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[sleepykyo]

Rape fantasies are nothing new, but I've never heard the term "non-con" before. It's fine if it remains a fantasy and nothing more. On the subject of cultural attitudes, though, I feel like an abundance of that type of content is a symptom (or reflection) of elements in a culture rather than stuff like this necessarily contributing to it becoming a reality.

Short for non-consensual. Also forced. The responses are higher for nc/forced and lower for rape even though the terms refer to the same thing.

 

[Necromanti]

Short for non-consensual. Also forced. The responses are higher for nc/forced and lower for rape even though the terms refer to the same thing.

Yeah, I realized what it meant after a few seconds, but it just seemed strangely...euphemistic.

I....really? Been around at least 15 years now. And, I'm not sure what you're saying here but I don't think it'd be too far out of line to suggest that society as a whole is getting kinkier.

I don't operate in circles that use the term and don't know much about BDSM in general. What I meant was that some of the comments (esp. on the article) implying how it encourages a certain attitude towards women have the causality backward. I don't think people are getting "kinkier", necessarily; they are just more open about it (or feel that they are able to) now.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

Doujinshi: It's Not Just For Japan Anymore!

If you ever wanted to see the contrast between the Gaming and Off Topic forums, here it is.

This pic is imploding in on itself.

 

[IvorB]

Hmmm... interesting. Thanks for the heads up, OP. *heads to xv***os*

 

[superseohyun]

People who are into non-consensual sex or porn frighten me a lot, regardless of its fictional or virtual nature. Like really really frighten me :/

do ppl who are into GTA or Hot Miami scare you to the same extent?

 

[Bluekaveli]

Cliff notes please

 

[XxSlasherMcGirkxX]

I feel like this topic is one of those rare things that the majority of GAF is behind the times in. The quality and realisticness of CG porn has really gone up exponentially in the last couple of years. While nude mods where all the rage in the past now people can more easily extract models directly from the games. The biggest offenders I've seen have been Tomb Raider, Mass Effect, WoW, Bioshock Infinite, Ninja Gaiden and nearly every non PS1 Resident Evil game.

 

[Paracelsus]

do ppl who are into GTA or Hot Miami scare you to the same extent?

Are you turned on sexually from running over people with your car and shooting hookers in the head? If that's the case, then yes.

 

[Basketball]

Cliff notes please

Lara croft model from the 2013 using lots of grunts , groans from the game

gets caught like in the game then except the part where she breaks free and escapes ...

she is abused and raped over and over. extremely NSFW

She kills them all though in the end I think

Film called Lara in Trouble ... 1st hit on google

 

[IvorB]

Cliff notes please

Just go and watch it.

It's actually better quality animation than I expected. The audio could use some work though.

 

[Kama_1082]

The first porno game I ever played was back in the early 90s and it was call something like: "Immoral I-cumbat" or something like that. It was a wolfenstien clone where you jerked off and shot your load at enemies lol

 

[wildfire]

I was expecting this to happen. I didn't know it already did.

 

[superseohyun]

Are you turned on sexually from running over people with your car and shooting hookers in the head? If that's the case, then yes.

so as long as its not sexually related, you dont find it as big a problem to brutally murder ppl in video game. Good to know.

 

[RipperGrim]

People getting pleasure from depictions of rape is just fucked up.

 

[Lime]

And this is all still done under a fantasy framework. For people who get off on this, it's easy for them to make the distinction. You are scared, which is fine, but I'd be wary of judging others. Watch any Kink video and they'll go on about this where the model should feel safe, be not pressured to continue anything, that this is what she wants, and the fantasy can be stopped at any time. That's live-action porn. This is animated porn so don't even need that disclaimer to separate fantasy from reality.

Of course with anything, there might be some who want to transfer this to IRL. But they'll face the full consequences of the law and will be condemned by these people.

Sure, it's virtual, it's simulated, that's all fine. But just like I'm worried by the guy saying he really enjoyed the interactive torture sections in GTA5 or that he found Rapelay funny, so too am I worried by someone who gets off seeing virtual people begging for their life, screaming in pain, being raped, etc. Again, this is a personal thing for me, I'm not saying these people should be in jail or punished in any way - I just am not going to be alone in a room with that type of person. I don't think this should be a controversial position to have.

 

[MonsterHunter]

Are you turned on sexually from running over people with your car and shooting hookers in the head? If that's the case, then yes.

The majority are certainly having a good time when the play. Or maybe you have the mindset of watching an Auschwitz documentary while playing

 

[Zukuu]

Sure, it's virtual, it's simulated, that's all fine. But just like I'm worried by the guy saying he really enjoyed the interactive torture sections in GTA5 or that he found Rapelay funny, so too am I worried by someone who gets off seeing virtual people begging for their life, screaming in pain, being raped, etc. Again, this is a personal thing for me, I'm not saying these people should be in jail or punished in any way - I just am not going to be alone in a room with that type of person. I don't think this should be a controversial position to have.

But you're comfortable with people who are slaughtering, murdering, and killing hundreds of hundreds of "virtual" people every day. Gotcha.

 

[Femmeworth]

But you're comfortable with people who are slaughtering, murdering, and killing hundreds of hundreds of "virtual" people every day. Gotcha.

I wish this false equivalency would go away.

 

[Some Nobody]

I wish this false equivalency would go away.

Yep, I'm gonna need you to go ahead and defend this argument.

 

[Nickle]

Rape fantasies are normal, just look at the success of 50 Shades of Grey. I understand why it would turn some people off, but to me they are as harmless as running over a pedestrian in GTA.

 

[mantidor]

So when do we

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re

discover hentai

Do people even call it hentai these days? with how japanocentric these guys seem to be using the completely westernized term "hentai" is just odd.

This whole thing is hardly surprising, so it calls my attention someone thought it was article-worthy, it has existed for ages and will continue to do so.

 

[Lime]

But you're comfortable with people who are slaughtering, murdering, and killing hundreds of hundreds of "virtual" people every day. Gotcha.

Your answer is in the post you just quoted.

On a Sidenote (and this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand so please don't use this as a platform to argue about the post you just quoted): you need to distinguish between various ways in which virtual violence is depicted. Contextualization, presentation, moral ramifications, feedback system, and many other things go into determining the ethical status of the virtual violence in question. Not all virtual violence is equal.

 

[sensui-tomo]

I wish this false equivalency would go away.

I wish the bad logic of "you look at virtual digital rape of a nonexistent character therefor you are messed up and would probably rape someone" would go away, since thats what brings up the whole "you play violent games therefor you outta hurt someone too" mentality, the sad part is, we dont have any substantial evidence that looking at stuff would link to someone actually committing the acts portrayed. The only thing i believe does exist is a study of what happens if you remove the source(or in this case Take away the porn) from a person, causing negative effects. Is it hard that people can tell the difference between whats real and whats not? Now i'm sure there is an issue with people who cant tell the difference and that is a bad thing since they may be more likely to commit acts, because they have mental issues.

 

[Crash Station]

To be honest. I doubt most of them watch realistic rape porn. It's like that joke from Life of Brian. "Were you raped" "Well, at first, yes". Halfway through the whole thing the women starts to enjoy it. Plus it's shot in unrealistic way.

Compare it to truly disturbing rape scenes form normal movies. I doubt anyone normal jacked off to Irreversible, because that looked like real rape

Maybe? I'd hardly call myself an expert on rape porn, but I'd be surprised if a good chunk of it didn't keep it un-enjoyable for the "victim" the whole way through.

Context is everything, so it would be quite different when framed as a scene in a movie utilizing rape as drama. Of course I'm sure plenty of people jack/jill off to those as well.

 

[IvorB]

People getting pleasure from depictions of rape is just fucked up.

No rational man can deny the depravity that exists in the human psyche. Why demonise people for urges they have no control over? As long as they harm no one, what's the problem? You would be surprised how many people close to you harbour such fantasies.

 

[Hyun Sai]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in the US you can be sentenced to death for a murder, but not for a rape ?

It's kinda reversed in the virtual world, where murder is acceptable and rape taboo ?

It's a sensible subject, but interesting nonetheless.

 

[DICKS AHOY]

If somebody is creating entirely fictional, drawn/modeled/animated porn and it includes subject material you find disgusting, then depending on the context (I.e. I find it dumb how easy it is to find fetish smut on deviantART or tumblr while browsing considering the teen audience and the clearly marked 'adult' tags) I still think it's more than a bit shit to judge them so harshly. It isn't fair to one person who is fully self-aware of themselves and what they're getting off to is something that should purely stay in fantasy to be compared to somebody else with serious issues who starts to let their behavior be warped by was intended to be dumb internet porn.

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plus sentence splicing like in Zone's flash parodies are fucking hilarious at times

 

[bryehn]

classic kotaku clickbait article

Uh...that was one of the best things I've seen on non-Deadpin Gawker in a while.

 

[mantidor]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in the US you can be sentenced to death for a murder, but not for a rape ?

It's kinda reversed in the virtual world, where murder is acceptable and rape taboo ?

It's a sensible subject, but interesting nonetheless.

Rape is very taboo in the real world.

Death as a sentence only happens if someone died as far as I know, if your crime was absolutely heinous, but you didn't kill anyone you are not getting the death penalty, even though many people would wish for it.

 

[meppi]

Didn't even know this was a thing and to be honest, I would have preferred it if I kept it that way.

 

[ShinMaruku]

No rational man can deny the depravity that exists in the human psyche. Why demonise people for urges they have no control over? As long as they harm no one, what's the problem? You would be surprised how many people close to you harbour such fantasies.

Most people are not rational. But what you say is right. As long as people never act out those urges and keep it in this way there is no foul.

What is foul would be to deny that their lies darkness in the human heart. The ones who are aware of it and control it are to be commended and not demonized,

 

[IvorB]

Rape is very taboo in the real world.

Death as a sentence only happens if someone died as far as I know, if your crime was absolutely heinous, but you didn't kill anyone you are not getting the death penalty, even though many people would wish for it.

You can be sentenced to death for tax evasion, adultery, homosexuality and many other things. Not in the US obviously but there is a big, wide world out there.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

So much judging in here. Rape is a terrible thing, but BDSM and consensual "nonconsensual" role play is a pretty common kink. If it isn't hurting someone (or if it is because they want it to hurt), why get on a high horse about it. People are weird when it comes to judging what other adults do in the bedroom for fun.

 

[unholyrevenger72]

Can't wait for Studio FOW's next work.

Anyway this is all a Power Fantasy. People like this because it represents a underlying fantasy not because they really want to rape some one. For example people don't like playing as Kratos because they like him as a character, they enjoy it for what he represents, the Ultimate Power and Rage fantasy, that people know they can't really tap into without making the 6 o'clock news.

 

[345triangle]

classic kotaku clickbait article

man, come on. i get that you've learned a new word, but it's not as cool as you think it is.

 

[Crash Station]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think in the US you can be sentenced to death for a murder, but not for a rape ?

It's kinda reversed in the virtual world, where murder is acceptable and rape taboo ?

It's a sensible subject, but interesting nonetheless.

I'm pretty sure high treason is the only action that can lead to capital punishment in the US. At least on the national level. Not sure how much it varies from state to state.

 

[Mask]

That's a pretty click-baity title there, Kotaku.

Brutal is a strong word. I wouldn't consider them that, because it's created using 3D models of non-existant people, and as much as people may find it disgusting or gross, some people DO have those fetishes, and if they're sticking to videos of 3D models being mashed against each other, then it ain't hurting anyone.

Really though, this is the tip of the iceberg compared to the millions of drawn art, hentai videos, flash games and stories on the internet.

 

[MonsterHunter]

Unless you wrap yourself in cotton wool and hide in your room for life, you're going to be around people with all manner of kinks and fantasies.

Although we could round these people up for their abhorrent bedroom kinks. Russia passed such laws relating to those sick homosexuals and their corruption of children.

 

[synce]

Finally an interesting Kotaku article

 

[sleepykyo]

Sure, it's virtual, it's simulated, that's all fine. But just like I'm worried by the guy saying he really enjoyed the interactive torture sections in GTA5 or that he found Rapelay funny, so too am I worried by someone who gets off seeing virtual people begging for their life, screaming in pain, being raped, etc. Again, this is a personal thing for me, I'm not saying these people should be in jail or punished in any way - I just am not going to be alone in a room with that type of person. I don't think this should be a controversial position to have.

It isn't a controversial position. Just a hard one to maintain in practice given a 33%-50% chance of someone having fantasized about being on one end or the other.

 

[BamfMeat]

.....it's all fake. You know that right? Nobody is really hurting these fictonal characters.

Absolutely. And note I didn't say I thought it should be illegal or anything like that. But the idea of me, personally, hurting someone else by forcing them to do something.... Its not something I want or choose to even think about. Or see someone do that to other people. I tend to be very uncomfortable with selections of rape in movies as well.

I said it makes me want to cry because, while this is fantasy, the people who have this happen to them in real life... They can't just walk away and be like "ppffftt that was just some crazyass pron! ". I am aware these are fictional characters but in my head I can't help but think that there are people who've gone through this. To me, its horrifying and sad as fuck. I guess I connect it way too easily with " real life" even if it has no connection whatsoever.

Again I Dont think it should be banned, illegal, etc. Just my own personal taste on it. No one is making me watch it. Its just how I feel.

 

[IvorB]

Most people are not rational. But what you say is right. As long as people never act out those urges and keep it in this way there is no foul.

What is foul would be to deny that their lies darkness in the human heart. The ones who are aware of it and control it are to be commended and not demonized,

Indeed. It is the ones who force their depravity on others that people should be concerned about. And lord knows there's enough of those around.

 

[Dragonborn]

Egh, not surprised.These kind of fantasies are pretty damn common, and it's only CGI so it hurts no one.

I'm more surprised to learn that there was an uproar over the Lara scene in the game. Like, an attractive woman is stranded on an island and captured by a band of unscrupulous criminals and people are surprised that they may try something like thay? Seriously?

Since this is made with Source, I wonder if they'll be delving into VR

 

[sensui-tomo]

Egh, not surprised.These kind of fantasies are pretty damn common, and it's only CGI so it hurts no one.

I'm more surprised to learn that there was an uproar over the Lara scene in the game. Like, an attractive woman is stranded on an island and captured by a band of unscrupulous criminals and people are surprised that they may try something like thay? Seriously?

Since this is made with Source, I wonder if they'll be delving into VR

Zone actually made a VR thing with elizabeth, so yeah VR is a thing some people are working on.

 

[block tower]

didnt know this stuff existed lol. pretty out there , but if thats your thing i guess its ok with me. although it is weird there's so much effort in making videos about iconic video game characters getting raped.

 

[SixMachine]

Looking at this thread title, I thought it was about other brutal game porn. I'm glad that wasn't posted since it might be not safe for your sanity.

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Like Demonphobia where it is gorn. That stuff really is hard to watch.

On topic though, not surprised and by all means they have every right to do this, since I think it's a parody. Looking it up it seems that they get money through donations and all their videos are free to download or watch, so I think they are legally clear. Unlike Japan where I believe artists can sell their doujinshi of popular series, I think if they actually do make it buy to watch companies can legally bring the hammer on them, but I'm no lawyer and someone who does know about copyright law can probably clarify.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Well.....i didnt know this existed, but now i do....this is a thing that happens

 

[Booshka]

I can't believe they missed a good opportunity to make a I Spit on Your Grave reference with the Lara Croft one.

Pretty easy, I Spit on Your Cave.

 

[Gun Animal]

It is a known fact that a number of men and women close to but not exceeding the majority enjoy BDSM, and that the rest of us think those men and women are weird and gross.

Are you turned on sexually from running over people with your car and shooting hookers in the head? If that's the case, then yes.

Let it be known that simulated violence is unproblematic as long as you are flaccid.

 

[RadarScope1]

Just read the whole thing. Pretty amazing piece. She treated the subject matter with more respect than it probably deserves.