Not even the same comparison. Why would they be turned on sexually by the violence? Why is THAT the only emotional response? The question you should ask is "Is there a visceral thrill from running over people with your car. . ."
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The people who make brutal video game porn
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Not even the same comparison. Why would they be turned on sexually by the violence? Why is THAT the only emotional response? The question you should ask is "Is there a visceral thrill from running over people with your car. . ."
OFFIS
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2,845,551 times, also the same video has been uploaded multiple times on the same site. Views:
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PeskyToaster
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Interesting. Most things don't bother me in games but this stuff does cause me some discomfort and it's nothing I would actively seek out (more like actively avoid). It's weird though because I'm okay with playing games with torture like that GTA scene and we all play games with loads and loads of killing. I can't say how exactly I've come to draw this line but it's there and it's not exactly rational.
Monocle
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Interesting article, much more thorough and even handed than I expected.
Rape porn may be disturbing, but when there are no actual people involved, and all the artists and actors are consenting adults who enjoy their work, I don't see much of a problem with it. As far as I'm aware, there's no correlation between enjoying rape fantasies and endorsing or perpetrating actual sexual violence.
Lolicon is super nasty, I will say that. Again though, as long as no one's actually hurt, it shouldn't be censored.
Rape porn may be disturbing, but when there are no actual people involved, and all the artists and actors are consenting adults who enjoy their work, I don't see much of a problem with it. As far as I'm aware, there's no correlation between enjoying rape fantasies and endorsing or perpetrating actual sexual violence.
Lolicon is super nasty, I will say that. Again though, as long as no one's actually hurt, it shouldn't be censored.
Gun Animal
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You misunderstand, what he's saying is that enjoying simulated violence is only problematic if the enjoyment is sexual in nature. This is the feeling held by many and it can be concluded that the problem is the sexuality more than the violence.
An ex gf from a few years ago liked to rol play this stuff, I'd say it isn't that uncommon.
Don't get why people keep comparing killing in a video game to simulated/animated rape.
How is that even close to similar?
Both are fictional, and that's pretty much the extent of it. Otherwise you're comparing apples and oranges in terms of content presentation.
Furthermore, I recall many going into a colossal breakdown over the implication of rape in Tomb Raider, but now suddenly it's totally cool because it's just porn. What.
Mr_Antimatter
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This would be pretty interesting if it wasn't hardcore rape with the usual 'rape her till she mind breaks and loves it' that you see in hentai.
sensui-tomo
Member
Its just wanking material, it doesnt hurt nobody until there is scientific fact that people who watch rape porn will rape people at one point but again there isnt (different strokes for different folks), for me the difference between hatred and hotline miami is one thing, justified murder but that game is banned for discussion on gaf sadly and we cant talk about it.
Basically you have people arguing the same fact that Digital media doesnt influence people (which would be better wording) basically its people trying to get other people to stop judging them on what they like to get off on,(which some other people think "hey he likes rape, therefor he must be a rapist or need serious help" and that person may never even rape anyone but will be judged as a rapist none the less just because he gets off on the porn)
Yep. To say that's disturbing doesn't quite cut it.
sensui-tomo
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Parents need to do their jobs and put parental locks on porn, or better yet, explain all that stuff and make it as awkward as possible for both parties. If the parent explains sex to the kid, no problem. Trying to hide it(porn/sex) however, that can be very detrimental to their health.
Shpeshal Nick
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So weird how this article pops up the night after I watch both Lara in trouble and Kunoichi Broken Princess.
Did you enjoy these masterpieces of cinema?
jediyoshi
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They know.
I think they gonna add a third layer to that with the Bioshock one. Huehuehuehue. jeepers.
sensui-tomo
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Well that topic has been a subject that has been on the rise lately, there was a thread in Off topic about that genre of porn and how its being viewed alot. (I'm really trying to talk here without going overbounds, i dont want a ban )
Gun Animal
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While wrong, this is a reasonable misunderstanding.
"He likes cereal, therefor he must eat cereal" etc.
Most reasonable, non-insane men would just say they like "rough sex" even though it's only distinguishable from consent-play by replacing so many instances of "Yes" with "No." It's a small compromise to avoid being thought of as someone who "likes rape."
Crash Station
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Link?
Northeastmonk
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I read somewhere where watching these types of role play videos actually decreases the chances of a person offending. Granted the adult entertainment industry has made billions on relating incest and rape to enjoying sex isn't what's shocking here. We're relating a beloved character in an actual scene of rape. This is beyond the ESRB or any rating system at this point. It's like how there are parodies to The Simpsons, Flinstones, and Family Guy. All of them are an XXX parody. The shows themselves talk about sex or the biological factors are already set in stone (eg: the Flinstones have two married couples with young children). I don't believe it will get the industry a head in terms of how successful they are. I would say the XXX parodies have more of an influence on the market. I don't think we're at that level yet. How many people own a DvD or Blu-Ray of erotic 3D porn in Maya or 3DS MAX ? Is there even a market for such a thing in gaming? Adult games are found somewhere far from what we call the "normal state of gaming". Some sort of hybrid MMO or fantasy world. Second Life isn't necessarily all graphic sex either. No one makes an OT of an AO game or at least nothing I'm aware of.
Porn is very much a taboo topic of discussion. It's not that it's bad or anything, it's just very very taboo.
Porn is very much a taboo topic of discussion. It's not that it's bad or anything, it's just very very taboo.
Crash Station
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oh lol, didn't realize that's what he was talking about as I know nothing about Bioshock. That thread was funny.
Spring-Loaded
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Danny Trejo in a DoA porn? lololol
While looking through the article, I kept thinking this was a sign we're living in a cyberpunk dystopia with the seedy underworld cyberporn industry flourishing as it is. Learning Danny Trejo has banged Kasumi has confirmed this for me.
EDIT: I also initially thought the screenshot was from the porn
sensui-tomo
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I probably could have worded it better.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=999383 it was closed by modbot, and i dont know how derailed it got.
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In that bioshock video they'll be making elizabeth will be having sex with Booker dewitt aka her father as is later found out in the game
keisuke999
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Many women have rape fantasies. but, of course no one wants to actually be raped.
Many men have domination fantasies (both ways, I guess) but most don't act on them.
I agree these videos are quite brutal, but (and I know many people don't like this phrase) it is just a fantasy, using fantasy characters.
I say it's better to have a way of clearing these fantasies out, rather than keep the tension boiled up inside until you do or say something stupid/illegal. IF someone gets off to rape fantasy, isn't it better they have a video to enjoy instead of having to repress all their feelings?
Many men have domination fantasies (both ways, I guess) but most don't act on them.
I agree these videos are quite brutal, but (and I know many people don't like this phrase) it is just a fantasy, using fantasy characters.
I say it's better to have a way of clearing these fantasies out, rather than keep the tension boiled up inside until you do or say something stupid/illegal. IF someone gets off to rape fantasy, isn't it better they have a video to enjoy instead of having to repress all their feelings?
sensui-tomo
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Calling them a studio, well that'd a bit much, its more like 3 or 4 people working on it.
Riposte
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I've noticed "SFM" threads while browsing /gif/ (for purely Christian research reasons). Apparently when Valve released that movie maker stuff it started a little revolution for 3D porn in the west. There are so many of these and now people have paetrons for it. Hilariously unexpected consequences.
The way Darkcrow talks about porn is amusing and somewhat respectable, someone taking his craft seriously.
The way Darkcrow talks about porn is amusing and somewhat respectable, someone taking his craft seriously.
This is pretty much how I feel. It's strange to me, but it's also harmless. It's just another take on a pretty common type of porn. The only thing I find truly disturbing (and I'm only about halfway through the article) is the focus on physical damage. Broken ribs, etc. But this sort of thing is far better than some alternative behaviors which might manifest if this and similar material weren't available.
King Tubby
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There is a huge difference between enjoying a fantasy between consenting adults and taking delight in actual suffering. Just like it's absurd to think that a woman who likes to be dominated would want to be actually raped.
sensui-tomo
Member
I don't think anyone takes pleasure in Actual rape. (besides you know rapists or some masochists)
Yet the existence and popularity of these movies suggests there is a considerable audience for this material. If someone is already fantasizing about this type of violence, it stands to reason that a release will do them more good than just burying it and pretending it doesn't exist.
sensui-tomo
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A release is good than the alternative and taking it away from them once they've already had it, the government tried that once, what was it called .... oh right Prohibition and that worked out all right
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Burgess_101
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Whatever floats your boat, there is definitely a market for this kind of stuff so at least people are being catered too.
King Tubby
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No, I am agreeing with you. I consider something between fictional characters to be equivalent to a live action video between, again, consenting adults. If nobody's getting hurt there isn't an issue. I don't think people fantasizing about this type of violence would go out and do it even in the absence of it.
The broken bone stuff might be over the top, but I fail to see what makes this disgusting and awful vs what you might find on kink.com (nsfw obviously).
Wiktor
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So it's fine to feel pleasure from brutally murdering thousands of people as long as that pleasure isn't of sexual variety?
keisuke999
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CadetMahoney
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Isn't part of censorship to stop ppl having access to these things. Fictional rape porn is illegal some parts to just own/view, can't sell it legally on shelves in US like vanilla porn. So gubment thinks there's a "foul" just existing and bans it. So there's a big gulf of opinion between the two. I think gubment is fighting an uphill battle if this is so common everyone has something "bad" on their PC's, don't ask don't tell seems to be the status quo.
I'm not against porn on principle, and I suppose having porn with animated characters on it avoids a lot of the the shady stuff that often goes with the porn industry as I understand, but I can't help but wonder what this stuff is doing to people's sex lives. We all know not anyone who watches this stuff is not of legal age, and I reckon porn is usually most consumed by those who don't have an active sex life, i.e. young people. I just wince of the thought of masses of youngsters whose sex ed mainly comes from porn, especially extreme violent porn. How fulfilling is their actual sex lives going to be?
I remember reading a study on porn some years ago that basically found that people who consume porn are less satisfied with real sex, and also women whose spouses consume porn are less happy with their sex lives (i.e. men who watch a lot of porn tend not to be considerate lovers). I don't know how valid that study was and it was some time ago since I saw it, but it's not hard to believe. At least I won't believe that porn has no effect on people beyond arousal.
I remember reading a study on porn some years ago that basically found that people who consume porn are less satisfied with real sex, and also women whose spouses consume porn are less happy with their sex lives (i.e. men who watch a lot of porn tend not to be considerate lovers). I don't know how valid that study was and it was some time ago since I saw it, but it's not hard to believe. At least I won't believe that porn has no effect on people beyond arousal.