether you get a medal or go home empty handed, and other countries have some ridiculous talent.

I'm not gonna slam our athletes, these guys train for 4 years, balancing family and a full-time job only to have it all come down to a 30 second run.

We've had some bad luck, some good luck ... and I think CTV overhyped our chances for some events.

It's a lot of fun and it's not over yet.
 
KernelPanic said:
We've had some bad luck, some good luck ... and I think CTV overhyped our chances for some events.

Given how much they spent to outbid the CBC, I'm sure they want you to believe that Canada will medal every night and that you should tune in to watch history in the making. :lol
 
By the way,

http://www.ctvolympics.ca/news-centre/newsid=4787.html
The German government spent about 214 million euros (C$339 million) on sport in 2008 and has 20 multi-sport Olympic centres across the country catering to its elite athletes. The Canadian government is spending a high of $166 million in 2008-09 and there are six sport centres from coast to coast.

And an interesting article on the USOC.
The USOC looks at what funding each sport’s national governing body (NGB) is already providing the athletes and, says English, “we augment their support. In some cases we’re more heavily funded than in others. Ski and snowboard does a good job of funding their high-performance program versus, say, speedskating. We do more funding on that than the NGB would.”

firehawk12 said:
Given how much they spent to outbid the CBC, I'm sure they want you to believe that Canada will medal every night and that you should tune in to watch history in the making. :lol
Exactly. I'm getting the impression that a lot of people have actually bought into it.
 
Socreges said:
Exactly. I'm getting the impression that a lot of people have actually bought into it.

I never bought into it, there have been a lot of top ranked Canadians who choked.

Then again world ranking means jack, a lot of top ranked athletes from other countries have failed as well.

But contrary to CTV, the only way the Hamelins would have owned the podium tonight would have been to pull a Steven Bradbury, and that's gonna happen again :lol
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/21/sports/olympics/21podium.html?hpw

Canadian Olympic officials very publicly announced long ago that they expected to “own the podium” and lead the medal count for the first time at an Olympics. Midway through these Winter Games, however, Canada sat in fourth place. The United States had more than twice as many medals. “Just don’t take the hockey one,” Dean Pirozzini said.

“Or the curling one,” his wife added.

Canada’s aggressive mining for medals looks certain not to pan out. A goal of winning 35 medals, 11 more than it earned at the 2006 Turin Games, appears as far-fetched as finding an unfriendly Olympic volunteer. As the Games approached, a more realistic 30 became the number bandied about, because Germany’s 29 led the medal table in 2006. Still, a newspaper, The Vancouver Sun, projected 39.

Through Saturday, the United States had stormed across the border and grabbed 23 medals, including six gold. (American athletes have mockingly suggested that they are renting the podium for a month.) Germany had 14, Norway 11, South Korea nine and Canada eight.

Through its $110 million Own the Podium program, Canada funneled resources to particular sports and athletes where it saw opportunity, and annoyed some foreign athletes by being stingy with access to venues for training. It spread word of its ambitions far and wide, a bold declaration that some felt was rather un-Canadian and unbecoming a proper host.

“We’re not that far behind where we thought we’d be,” said Nathalie Lambert, a three-time medalist in short-track speedskating in the 1990s, and an official for the Canadian Olympic Committee. “We’re still in contention.”

Officials believe that the final week of the Games, with medals to be awarded in events like hockey, curling and speedskating, could yield up to 12 more medals for the home team. The best-case finishes would still leave Canada behind its projections. And it is fair to wonder whether pressure has affected the athletes.

Mellisa Hollingsworth, a favorite for a gold medal in skeleton, cried when she finished fifth on Friday. “I feel like I let my whole country down,” Hollingsworth said.

Before these Games, Canada had never won a gold medal on home soil despite holding two previous Olympics — the 1988 Winter Games in Calgary, and the 1976 Summer Games in Montreal.

So the country fixed its collective gaze to the moguls skier Jennifer Heil, the defending Olympic gold medalist and four-time World Cup champion. Prime Minister Stephen Harper came to watch her compete on the first full day of the Games. But hope was doused by the American Hannah Kearney. Heil’s otherwise strong silver-medal performance felt like a national letdown.

A night later, without Harper in the stands, the mogulist Alexandre Bilodeau became the answer to a new nationwide trivia question by winning gold. Three other Canadians have captured gold.

Yet the first week of the Olympics was largely a series of disappointing finishes, penciled in medals that had to be erased. The speedskater Kristina Groves finished six-hundredths of a second from bronze in the 1,000 meters. The figure skater Patrick Chan, a medal favorite, finished fifth.

With 15 Canadians going for medals Saturday, they won none, the first day of the Games they had not earned a medal. They had three top-10 finishers in the men’s 30-kilometer pursuit cross-country race. In a five-man 1,000-meter final in short-track speedskating, the two Canadians in the race — the brothers Charles and Francois Hamelin — were passed on the last lap by the American Apolo Ohno for the bronze medal.

“We always said there should be a fourth medal,” Dean Pirozzini said while waiting in line at the mint. “Aluminum. We’d clean up in that.”
 
Through its $110 million Own the Podium program, Canada funneled resources to particular sports and athletes where it saw opportunity, and annoyed some foreign athletes by being stingy with access to venues for training. It spread word of its ambitions far and wide, a bold declaration that some felt was rather un-Canadian and unbecoming a proper host.
Didn't this turn out to be largely bullshit?

As for the bold declarations, I'm pretty sure they were never meant to be realistic and was more to draw in advertising and build hype across the country. Not to mention that any athletic goal is NOT the same as realistic expectations. It's an aspiration, not a measured estimate.
 
No medals today :( Was at Wings for the speed skating failures and everyone kinda sighed. Huge cheers when Martin made that final shot though :)

Curling has been a bit of a surprise for me this Olympics. Never paid attention to it aside from playing it once or twice a while ago.
 
Hamelins choked... *sigh*

However, I think you guys are a little bit too harsh on our athletes right now. Let us compare ourselves to our performance at Torino.

Torino's Gold:
Cross Country Skiing: Women's Sprint - Haven't played yet (are we a medal favourite ?)
Curling: Men - Probably will get Gold again
Freestyle Moguls: Women - Jennifer Heil got us a silver this year
Ice Hockey: Women - Looks like at Gold or maybe a Silver
Skeleton: Men - Won Gold again but no Silver.
Speed Skating: Women's 1,500m - Lost it today :(
Speed Skating: Women's 5,000m - Haven't played yet (are we a medal favourite ?)

Torino's Silver:
Bobsleigh: Two Men - Ughhhh I think we choked that one out today...
Cross Country Skiing: Women's Team Sprint - Haven't played yet (are we a medal favourite ?)
Short Track Speed Skating: Men's 500m - Haven't played yet (are we a medal favourite ?)
Short Track Speed Skating: Men's 5,000m Relay - Haven't played yet (Hamelins to choke it away again ???)
Short Track Speed Skating: Women's 3,000m Relay - Haven't played yet (I say we got a good chance for a Silver or possibly a Gold this year)
Speed Skating: Men's Team Pursuit - Haven't played yet (are we a medal favourite ?)
Speed Skating: Women's Team Pursuit - Haven't played yet (Possibly a Silver or Gold again this year)
Speed Skating: Women's 1,000m - Won Silver in Torino and Christine Nesbitt got us Gold this year :)
Speed Skating: Women's 1,500m - Haven't played yet (Possibly a Silver or Gold again this year)

Torino's Bronze:
Curling: Women: Probably will get Gold or Silver with the way our team is playing now
Figure Skating: Men Singles - lol Patrick Chan. No medal for us this year
Short Track Speed Skating: Women's 500m - Marianne St-Gelais won Silver for us !
Skeleton: Women - Ok we choked this one away :(
Snowboarding: Women's Snowboard Cross - Maelle Ricker got us GOOLLDDD !
Speed Skating: Women's 3,000m - Won Bronze in Torino and won Bronze again this year with Kristina Groves !
Speed Skating: Women's 5,000m - Haven't played yet (are we a medal favourite ?)

Conclusion: We've doing better so far compared to Torino and will most likely beat our Torino record. I've counted at least 10+ of these medals which we haven't even played yet. We're won some additional medals compared to Torino already so we're sitting at 5th place right now compared to 8th place in Torino at this same time.
 
We'll probably beat Torino's gold count and we have a shot at getting most Gold overall, but it's very unlikely we'll beat out our overall medal count for it.

Most of the stuff you listed were for speedskating, and South Korea is dominating in that. I highly doubt we'll win much medals for speedskating. The Hamelins were our best bet and they failed to podium, and honestly, looking back at the game, it was unlikely they were going to win anyways. South Korea was just too good, sure, we had a lead in the beginning, but you could clearly tell that the Koreans were just keeping it steady and waiting to pounce while the Hamelins were throwing all their strength in.
 
SpectreFire said:
We'll probably beat Torino's gold count, but it's very unlikely we'll beat out our overall count for it.

Most of the stuff you listed were for speedskating, and South Korea is dominating in that. I highly doubt we'll win much medals for speedskating. If the Hamelins couldn't even get on the podium, then there's little hope for the rest.
That's short track speed skating though. So Hamelins will only really cost us 2 medals compare to Torino if they fail.
 
Sealda said:
Well Canadian audience have acted like douche all through the games. In every Olympic Games i have seen, the audience have applaud no matter what nationality, but in VC2010, the only people who gets the crowd applauding is the canadians.

Did you guys see the games in Turino or Beijing, no matter what nationality competed, they did always get equal as much applauds and cheers as the home-athletes (expect, like Beijing, gymnastics).
I understand you've been laughed out of the topic, but which Olympics are you watching?
 
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