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The Official List of links to Wikileaks New Stories

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DreamMachine said:
Could someone make a new thread and update the OP with a complete list of the cable stories so far?
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Here's the best list I could come up with, trying to include the most important stories and less of the diplomatic gossip.

Hopefully the mods won't find this redundant, and people will add stories here.

Also, since Wikileaks is up and down due to shenanigans, here's a current list of Wiki-mirrors.

http://wikileaks.info/
http://leakmirror.users.anapnea.net/
http://etherpad.mozilla.org:9000/wikileaks
http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy&h...&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=1&cad=b
http://anonymitaet-im-inter.net/wiki/wl-mirror


Stories
Sorted by country, you lazy sods. Oldest stories are at the top of the each section, newest are at the bottom of each section.



Canada
France pressed U.S. on Khadr as Ottawa stood silent: WikiLeaks
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1820952/

CBC shows anti-U.S. 'melodrama'
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/12/01/wikileaks-cbc.html

Obama ordered diplomats to spy on Canada
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/11/28/16351306.html

Canada's Ambassador to Afghanistan resigns because of comments
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...threatens-ties-to-afghanistan/article1821553/

Canadian ambassador calls Tunesia's claims it does not torture "bullshit"
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/12/02/wikileaks-tunisia002.html

U.S. diplomats criticized a Harper cabinet minister who visited Cuba last year for not publicly chastising the government for its human rights record, according to documents published by WikiLeaks.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/12/17/cuba-wikileaks.html

Canadians secretly added to U.S. security list: WikiLeaks
CSIS continues to pass along names in secret to the U.S.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2011/05/15/rfa-macdonald-csis.html




Russia
WikiLeaks cables condemn Russia as 'mafia state'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-russia-mafia-kleptocracy

Wikileaks cables link Russian mafia boss to EU gas supplies
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-russian-mafia-gas

WikiLeaks cables: Russian government 'using mafia for its dirty work'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cable-spain-russian-mafia

WikiLeaks cables claim Russia armed Georgian separatists
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-russia-georgian-separatists

WikiLeaks cables: Alexander Litvinenko murder 'probably had Putin's OK'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-alexander-litvinenko-murder




Spain
Spain's investigations into the Russian mafia
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/223006

Spanish investigation exposes Russian mafia links
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/223012

Russia is virtual 'mafia state', says Spanish investigator
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/247712

Russian mafia outmanoeuvre Spanish prosecutors
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/229718[/QUOTE]

Wikileaks cables reveal that the US wrote Spain's proposed copyright law
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/03/wikileaks-cables-rev.html

US embassy cables: Spanish PM's intervention caused Rolls-Royce to lose defence contract, US claims
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/188131





U.S.
U.S. threatens Spain with retaliation over Guantanamo investigation
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/wikileaks-us-spain-guantanamo-rendition

Leaked Cables Offer Raw Look at U.S. Diplomacy
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?_r=1&hp

U.S. diplomats spied on UN
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-spying-un

Hillary Clinton questions Argentinian President Cristina Kirchner's mental health
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/hillary-clinton-cristina-kirchner-stress

Cables Depict U.S. Haggling to Clear Guantánamo
King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia: "United States should implant an electronic chip in each detainee"
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/30/world/americas/30gitmo.html?_r=1&hp

US nuclear weapons still left in Europe are based in Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany and Turkey.
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/11/09BERLIN1433.html

US and UK diplomats warn of terrorists getting hold of fissile material and of Pakistan-India nuclear exchange
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/wikileaks-cables-pakistan-nuclear-fears

Blackwater Aimed to Hunt Pirates (arrr)
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/01/world/africa/01wikileaks-blackwater.html?hp

America plays 'Let's Make a Deal' with foreign governments over Guantanamo prisoners
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...foreign-governments-Guantanamo-prisoners.html

WikiLeaks cables: CIA drew up UN spying wishlist for diplomats Agency identified priorities for information on UN leaders Cables reveal further evidence of intelligence gathering
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/wikileaks-cables-cia-united-nations

Even though most everyone on Earth has seen these documents, federal agencies are warning employees that they are still secret and cannot be viewed on government computers.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/02/AR2010120206144.html

State Dept. warning prospective recruits (students) to steer clear of Wikileaks
http://www.arabist.net/blog/2010/12...rospective-recruits-to-steer-clear-of-wi.html

WikiLeaks cables reveal how US manipulated climate accord
Embassy dispatches show America used spying, threats and promises of aid to get support for Copenhagen accord
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-us-manipulated-climate-accord

WikiLeaks: Texas Company Helped Pimp Little Boys To Stoned Afghan Cops
http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/2010/12/wikileaks_texas_company_helped.php

Wik-Bee Leaks: EPA Document Shows It Knowingly Allowed Pesticide That Kills Honey Bees
http://www.fastcompany.com/1708896/w...oxic-pesticide

US officials regard European human rights standards as an "irritant", secret cables show, and have strongly objected to the safeguards which could protect WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange from extradition.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/17/wikileaks-european-human-rights-standards

Apple removes Wikileaks apps
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/12/21/why-did-apple-remove.html

WikiLeaks cables: McDonald's used US to put pressure on El Salvador
Burger giant tried to delay US legislation in order to aid lawsuit being fought in Central American country, cables reveal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/dec/21/wikileaks-cables-mcdonalds-us-el-salvador

WikiLeaks Set To Reveal US-UFO War In Southern Ocean
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/12/wikileaks-set-to-reveal-us-ufo-war-in-southern-ocean/

WikiLeaks: US targets EU over GM crops
US embassy cable recommends drawing up list of countries for 'retaliation' over opposition to genetic modification
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/03/wikileaks-us-eu-gm-crops

Diplomats Help Push Sales of Jetliners on the Global Market
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/03/business/03wikileaks-boeing.html?_r=2

(Secret) US cables reveal: ACTA was far too secret
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...tm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

U.S. spied on NATO boss
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2011/02/11/wikileaks-nato-us-fogh-rasmussen.html




U.K.
Secret deal let Americans sidestep cluster bomb ban
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-cluster-bombs-britain

WikiLeaks cable reveals secret pledge to protect US at Iraq inquiry
Ministry of Defence told US that UK had 'put measures in place' to protect American interests during Chilcot inquiry
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/wikileaks-chilcot-iraq-war-inquiry

Prince Andrew makes an ass of himself - hates the French
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-rude-prince-andrew

US spurned Gary McKinnon plea from Gordon Brown
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=414046&page=9

Prince Andrew demanded special BAE briefing
SFO sources confirmed that BAE case handlers at the time thought the request from the Duke of York was 'well out of order'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/nov/30/prince-andrew-wikileaks-cables?CMP=twt_fd

David Miliband focused on Sri Lankan war 'to win votes'
• Official said minister was reacting to diaspora in UK
• Tamils could have had effect in marginal seats
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-david-miliband-sri-lanka

The defence secretary, Liam Fox, told the Americans that the Tories would be tougher on Pakistan because they were less reliant on votes from the Pakistani community than Labour.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/239153

UK overruled on Lebanon spy flights from Cyprus, WikiLeaks cables reveal
Americans dismissed 'bureaucratic' Foreign Office concern that Lebanese Hezbollah suspects might be tortured
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-cyprus-rendition-torture

Foreign Office does not regret evicting Chagos islanders
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/207149

WikiLeaks cables: Conservatives promised to run 'pro-American regime'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/dec/03/wikileaks-cables-us-special-relationship

WikiLeaks cables: Whitehall told US to ignore Brown's Trident statement
Top civil servants are quoted as telling Washington that UK would renew nuclear deterrent, contradicting Gordon Brown
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/08/wikileaks-cables-trident-nuclear-us

WikiLeaks cables: Bangladeshi 'death squad' trained by UK government
Rapid Action Battalion, accused of hundreds of extra-judicial killings, received training from UK officers, cables reveal
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/21/wikileaks-cables-british-police-bangladesh-death-squad




The Koreas/China
China's Politburo was behind the hacking attempt on Google
http://www.infosecurity-us.com/view...claims-wikileaks-leaked-us-diplomatic-cables/

Kim Jong-il an unhealthy US obsession, WikiLeaks cables show
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/kim-jong-il-us-obsession-wikileaks

Wikileaks cables reveal China 'ready to abandon North Korea'
Leaked dispatches show Beijing is frustrated with military actions of 'spoiled child' and increasingly favours reunified Korea
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-cables-china-reunified-korea

Corruption in China?
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/01/10SHENYANG5.html

China's "newly pugnacious" foreign policy is "losing friends worldwide", the US ambassador to Beijing argued in a cable last February.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/04/wikileaks-embassy-cables-diplomacy-china




Middle East/Afghanistan/Pakistan/India
Saudi King urges U.S. attack on Iran
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/150519

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has terminal cancer. Iran dismisses Wikileaks as "psychological warfare"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/29/wikileaks-claims-psychological-warfare-ahmadinejad

Yemeni covers up American air strikes
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=53739

Iran used Red Crescent to smuggle weapons
http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=197124

WikiLeaks cables: 'US aid will not stop Pakistan supporting militants'
Embassy cables reveal US frustration as Islamabad fosters selected insurgents as a buffer against India
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/wikileaks-us-aid-pakistan-militants

America, Pakistan and the $26m barbed wire bill
US embassy cables allege millions of dollars of US military aid to fight insurgents was diverted to Pakistan government
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/america-pakistan-barbed-wire-bill

US 'kept Pakistani army Swat murders secret'
WikiLeaks cables reveal hundreds of extra-judicial killings in Swat Valley and tribal belt since 2009
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/us-pakistani-army-swat-murders-secret

Abu Ghraib Photos Inspired Hundreds Of Would-Be Terrorists
Saudi Arabia arrested 250 people trying to leave the country to train as terrorists after pictures of Abu Ghraib abuse were released.
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/05/09RIYADH670.html

US defended Pak, shielded ISI chief after 26/11 strikes?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...f-after-26/11-strikes/articleshow/7030632.cms

Israel, Gulf states conducted secret diplomacy - Adversaries fearful of Iran
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/1/israel-gulf-states-conducted-secret-diplomacy/

WikiLeaks: Afghan vice-president 'landed in Dubai with $52m in cash', Ambassador in Kabul reports pervasive 'wealth extraction' by establishment and apparent powerlessness of US to stop it
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/wikileaks-elite-afghans-millions-cash

Foreign contractors hired Afghan 'dancing boys', WikiLeaks cable reveals
Episode fuelled Afghan demands that private security firms be brought much more under government control
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/foreign-contractors-hired-dancing-boys

WikiLeaks: Egypt considering nuclear arms if Iran gets them
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/news/wikileaks-egypt-considering-nuclear-arms-if-iran-gets-them

Diplomatic cables: Gaddafi risked nuclear disaster after UN slight
Highly enriched and unstable uranium left on Libyan runway because leader was banned from pitching tent in New York
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...riched-uranium

WikiLeaks cables claim al-Jazeera changed coverage to suit Qatari foreign policy US embassy memos contradict Arabic satellite channel's insistence that it is editorially independent despite being heavily subsidised by Gulf state
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-al-jazeera-qatari-foreign-policy

WikiLeaks cables: Lockerbie bomber freed after Gaddafi's 'thuggish' threats
Megrahi case led to threats against UK's Libyan interests, while Scots who released him had turned down 'a parade of treats'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-gaddafi-britain-lockerbie-bomber

WikiLeaks cables: India accused of systematic use of torture in Kashmir
Beatings and electric shocks inflicted on hundreds of civilians detained in Kashmir, US diplomats in Delhi told by ICRC
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/16/wikileaks-cables-indian-torture-kashmir

WikiLeaks cables: US officials voiced fears India could be target of biological terrorism
US diplomats are concerned that India could be the target of a biological terror attack, with fatal diseases such as anthrax being released into the country before spreading around the world
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/16/wikileaks-india-biological-terrorism-fears

US reported 'routine' police brutality in Egypt, WikiLeaks cables show
Torture widely used against criminals, Islamist detainees, opposition activists and bloggers, embassy cables suggest
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/28/egypt-police-brutality-torture-wikileaks



Feline "Assassination Attempt" :lol
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable...HGABAT111.html




Italy
Berlusconi 'profited from secret deals' with Putin
Russian PM allegedly promised Italian leader a cut of energy contracts, leaked US dispatches say
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/wikileaks-cables-berlusconi-putin




Germany
Germany accuses US over 'missing' Afghan funds, WikiLeaks cables show Berlin claims that €50m contribution disappeared into US treasury coffers with 15% 'administrative fee' taken by army
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/02/germany-us-afghan-funds-wikileaks

Germany's business-friendly Free Democratic Party has identified the top-level national party employee responsible for passing secret information on to US diplomats during the negotiations to form the current German government in 2009.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,732579,00.html




Sweden/Norway
Sweden was deceived by both the United States and Norway regarding the latter’s interest in signing a multi-billion kronor deal to buy Sweden's JAS Gripen fighter plane.
http://www.thelocal.se/30584/20101203/




Africa
Mandela considered then US president George W Bush was incapable of thinking correctly and believed that Bush ignored calls by the United Nations for restraint in Iraq because the UN's then secretary general, Kofi Annan, was black
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Mandela-not-spared-in-WikiLeaks-revelations-20101129

WikiLeaks cables: Shell's grip on Nigerian state revealed
US embassy cables reveal top executive's claims that company 'knows everything' about key decisions in government ministries
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/dec/08/wikileaks-cables-shell-nigeria-spying

The US told Uganda to let it know when the army was going to commit war crimes using American intelligence – but did not try to dissuade it from doing so, the US embassy cables suggest.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/08/wikileaks-cables-uganda-war-crimes

WikiLeaks cables: Pfizer used dirty tricks to avoid clinical trial payout
Cables say drug giant hired investigators to find evidence of corruption on Nigerian attorney general to persuade him to drop legal action
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/dec/09/wikileaks-cables-pfizer-nigeria

WikiLeaks cables suggest Burma is building secret nuclear sites
Fears of bomb plan as witnesses tell US embassy that North Koreans are involved with underground facility in jungle
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/09/wikileaks-cables-burma-nuclear-weapons

WikiLeaks cables: Sudanese president 'stashed $9bn in UK banks' #1
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...nt-cash-london





The Vatican
The Vatican has withdrawn from a written agreement to join an international Holocaust memorial organisation because of tensions over the activity of Pope Pius XII, the pope during the second world war, American diplomatic cables show.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/21/wikileaks-cables-vatican-holocaust-pius?INTCMP=SRCH




NATO
WikiLeaks cables reveal secret Nato plans to defend Baltics from Russia
• Leaked diplomatic cables reveal Russia strategy
• British troops identified for combat operations
• Washington offers to beef up Polish security
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/06/wikileaks-cables-nato-russia-baltics




Australia
Yank in the ranks
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/yank-in-the-ranks-20101208-18pwi.html




Croatia
WikiLeaks cables: Former Croatia PM flees over corruption claims
US embassy cables catalogued sleaze at heart of government of Ivo Sanader, who resigned suddenly last year
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/09/wikileaks-cables-croatia-pm-corruption



Wikileaks smear
The Tech Herald has learned that HBGary Federal - the same guy that Anonymous hacked last week, as well as two other data intelligence firms, worked to develop a strategic plan of attack against WikiLeaks. The plan included pressing a journalist in order to disrupt his support of the organization, cyber attacks, disinformation, and other potential proactive tactics.
http://www.thetechherald.com/articl...-a-systematic-attack-against-WikiLeaks?page=1



The Onion (Fuck it, why not!)
Julian Assange finally fired from Pentagon job. :lol
http://www.theonion.com/articles/julian-assange-fired-from-it-job-at-pentagon,18572/

Wikileaks To Take On Bank Of America
http://www.theonion.com/articles/wikileaks-to-take-on-bank-of-america,18614/
 
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speedpop

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Hopefully this will become a central thread where we can debate and discuss WikiLeaks' stories whilst avoiding the petty ramble that has been evident in many threads over the past few days.

TIME's interview transcript with Assange
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2034040,00.html?xid=rss-mostpopular

Revealing Israeli's PM welcoming the stance that leaders should be speaking publicly about the things they speak privately, as well as Iran agreeing to nuclear talks.
 
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Manos: The Hans of Fate

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Don't forget the Turkmenistan Cat Incident. :lol

This ones hilarious
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/01/10ASHGABAT111.html

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¶1. (C) SUMMARY:There have been reports about a recent
incident in which a motorist crossed an intersection
in front President Berdimuhamedov's motorcade as it
moved through Ashgabat. Several high ranking police
officials were fired after the incident, and the
driver of the vehicle was reportedly beaten and
charged with attempted assassination. In another
incident, a military official was fired after a cat
ran in front of the president's car as he was
traveling to his dacha. Rumors are also circulating
that there was an assassination attempt against
Berdimuhamedov last summer, which was immediately
followed by heightened security measures. END
SUMMARY.
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Lard said:
US 'kept Pakistani army Swat murders secret'
WikiLeaks cables reveal hundreds of extra-judicial killings in Swat Valley and tribal belt since 2009
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/30/us-pakistani-army-swat-murders-secret

Basically, the US let Pakistani army run rampant and kill anyone they wanted.
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Explain how the US was going to control the Pakistani army? Would it be better they didn't report on it and pass the information to decision makers?

Also where the fuck is the CAT story?
 
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theignoramus

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Kremlin sanctioned Russian mobsters running arms to Kurds to in an attempt to "destabilize Turkey"? What the hell? How does that benefit Moscow?
 
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Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has terminal cancer. Iran dismisses Wikileaks as "psychological warfare"
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One website, alef.ir, which is a website affiliated to the Revolutionary Guards, focused on suggestions of US links with Iranians protesting at the outcome of the 2009 presidential election. "The interesting parts of this document are those which show that the rioters in the aftermath of the election are linked to the American diplomatic service and they have been consulted by them," it said.
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So which one is it, psychological warfare, or The Truth?

:lol :lol :lol

theignoramus said:
Kremlin sanctioned Russian mobsters running arms to Kurds to in an attempt to "destabilize Turkey"? What the hell? How does that benefit Moscow?
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Are you kidding? Read the article. Russia views Turkey as more of a US ally than one of its own.
 
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speedpop

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Yeah I don't think we need anymore Assange stories since the debates they create tend to become nothing more than a smorgasbord of bullshit.

Only reason I linked the TIME interview was due to the fact that two parties who have been affected by certain cables have reacted in certain, albeit surprising, ways.
 
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Manos: The Hans of Fate

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theignoramus said:
Kremlin sanctioned Russian mobsters running arms to Kurds to in an attempt to "destabilize Turkey"? What the hell? How does that benefit Moscow?
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Turkey is a major US ally. Thus screw with Turkey.

EDIT: Dear god Ether Snake and I just agreed with each other. :lol
 
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Synth_floyd said:
Ugh Wikileaks needs to get rid of this guy. He's trying to make the movement more about him than about releasing information. Wikileaks should fashion itself more after the group "anonymous" than a traditional organization.
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I'm interested to see if that's what the splinter Wikileaks group will do. Maybe they'll also release more than one at once.
 
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speedpop

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Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
I'm interested to see if that's what the splinter Wikileaks group will do. Maybe they'll also release more than one at once.
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I'm thinking this is what will happen. A lot of offshoots will be created, and perhaps avoid certain ways that WikiLeaks has produced a "front" of sorts. Information and transparency will be the big sellers.

US embassy cables: UK demands will hamper fight against terror, says US
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/153879

US embassy cables: Putin's links to Russia's oil trade
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/179661
 
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speedpop said:
I'm thinking this is what will happen. A lot of offshoots will be created, and perhaps avoid certain ways that WikiLeaks has produced a "front" of sorts. Information and transparency will be the big sellers.
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Yeah, though I wonder how they will remain transparent.

theignoramus said:
Right, but how does that benefit Moscow? The Turks just end up buying more US arms
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Causing more debt, more economic issues, more PR issues with Europe, Army-Civilian issues, and in general destabilize the country.
 
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Synth_floyd said:
Ugh Wikileaks needs to get rid of this guy. He's trying to make the movement more about him than about releasing information. Wikileaks should fashion itself more after the group "anonymous" than a traditional organization.
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And how would that work?

"A faceless group which hasn't met the press or anyone have released some .txt files it claims are leaked secret documents from world governments! Are they real, what do they contain? We have no idea we haven't had the time to read them and have no idea who released it or how they obtained it, other than what they said in their robot-voiced youtube video with a slideshow of funny cats."

And it is far more likely to get completely out of hand when the info is basically spread by a completely faceless group, as well as being much less professional, and much more likely to be used to propagate bullshit.

But yeah, I'm sure you have a better idea of how to run this thing than the people who actually built up wikileaks.

Manos: The Hans of Fate said:
I'm interested to see if that's what the splinter Wikileaks group will do. Maybe they'll also release more than one at once.
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They didn't use to release documents one by one. They got completely overwhelmed with leaks when they published the Afghanistan leak, which is likely part of the Iraq as well as the current leak. They had to stop receiving leaks because they couldn't handle all they were getting, and didn't want to keep the channels open leading people to risk their lives leaking info without it ever being published. They have too much stuff already to publish, heck they have stuff on Bank of America that they announced back in 2009 but have yet to release. Fact is they NEED to have other sites take things up from here.

Hey, maybe this out "Wikileaks staff members quit out of argument with Assange" is bullshit and they are really doing that to setup a parallel organization that will be fed leaks by alternate sources that don't want to deal with Wikileaks. Might as well create your own competition yourself if you know you'll have some down the line anyway! :D
 
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Well, I think both of those views lack the necessary subtlety. The United States has some immutable traditions, which, to be fair, are based on the French Revolution and the European Enlightenment. The United States' Founding Fathers took those further, and the federalism of the United States also, of relatively powerful states trying to constrain federal government from becoming too centralized. Also added some important democratic controls and understandings. So there is a lot of good that has historically come from the United States. But after World War II, during World War II, the federal government of the United States started sucking the resources to the center, and the power of states started to diminish. Interestingly, the First Amendment started overriding states' laws around that time, which I see as a function of increasing central power in the United States. I think the problems with the United States as a foreign power stem from, simply, its economic success, whereby it's, historically at least, a very rich country with a number of people and the desire left over as a result of ... Let me explain this a bit better. The U.S. saw the French Revolution and it also saw the behavior of the U.K. and the other kings and dictatorships, so it intentionally produced a very weak President. The President was, however, given a lot of power for external relations, so as time has gone by, the presidency has managed to exercise its power through its foreign affairs function. If we look at what happened with Obama and health care reform, we see this extraordinary situation where Obama [indecipherable] can order strikes against U.S. citizens overseas but is not able to pass, at least not easily and not in the form that he wanted, a health reform bill domestically. And that seems to be ... the very good idea, which was to try and keep the country free from dictatorship by keeping the presidency weak. But as the United States has grown economically, that has led to a situation where the foreign affairs power is latched on to by central government to increase the power of the government, as opposed to state government. The U.S. is, I don't think by world standards, an exception, rather it is a very interesting case both for its abuses and for some of its founding principles.
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Assange says it perfectly in the Time interview.
 
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It's interesting to note the investigation Spain did against the Russian mafia, and perhaps how deeply entrenched they are within the Russian government - or at the very least having ties to it. Pretty sure most people already had allusions to it though.
 
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Drkirby said:
Maybe catagorize these by nation?
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Thought about it but I'm too lazy. Most of it involves the U.S. in some way, except for the stuff about Russia today. I'm just going to attach stuff chronologically as it comes out.
 
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theignoramus said:
Right, but how does that benefit Moscow? The Turks just end up buying more US arms
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It's always been popular to help your enemies' enemies when it comes to foreign policy, you should know that.
 
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speedpop said:
It's interesting to note the investigation Spain did against the Russian mafia, and perhaps how deeply entrenched they are within the Russian government - or at the very least having ties to it. Pretty sure most people already had allusions to it though.
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Well you know it wasnt freelancers beating, harrassing, and killing journalists and human rights defenders.

It's always been popular to help your enemies' enemies when it comes to foreign policy, you should know that.
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But at the same time, the Russians refused to sell iran the s-300s.
 
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Lard said:
Thought about it but I'm too lazy. Most of it involves the U.S. in some way, except for the stuff about Russia today. I'm just going to attach stuff chronologically as it comes out.
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Well, these are all US docs as far as I know, so it mostly would be what nation they are talking about.
 
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thanks for the thread i think im gonna start reading up on this

edit: :lol at the cat incident
 
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A more anonymous group focused more on getting stuff out and less on their media-hungry leader is what the movement needs. I find it ironic that a group bent on routing out corruption and evil and secrecy is lead by a guy who describes his role in the group as:

"I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original coder, organizer, financier and all the rest. If you have a problem with me, piss off."
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When groups become more about the people involved than the ideas they support, then bad stuff can happen. I believe wikileaks is doing great stuff and hope they keep doing it but I don't really get such a good vibe from Assange.
 
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Synth_floyd said:
A more anonymous group focused more on getting stuff out and less on their media-hungry leader is what the movement needs. I find it ironic that a group bent on routing out corruption and evil and secrecy is lead by a guy who describes his role in the group as:



When groups become more about the people involved than the ideas they support, then bad stuff can happen. I believe wikileaks is doing great stuff and hope they keep doing it but I don't really get such a good vibe from Assange.
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How does it imply the group is about him? He's the founder, he started it all, it's the equivalent of his own company. Of course the members who don't like him can fuck off. That being said, are they really against him, or is this a ploy to create a fake competitor, a double agent organization of sorts, knowing that it would be likely that the US or others would seek to create an alternate entity they could control themselves anyway, and that they would run to any former member who has a beef with the group??? dun dun dun! :lol

And in the end, that group will have to release more shocking material to get any attention.
 
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Synth_floyd said:
When groups become more about the people involved than the ideas they support, then bad stuff can happen. I believe wikileaks is doing great stuff and hope they keep doing it but I don't really get such a good vibe from Assange.
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Well he's from north QLD, it's practically a prerequisite to be an arsehole when you're from there (though I do know quite a few people from there and it must be my luck that they are awesome people).

Anyway, enough of the Assange show. We have other threads where that junk can be put into.


Here are Spain's findings toward the relationship of Russia and the mafia via US cables.

Spain's investigations into the Russian mafia
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/223006

Spanish investigation exposes Russian mafia links
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/223012

Russia is virtual 'mafia state', says Spanish investigator
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/247712

Russian mafia outmanoeuvre Spanish prosecutors
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/229718
 
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theignoramus said:
Right, but how does that benefit Moscow? The Turks just end up buying more US arms
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Russia's only warm water docks on the western side of the country are on the Black Sea, which is only accessible to open ocean (the Sea of Marmara, the Aegean Sea, the Mediterranean Sea, into the Atlantic Ocean) via the Turkish Straights. This is an issue because all sea shipped goods to and from Russia, such as cars or other large scale products such as oil MUST come through those straits. Now as you can imagine, there are costs associated with using this strait, so it cuts into business if Turkey is too closely enforcing the tolls.
 
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