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[Garcia]

No I don't think that's correct actually. Nowhere near correct.

I'm currently searching for the document where I read that. If you have more information or a link where I could read more about the retries of a relief well then by all means post it, I'll gladly read through all of it so I can correct what I know right now.

 

[Garcia]

Everything was 100% correct except the "game over" sentence. I'm not sure what he meant by that.

But he's more right than wrong.

What I meant by gave over was that all the effort they did for months didn't work out in the end. It's a 1 on 1 bet, and if they miss then it just means start all over again, from the very beginning, drill a new hole.

 

[Evolved1]

I didn't realize that was what you were saying. That is wrong. They don't have to redrill the entire thing every time. They back the drill out, fill their miscalculation will cement, and then resume.

Sometimes they don't even fill the miss with cement.

 

[Garcia]

Thanks for the correction recklessmind.

 

[Evolved1]

Thanks for the correction recklessmind.

A miss can still take as long as a week to fix.

 

[NotWii]

http://instantoilspill.com/?url=http://www.neogaf.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=3
:lol

BP & USCG representatives taking questions & defending Corexit - Says it's used in the UK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt9HesanHGU

However...

MMO has banned the use of Corexit 9500 since 1998

All products approved after 1 April 1996 have been required to pass both the Sea/Beach and Rocky Shore Toxicity Tests. Any products coming up for renewal that have only passed the Sea/Beach toxicity test in the past are required, before they can be renewed, to pass the Rocky Shore Test also. The following products have been removed from the list of approved products because they did not pass the Rocky Shore Test when submitted for renewal:
Chemkleen OSDA JAC (removed from list 21/01/1998)
Corexit 9527 (removed from list 30/07/1998)
Corexit 9500 (removed from list 30/07/1998).

http://www.marinemanagement.org.uk/protecting/pollution/documents/approval_approved_products.pdf

But we already know they are lying...

 

[NotWii]

PBS denied access to BP medical compound

But there’s one roadblock that we encountered that mystified us — and, we understand, many other journalists. It has been virtually impossible to get any information about the federal mobile medical unit in the fishing town of Venice, La. The glorified double-wide trailer sits on a spit of newly graveled land known to some as the “BP compound.” Ringed with barbed wire-topped chain link fencing, it’s tightly restricted by police and private security guards.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/...ation-blocking-media-access-to-gulf-response/

WHAT HORRORS LURK IN THE MEDICAL COMPOUND?!

 

[Koomaster]

WHAT HORRORS LURK IN THE MEDICAL COMPOUND?!

People with ghastly wounds that were caused by the hell beasts that were unleashed out of the Mocando well. Of course they would want to keep that a secret - duh!

 

[NotWii]

People with ghastly wounds that were caused by the hell beasts that were unleashed out of the Mocando well. Of course they would want to keep that a secret - duh!

That would be so awesome :lol

 

[Evolved1]

The medical clinic will be used when someone tells Obama whose ass to kick.

 

[Garcia]

Well guys, we have a winner.

Finally, the Deepwater Horizon oil spill has stolen Ixtoc I's title. In only 73 days it has released what took Ixtoc almost an entire year (295 days).

BP spill hits a somber record as Gulf's biggest

NEW ORLEANS — BP's massive oil spill became the largest ever in the Gulf of Mexico on Thursday based on the highest of the federal government's estimates, an ominous record that underscores the oil giant's dire need to halt the gusher.

The oil that's spewed for two and a half months from a blown-out well a mile under the sea hit the 140.6 million gallon mark, eclipsing the record-setting, 140-million-gallon Ixtoc I spill off Mexico's coast from 1979 to 1980. Even by the lower end of the government's estimates, at least 71.7 million gallons are in the Gulf.

The growing total is crucial to track, in part because London-based BP PLC is likely to be fined per gallon spilled, said Larry McKinney, director of Texas A&M University at Corpus Christi's Gulf of Mexico research institute.

"It's an important number to know because it has an impact on restoration and recovery," McKinney said.

The oil calculation is based on the higher end of the government's range of barrels leaked per day, minus the amount BP says it has collected from the blown-out well using two containment systems. BP collected a smaller amount of oil than usual on Wednesday, about 969,000 gallons.

Measuring the spill helps scientists figure out where the missing oil is, hidden below the water surface with some even stuck to the seafloor. Oil not at the surface damages different parts of the ecosystem.

"It's a mind-boggling number any way you cut it," said Ed Overton, a Louisiana State University environmental studies professor who consults for the federal government on oil spills. "It'll be well beyond Ixtoc by the time it's finished."

And passing Ixtoc just before the July Fourth weekend, a time of normally booming tourism, is bitter timing, he said.

The BP spill, which began after the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig explosion killed 11 workers April 20, is also the largest spill ever recorded offshore during peacetime.

But it's not the biggest in history.

That happened when Iraqi forces opened valves at a terminal and dumped about 460 million gallons of oil in 1991 during the Persian Gulf war.

As the Gulf gusher continued spewing, the remnants of Hurricane Alex whipped oil-filled waves onto the Gulf Coast's once-white beaches. The government has pinned its latest cleanup hopes on a huge new piece of equipment: the world's largest oil-skimming vessel, which arrived Wednesday.

Officials hope the ship can scoop up to 21 million gallons of oil-fouled water a day. Dubbed the "A Whale," the Taiwanese-flagged former tanker spans the length of 3 1/2 football fields and is 10 stories high.

It just emerged from an extensive retrofitting to prepare it specifically for the Gulf.

"It is absolutely gigantic. It's unbelievable," said Overton, who saw the ship last week in Norfolk, Va.

The vessel looks like a typical tanker, but it takes in contaminated water through 12 vents on either side of the bow. The oil is then supposed to be separated from the water and transferred to another vessel. The water is channeled back into the sea.

But the ship's never been tested, and many questions remain about how it will operate. For instance, the seawater retains trace amounts of oil, even after getting filtered, so the Environmental Protection Agency will have to sign off on allowing the treated water back into the Gulf.

"This is a no-brainer," Overton said. "You're bringing in really dirty, oily water and you're putting back much cleaner water."

The Coast Guard will have the final say in whether the vessel can operate in the Gulf. The owner, shipping firm TMT Group, will have to come to separate terms with BP, which is paying for the cleanup.

"I don't know whether it's going to work or not, but it certainly needs to be given the opportunity," Overton said.

Meanwhile along parts of the Gulf, red flags snapped in strong gusts, warning people to stay out of the water, and long stretches of beach were stained brown from tar balls and crude oil that had been pushed as far as 60 yards from the water.

Hurricane Alex churned up rough seas as it plowed across the Gulf, dealing a tough setback to cleanup operations. It made landfall along a relatively unpopulated stretch of coast in Mexico's northern Tamaulipas state late Wednesday, spawning tornadoes in nearby Texas and forcing evacuations in both countries. Alex weakened to a tropical storm Thursday morning as it moved across Mexico.

Although skimming operations and the laying of oil-corralling booms were halted across the Gulf, vessels that collect and burn oil and gas at the site of the explosion were still operating. Efforts to drill relief wells that experts hope will stop the leak also continued unabated.

In Florida, lumps of tar the size of dinner plates filled a large swath of beach east of Pensacola after rough waves tossed the mess onto shore.

Streaks of the rust-red oil could be seen in the waves off Pensacola Beach as cleanup crews worked in the rough weather to prepare the beach for the holiday weekend.

In Grand Isle, La., heavy bands of rain pounded down, keeping cleanup crews off the water and tossing carefully laid boom around. However, oil had stayed out of the passes.

"All this wave action is breaking up the oil very quickly," Coast Guard Cmdr. Randal S. Ogrydziak said. "Mother Nature is doing what she does best, putting things back in order."

Natural microbes in the water were also working on the spill. The result was a white substance that looked like mayonnaise, that washed up on some spots along the Grand Isle beach.

"People will be fishing here again," Ogrydziak said. "It may take a while, but people may be surprised that it's not taking as long as they thought. Look at the (Ixtoc) oil spill in Mexico. It was massive and now people are back to using those waters."

Associated Press writers Mary Foster in Grand Isle, La., Jay Reeves in Orange Beach, Ala., and Melissa Nelson in Pensacola Beach, Fla., contributed to this report.

 

[gcubed]

after clean up is done, is there going to be any way to know how much was spilled? 70-150 million gallons is a pretty big range

 

[syllogism]

http://www.epa.gov/bpspill/dispersants-testing.html

EPA's results indicated that none of the eight dispersants tested, including the product in use in the Gulf, displayed biologically significant endocrine disrupting activity. While the dispersant products alone – not mixed with oil - have roughly the same impact on aquatic life, JD-2000 and Corexit 9500 were generally less toxic to small fish and JD-2000 and SAF-RON GOLD were least toxic to mysid shrimp.

 

[Dead Man]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100702/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill

Might be old news, but I found it pretty depressing none the less. There was recently an article here in the Australian press about NGO's being told their help was not needed. Apparently it is not only overseas offers...

NEW ORLEANS – Many fishing boats signed up to skim oil sit idle in marinas. Some captains and deckhands say they have been just waiting around for instructions while drawing checks from BP of more than $1,000 a day per vessel. Thousands of offers to clean beaches and wetlands have gone unanswered.

BP and the Obama administration faced mounting complaints Thursday that they are ignoring foreign offers of badly needed equipment and making poor use of the fishing boats and volunteers available to help clean up what may now be the biggest spill ever in the Gulf of Mexico.

Based on some government estimates, more than 140 million gallons of crude have now spewed from the bottom of the sea since the April 20 explosion that killed 11 workers on the Deepwater Horizon oil platform, eclipsing the 1979-80 disaster off Mexico that had long stood as the worst in the Gulf.

In recent days and weeks, for reasons BP has never explained, many fishing boats hired for the cleanup have done a lot of waiting around. At the same time, there is mounting frustration over the time it has taken the government to approve offers of help from foreign countries and international organizations.

The Coast Guard said there have been 107 offers of help from 44 nations, ranging from technical advice to skimmer boats and booms. But many of those offers are weeks old, and only a small number have been accepted, with the vast majority still under review, according to a list kept by the State Department.

A report prepared by investigators with the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform for Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., detailed one case in which the Dutch government offered April 30 to provide four oil skimmers that collectively could process more than 6 million gallons of oily water a day. It took seven weeks for the U.S. to approve the offer.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs on Thursday scorned the idea that "somehow it took the command 70 days to accept international help."

"That is a myth," he declared, "that has been debunked literally hundreds of times."

He said 24 foreign vessels were operating in the Gulf before this week. He did not specifically address the Dutch vessels.

More than 2,000 boats have signed up for oil-spill duty under BP's Vessel of Opportunity program. The company pays boat captains and their crews a flat fee based on the size of the vessel, ranging from $1,200 to $3,000 a day, plus a $200 fee for each crew member who works an eight-hour day.

Rocky Ditcharo, a shrimp dock owner in Buras, La., said many fishermen hired by BP have told him that they often park their boats on the shore while they wait for word on where to go.

"They just wait because there's no direction," Ditcharo said. He said he believes BP has hired many boat captains "to show numbers."

"But they're really not doing anything," he added. He also said he suspects the company is hiring out-of-work fishermen to placate them with paychecks.

Chris Mehlig, a fisherman from Louisiana's St. Bernard Parish, said he is getting eight days of work a month, laying down containment boom, running supplies to other boats or simply being on call dockside in case he is needed. "I wish I had more days than that, but that's the way things are," he said.

Billy Nungesser, president of Louisiana's hard-hit Plaquemines Parish, said BP and the Coast Guard provided a map of the exact locations of 140 skimmers that were supposedly cleaning up the oil. But he said that after he repeatedly asked to be flown over the area so he could see them at work, officials told him only 31 skimmers on the job.

"I'm trying to work with these guys," he said. "But everything they're giving me is a wish list, not what's actually out there."

A BP spokesman declined to comment.

Newly retired Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the government's point man for the response effort, bristled at some of the accusations in Issa's report.

"I think we've been pretty transparent throughout this," Allen said at the White House. He disputed any suggestion that there aren't enough skimmers being put on the water, saying the spill area is so big that there are bound to be areas with no vessels.

The Coast Guard said there are roughly 550 skimmers working in the Gulf, with 250 or so in Louisiana waters, 136 in Florida, 87 in Alabama and 76 in Mississippi, although stormy weather in recent days has kept the many of the vessels from working.

The frustration extends to the volunteers who have offered to clean beaches and wetlands. More than 20,000 volunteers have signed up to help in Florida, Alabama and Mississippi, yet fewer than one in six has received an assignment or the training required to take part in some chores, according to BP.

The executive director of the Alabama Coastal Foundation, Bethany Kraft, said many people who volunteered are frustrated and angry that no one has called on them for help.

"You see this unfolding before your eyes and you have this sense that you can't do anything," she said. "To watch this happen in our backyard and not be able to help is hard."

About 225 foundation volunteers have helped watch for oil and document coastal conditions, she said, but BP's rules require training for anyone touching oily material. And the company is using paid workers for nearly all such projects.

While the leak continued spewing crude into the Gulf, the remnants of Hurricane Alex more than 500 miles to the west were still being felt Thursday in the form of rough seas that slowed the cleanup, though some skimming had resumed.

Some government estimates put the amount of oil spilled at 160 million gallons. That calculation was arrived at by using the rate of 2.5 million gallons a day all the way back to the oil rig explosion. The AP, relying on scientists who advised the government on flow rate, bases its estimates on a lower rate of 2.1 million gallons a day up until June 3, when a cut to the well pipe increased flow.

By either estimate, the disaster would eclipse the Ixtoc disaster in the Gulf two decades ago and rank as the biggest offshore oil spill during peacetime. The bill spill in history happened in 1991 during the Persian Gulf War, when Iraqi forces opened valves at a terminal and dumped about 336 million gallons of oil.

The total in the Gulf disaster is significant because BP is likely to be fined per gallon spilled. Also, scientists say an accurate figure is needed to calculate how much oil may be hidden below the surface, doing damage to the deep-sea environment.

"It's a mind-boggling number any way you cut it," said Ed Overton, a Louisiana State University environmental studies professor. "It'll be well beyond Ixtoc by the time it's finished."

And passing Ixtoc just before the July Fourth weekend, a time of normally booming tourism, is bitter timing, he said.

In other developments:

• The House passed the first major bill related to explosion, voting to allow families of those killed and injured workers to be compensated far more generously than current law allows. The measure now goes to the Senate.

• An animal welfare group said in a lawsuit that BP's practice of incinerating the oil is probably burning endangered sea turtles alive. BP spokesman Mark Proegler replied: "I can't say for sure we've never burned any, but every effort is taken to avoid that."

• The Coast Guard and the Environmental Protection Agency are tightening up their oversight of BP and its contractors cleaning up the oily sand.

___

Associated Press writers Jay Reeves in Orange Beach, Ala., Michael Kunzelman in New Orleans, Harry R. Weber in Houston, and Seth Borenstein, Erica Werner and Eileen Sullivan in Washington contributed to this report.

 

[jamesinclair]

Santa Rosa Island officials flew the double-red flag – no swimming – over Pensacola Beach in Florida after a swath of thick oil washed ashore from the Gulf oil spill June 23.

Two days later, against the warnings of federal health officials and based on a visual survey of the beach, the local island authority director, Buck Lee, reopened the beaches for swimming, urging residents and tourists to come back to the beach. Officials left the ultimate decision on whether it was safe to swim to beachgoers.

This week, health officials in Escambia County, Fla., which includes Pensacola Beach, reported that about 400 people claimed they felt sick after visiting the beach and swimming in the Gulf.

The massive oil slick hovering off the shore of the US Gulf Coast threatens an entire tourist season that, in Florida alone, represents $65 million in revenue.

The situation in Pensacola Beach points to the growing difficulty of balancing the potential and largely unknown health effects of a spill making only localized landfall against the political and economic motivations of hard-hit beach communities facing a canceled summer.

"Perception is a bigger enemy than reality, because would-be visitors are not willing to really do the research or take even a small amount of risk," says Adam Sacks, managing director of Tourism Economics, a consultancy firm in Wayne, Pa.

Testing by the University of West Florida in recent days has indicated small amounts of dissolved petrochemicals in the water near Pensacola Beach.

...

"If you see oil in the water, don't swim in it, and hopefully people will have enough sense not to do that," says Lee. As to reports of people feeling sick, he says, "People have different reactions. You and I may go in the water, swim around, look for shells and come out of the water and your eyes may be burning and mine may be fine. It affects different people different ways."​

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100701/ts_csm/311973



I hope the lawsuits destroy those encouraging people to swim.

 

[RiskyChris]

I hope those encouraging people to swim get oil cancer.

 

[Scalemail Ted]

smh

Gulf Oil Spill Health Hazards

 

[mckmas8808]

Thanks for the correction recklessmind.

Yeah that's what I was talking about Garcia. And thank god that super skimper made it to the Gulf. I would have NO clue why the Coast Guard wouldn't allow it to be used next week.

21 Million gallons of oil a day is HUGE!!!

 

[darkwing]

edit: didn't read above

 

[Garcia]

Remember those narrated videos taken from a plane showing the oil spill from above?

Here's the guy who shot them being interviewed by MSNBC Keith Olbermann:

Dying Dolphin & Whales Swimming Through Oil Spill

 

[BudokaiMR2]

UGHGHGHGH

Why in the hell are people swimming there. I am going back to Florida for the first time in three years soon and I have absolutely no goddamn plans to swim in the gulf, as sad as it is.

Any good beaches on the Atlantic side?

 

[Zenith]

An animal welfare group said in a lawsuit that BP's practice of incinerating the oil is probably burning endangered sea turtles alive. BP spokesman Mark Proegler replied: "I can't say for sure we've never burned any, but every effort is taken to avoid that."

Outstanding.

 

[JoeBoy101]

Hot Fucking Damn! About goddamn time.

The Taiwanese-flagged vessel appropriately dubbed "A Whale" is three and a half football fields long and 10-stories high.

The world's largest skimming vessel is now anchored in the Mississippi River down in Boothville.

"It ought to be out there sucking up oil," said Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser.

While the ship may be ready to work, it still has some bureaucratic hurdles to jump and tests to pass before the Coast Guard allows it to join the fight in the Gulf.

"The owners made an offer to bring it down at their expense and have it operate in the Gulf to see if it'd be effective," said BP spill National Incident Commander Thad Allen. "We have worked with epa and other agencies to give it a go and it's down in the area and will be ready to operate in a couple of days."

The ship was originally designed as the world's largest super-tanker.

It was modified after the BP explosion to scoop up 21 million gallons of oily water per day.

A series of vents on both sides of the bow suck in the polluted liquid

According to the vessel's owner, the ship's skimming capacity is at least 250-times that of the fishing boat fleet now conducting skimming operations in the Gulf.

"it still has some bureaucratic hurdles to jump" oh for Chrissakes, MAKE A DAMN HOLE! I can accept Coast Guard tests as I assume its for safety, but otherwise get this mother WORKIN!

 

[NotWii]

Fund chief says not all spill claims can be met
http://www.theage.com.au/world/fund-chief-says-not-all-spill-claims-can-be-met-20100701-zqh1.html

 

[ToxicAdam]

I think people involved in tourism or people selling property are really going to get screwed. I highly doubt they will see any compensation.

 

[afternoon delight]

Hot Fucking Damn! About goddamn time.

My feelings exactly.

Really hope these theories about the pressure and the eventual collapse are unfounded in the long run. I do not want to see some of the predicted outcomes. At all.

 

[NotWii]

New rules!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXsmLMV1CrM

 

[afternoon delight]

New rules!

Surprise!
Have you seen pictures of all those dead bodies that come home from the wars?

It's a felony too.

 

[Garcia]

New rules!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXsmLMV1CrM

Yep. That's the way it goes right now :/

 

[ElectricThunder]

New rules!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXsmLMV1CrM

Pretty ridiculous stuff right there. Oh to be a fly on the wall when it got bumped down from the original notion of 300ish feet of distance.

The mega-tanker dealie will surely be of some help....but even that thing can only do so much from here on out and the damage from before is already out there manifesting.

 

[water_wendi]

Surprise!
Have you seen pictures of all those dead bodies that come home from the wars?

It's a felony too.

i thought the Pentagon changed that a couple years ago?

 

[speculawyer]

Well guys, we have a winner.

Finally, the Deepwater Horizon oil spill has stolen Ixtoc I's title. In only 73 days it has released what took Ixtoc almost an entire year (295 days).

BP spill hits a somber record as Gulf's biggest

USA! USA! USA!

 

[NotWii]

'Top Chef' judge Tom Colicchio on cooking with and promoting Gulf seafood
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/07/02/am.tom.colicchio.cnn?hpt=C2

Wanna hear something crazy?
Former Kansas State Trooper Advises Gulf Coast Residents to EVACUATE Area
http://www.youtube.com/v/WElJkCg-aoo

 

[UltimaPooh]

Former Kansas State Trooper Advises Gulf Coast Residents to EVACUATE Area
http://www.youtube.com/v/WElJkCg-aoo

Why would they have an evacuation? and of what area?

Doesn't make sense.

 

[WickedAngel]

Why would they have an evacuation? and of what area?

Doesn't make sense.

As time goes on, I would imagine that the air along the Gulf Coast is going to become increasingly dangerous to breathe.

 

[UltimaPooh]

As time goes on, I would imagine that the air along the Gulf Coast is going to become increasingly dangerous to breathe.

Yeah but an evacuation of the entire Gulf coast?

Where would you put all those people?

 

[WickedAngel]

Yeah but an evacuation of the entire Gulf coast?

Where would you put all those people?

Send them to Canada.

 

[mAcOdIn]

Where couldn't you put those people?

I say, put a lot of them up in Detroit, lol. Seriously though, we could do it if necessary, we have plenty of land, people'd have to stay with relatives for a while before we had enough homes/trailers for them to stay but land isn't really an issue. I'm not sure we're really there yet, I do think the government has been too lax regarding any possible health concerns for the elderly or people with pre-existing conditions but it's not like everyone in the Gulf is at risk of death right now, it's not THAT bad, nor is it that uncommon, sadly, for ther to be some kind of health concern in this modern world for people with pre-existing conditions or that are weak against pollutants in almost every built up area. It's like, ok, so you got an oil spill, is that really worse off than the town with a coal power plant? Is that worse than LA's air? Some people will be fine and some won't. Evacuating everyone at this point in time is silly but the government should be telling people who are, or think they are, more prone to these types of issues that perhaps it isn't as safe for them anymore.

 

[NotWii]

Yeah but an evacuation of the entire Gulf coast?

Where would you put all those people?

Abandoned malls will be re-purposed into housing for the refugees

or Kamp Krusty

 

[MisterNoisy]

As time goes on, I would imagine that the air along the Gulf Coast is going to become increasingly dangerous to breathe.

Where I'm at, it still smells like a gas station more often than I'm comfortable with.

If they evacuate the entire region by next Tuesday, I'll eat my hat - having to digest a hat will be the least of my worries anyway.

 

[NotWii]

Military Men Moving their own Families Now; Snowplows Ready To Remove Abandoned Vehicles from Highways When Evacuations Occur
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/90/74...les_from_Highways_When_Evacuations_Occur.html

May be right, may be wrong

 

[NotWii]

Where couldn't you put those people?

I say, put a lot of them up in Detroit, lol. Seriously though, we could do it if necessary, we have plenty of land, people'd have to stay with relatives for a while before we had enough homes/trailers for them to stay but land isn't really an issue. I'm not sure we're really there yet, I do think the government has been too lax regarding any possible health concerns for the elderly or people with pre-existing conditions but it's not like everyone in the Gulf is at risk of death right now, it's not THAT bad, nor is it that uncommon, sadly, for ther to be some kind of health concern in this modern world for people with pre-existing conditions or that are weak against pollutants in almost every built up area. It's like, ok, so you got an oil spill, is that really worse off than the town with a coal power plant? Is that worse than LA's air? Some people will be fine and some won't. Evacuating everyone at this point in time is silly but the government should be telling people who are, or think they are, more prone to these types of issues that perhaps it isn't as safe for them anymore.

I agree, it won't be all at once, and you'll see the cleanup crews being pulled back and officials suddenly going on holiday before they start officially talking about it - if at all, they might wait for people to drop dead before they start moving people.

 

[Vyer]

Military Men Moving There own Families Now; Snowplows Ready To Remove Abandoned Vehicles from Highways When Evacuations Occur
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/90/74...les_from_Highways_When_Evacuations_Occur.html

May be right, may be wrong

:lol

Not 'there' families!

 

[loosus]

Outright blocking access? What the fuck, man.

Man, this has seriously turned into Obama's Katrina. I've never had much confidence in his ability to handle a crisis, but I can't believe he's blundered this so badly. Along with BP, this administration has really made itself the bad guy in all this.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Military Men Moving their own Families Now; Snowplows Ready To Remove Abandoned Vehicles from Highways When Evacuations Occur
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/90/74...les_from_Highways_When_Evacuations_Occur.html

May be right, may be wrong

Most likely wrong... wtf? Day After Tomorrow storms?

 

[MisterNoisy]

Man, this has seriously turned into Obama's Katrina. I've never had much confidence in his ability to handle a crisis, but I can't believe he's blundered this so badly. Along with BP, this administration has really made itself the bad guy in all this.

This particular meme is amusing.

Comparing the relatively simple task of having food and water delivered to a disaster area within a week to making the largest accidental oil spill in US history go away seems like you either really bought into the 'change' slogan or are just making a shitty comparison for reasons that will remain your own. This is our Chernobyl.

I get that we all want more done to unfuck the situation, but tragically the Fed isn't equipped to deal with it - they don't drill for oil or build and maintain cleanup groups or ships, and there's the whole matter of inheriting MMS staff and policy from the prior administration(s) - it's not like you can rebuild a torn-down regulatory agency overnight - even in the best case scenario, it takes longer to build something than it does to destroy it.

If anything, this incident and it's cleanup and recovery is a scathing condemnation of the dangers of privatizing critical elements of the government's responsibility to ensure the common good. We 'trusted' the oil industry (BP) to do the right things. They chose to hurry the process of getting a new well online instead, to predictably bad results.

 

[darkwing]

Military Men Moving their own Families Now; Snowplows Ready To Remove Abandoned Vehicles from Highways When Evacuations Occur
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/90/74...les_from_Highways_When_Evacuations_Occur.html

@beforeitsnews.com GRAMMAR DO YOU SPEAK IT?

 

[Smiles and Cries]

Sorry OT

do we have a thread for the Congo Oil Tanker mess?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/africa/07/03/dr.congo.explosion/index.html?hpt=T1

so many dead, please link me to the thread if there is one

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Most likely wrong... wtf? Day After Tomorrow storms?

I also feel the same way reading things like that.

However it may be my lack of scientific knowledge but knowing that there are reports out there saying ONE MILLION times the amount of normal methane counts have been recorded....that shit is just frightening.

 

[Garcia]

This is what you can't see from the ground. The reason why no one should be swimming inside the Gulf right now:

Oil slicks approach the beach in Orange Beach, Ala., on Friday, July 2. Oil from the Deepwater Horizon incident is expected to come ashore there over the July 4th weekend. (Dave Martin / AP)

A man walks on the beach where oil is seen in the water as it washes ashore in Orange Beach, Ala., from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico on June 26. (Joe Raedle / Getty Images)

Both pictures and several more featured in this article:

Millions of birds set to fly into Gulf oil mess