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I hope Konex is watching this game so he can show me where all the "constant defensive pressure and double-teams" against Kobe are. :lol Dude hasn't been doubled once, either on the perimeter or in the post (where it would be easier to do). And this despite the fact that he's lighting them up. :lol
Cloudy said:
Err, they aren't doubling him when Rip is defending him, they aren't doubling him when Prince is playing him. Yeah, if he goes off for 40, they'll double him-- just like they would anyone who went off. :lol
EDIT: I mean, don't get me wrong-- they give "weak" help, like just then on the post-up, where Wallace put his arms up and came over halfway, but only after Kobe dribbled around for about 5 seconds (during which time he should've made his move-- but Kobe's not an efficient player like that
). I guess I just don't see the defensive pressure that "no other star perimeter player gets" like everyone (read: everyone named Kobex 
) talks about.Cloudy said:
Only the half-assed one in the post-up area just before break (see my edit above). Catching at the foul line and having the next defender over waiting to help out if you drive isn't a "double team"-- it's solid team defense that's played against every good player.
EDIT: Yup, more sterling defensive pressure against Kobe. :lol Nobody else within 15 feet of him, even at the rim.
LMAO @ the 3-second call against Hamilton and Tolbert's criticism of it despite the fact that Kobe was in the lane TWICE as long as Rip was earlier in the game and threw about 3 times as many pump fakes. :lol Gotta love it.
Hah, Kobe almost turns the ball over trying to be too cute with the dribble (like I said earlier), and is fortunate to get it back and find Mihm. Man, the refs are REALLY being patient with Rasheed Wallace-- they haven't T'ed him up despite his antics. Guess that one year of good behavior last season had some effect. :lol
Hah, Kobe almost turns the ball over trying to be too cute with the dribble (like I said earlier), and is fortunate to get it back and find Mihm. Man, the refs are REALLY being patient with Rasheed Wallace-- they haven't T'ed him up despite his antics. Guess that one year of good behavior last season had some effect. :lol
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DMczaf said:
:lol
Holy shit! He is only missing the horns.
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Loki said:
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Loki said:I mean, don't get me wrong-- they give "weak" help, like just then on the post-up, where Wallace put his arms up and came over halfway, but only after Kobe dribbled around for about 5 seconds (during which time he should've made his move-- but Kobe's not an efficient player like that ). I guess I just don't see the defensive pressure that "no other star perimeter player gets" like everyone (read: everyone named Kobex
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Loki said:I don't even know how Detroit's up so much. Watching the game, it seems as though both teams are scoring at roughly the same rate. Nice half by Kobe-- 14 pts and 7 assists. Those were definitely all "Stackhouse Assists"®, though.
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No wonder Kobe is shooting so horribly this season. He can't get the same elevation he used to with you hanging from his nuts like that.
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LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
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I still crack up at Starbury owning Yao :lol
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Trailer download link...
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I still crack up at Starbury owning Yao :lol
The Hawks will Waive Payton and the Celtics will Resign him. Book it. If they do manage to get Walker and keep payton Ainge is a genius as that would mean they got Walker for a draft pick and some stiffs. And after watching Walker last night get 24 points and 10 boards in his debut this deal is looking good as the Celtics really needed an inside scorer and rebounder. They could be a dangerous team come playoff time with three big time scorers in Walker, Peirce, and Davis.
Matrix said:The Year of the Yao :lol
http://www.yearoftheyao.com/
Trailer download link...
http://www.yearoftheyao.com/trailer/trailer1_700.mov
Opa - "Yaoooo ming is cummmming"
:lol
I still crack up at Starbury owning Yao :lol
That movie rocks
Too bad Yao's so soft, this movie really makes you want to cheer for him.bionic77 said:
Fixed.
Btw, he may, in fact, end up shooting better than 46% for the rest of the season, but based on his volume of shots (< 15 FGA per game, with nearly as many FT's as FGA's, which is the only way he can seem to shoot > 45%), his season % will still end up around 43-44%, not the 48% you insisted it would be. BionicONWED.
Loki said:Fixed.
BionicONWED.
48% is pretty much impossible for Kobe to reach, just because of the subpar first half. He will end up at about 44-45% at the end of the season, which would be a decent season for Kobe. Good thing for me that we agreed on Kobe only shooting 41%.
P.S. Konex, please stop blaming Laker losses on every player other then Kobe. That is almost as annoying as Loki's blind hatred for Kobe. Great players can carry shitty teams to the playoffs by themselves. All the great players have done this in their careers. Duncan, Hakeem, and hell even David Robinson did it a few times. Kobe needs to lead a bad team to the playoffs, or else he really risks becoming the next Jordan. :lol
Loki said:You do realize that Jordan led possibly the worst teams in history to the playoffs singlehandedly for four straight years, right? Even to the second round once. Alone.
Oh, and...48%.
Singlehandedly? Your insanity knows no bounds!
And he never did shit in the playoffs without Pippen.
P.S. I was refering to his embarassing failures with the Wizards whereas Pippen seemed to take the Blazers to the brink of another NBA championship.....
Hmm, who was really behind those rings?
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Vgamer said:
The Suns have expressed interest in picking up GP as a backup to Steve Nash. If the Hawks buy him out, don't count on him going back to the Celts. He's already expressed a desire to go back to the Western conference for a contender, and that is exactly what the Suns are.
bionic77 said:Singlehandedly? Your insanity knows no bounds!
And he never did shit in the playoffs without Pippen.
P.S. I was refering to his embarassing failures with the Wizards whereas Pippen seemed to take the Blazers to the brink of another NBA championship.....
Hmm, who was really behind those rings?
Oh is that so? Let's examine these claims...
Jordan led one of the worst teams in history (actually "teams", because each year the players changed, negating any continuity) to the playoffs for four straight seasons ('84-'85 through '88-'89), including to the second round once (1988-89). As for your "Pippen" comment, please realize that Pippen (and Grant) didn't develop into competent players until midway through the '89-'90 season. Here are the stats for Pippen and Grant from '88-'89, which is when Jordan, averaging an NBA record 45.6 ppg against Cleveland in the first round, propelled them past the Cavs and into the conference semis against Detroit:
Pippen: 7.9 points, 3.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists per game
Grant: 7.7 points, 5.5 rebounds, .7 blocks per game
Now, how do Kobe's current teammates stack up? Let's compare Odom and Mihm's numbers this season to Pippen and Grant's #'s above:
Odom: 15.5 points, 10.3 rebounds, 3.5 assists per game
Mihm: 10.5 points, 6.9 rebounds, 1.6 blocks per game
Now then, who exactly "had/has more help" again, Kobe or Jordan? :lol So yeah, those years ('84-'85 until '89-'90), he did it singlehandedly.
As for Pippen's contributions to the Blazers, their team winning percentage went from .700 in '99 (without Pippen) to .719 the year Pippen joined the team, an increase of 1.9%; they went from 3rd in the West the year prior to Pippen's arrival to 2nd in the West with him, a jump of one spot in the standings. Also keep in mind that they also added Steve Smith and his 15 ppg, played Bonzi Wells in many more games that season (66 vs. 7 in '99), and Rasheed's game was also improving. Pippen's line for the '00 season was 12.5 points, 6.3 reb, and 5 ast. in 34 minutes per game.
Now, Jordan's Wizards improved their winning percentage from .231 to .451, an increase of 22% over the previous year without Jordan. In addition, they were 6th in the East at the All-Star break before Jordan hurt his knee and needed surgery after finishing in 14th place the year prior, a jump of 8 spots. And those Wizards didn't include any notable players like Rasheed Wallace, Steve Smith, Damon Stoudamire, and Arvydas Sabonis, as Pippen's Blazers did. Jordan's line for '01: 23 ppg, 5.7 reb, 5.2 ast in 35 minutes per game.
Now, in light of having been edumacated (sic) by yours truly
, would you care to tell me again what sort of "impact" Pip had on the Blazers that Jordan did not more than equal on the Wizards (at age 39, no less-- 4 years older than Pip)? Because I just don't see it. This is not to say that Pippen was not a valuable contributor, either on those Blazer teams or (particularly) on the Chicago teams, because he certainly was-- in Chicago, he was the 40% to Jordan's 60%, which was incredible, considering. But in your quest to devalue Jordan's accomplishments and tarnish his legend, your blind hatred has led you astray; the facts are staring you right in the face above. For shame, bionic...for shame. It must all be in your head-- then again, so many things are.
For those who refuse to read all this, it can be summarized thusly: BionicOWNED.
Loki said:Oh is that so? Let's examine these claims...
Jordan led one of the worst teams in history (actually "teams", because each year the players changed, negating any continuity) to the playoffs for four straight seasons ('84-'85 through '88-'89), including to the second round once (1988-89). As for your "Pippen" comment, please realize that Pippen (and Grant) didn't develop into competent players until midway through the '89-'90 season. Here are the stats for Pippen and Grant from '88-'89, which is when Jordan, averaging an NBA record 45.6 ppg against Cleveland in the first round, propelled them past the Cavs and into the conference semis against Detroit:
Pippen: 7.9 points, 3.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists per game
Grant: 7.7 points, 5.5 rebounds, .7 blocks per game
Now, how do Kobe's current teammates stack up? Let's compare Odom and Mihm's numbers this season to Pippen and Grant's #'s above:
Odom: 15.5 points, 10.3 rebounds, 3.5 assists per game
Mihm: 10.5 points, 6.9 rebounds, 1.6 blocks per game
Now then, who exactly "had/has more help" again, Kobe or Jordan? :lol As for Pippen's contributions to the Blazers, their team winning percentage went from .700 in '99 (without Pippen) to .719 the year Pippen joined the team, an increase of 1.9%; they went from 3rd in the West the year prior to Pippen's arrival to 2nd in the West with him, a jump of one spot in the standings. Also keep in mind that they also added Steve Smith and his 15 ppg, played Bonzi Wells in many more games that season (66 vs. 7 in '99), and Rasheed's game was also improving. Pippen's line for the '00 season was 12.5 points, 6.3 reb, and 5 ast. in 34 minutes per game.
Now, Jordan's Wizards improved their winning percentage from .231 to .451, an increase of 22% over the previous year without Jordan. In addition, they were 6th in the East at the All-Star break before Jordan hurt his knee and needed surgery after finishing in 14th place the year prior, a jump of 8 spots. And those Wizards didn't include any notable players like Rasheed Wallace, Steve Smith, Damon Stoudamire, and Arvydas Sabonis, as Pippen's Blazers did. Jordan's line for '01: 23 ppg, 5.7 reb, 5.2 ast in 35 minutes per game.
Now, in light of having been edumacated (sic) by yours truly
It must all be in your head-- then again, so many things are.
For those who refuse to read all this, it can be summarized thusly: BionicOWNED.
Oh man, I knew it was coming
Loki said:Oh is that so? Let's examine these claims...
Jordan led one of the worst teams in history (actually "teams", because each year the players changed, negating any continuity) to the playoffs for four straight seasons ('84-'85 through '88-'89), including to the second round once (1988-89). As for your "Pippen" comment, please realize that Pippen (and Grant) didn't develop into competent players until midway through the '89-'90 season. Here are the stats for Pippen and Grant from '88-'89, which is when Jordan, averaging an NBA record 45.6 ppg against Cleveland in the first round, propelled them past the Cavs and into the conference semis against Detroit:
Pippen: 7.9 points, 3.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists per game
Grant: 7.7 points, 5.5 rebounds, .7 blocks per game
Now, how do Kobe's current teammates stack up? Let's compare Odom and Mihm's numbers this season to Pippen and Grant's #'s above:
Odom: 15.5 points, 10.3 rebounds, 3.5 assists per game
Mihm: 10.5 points, 6.9 rebounds, 1.6 blocks per game
Now then, who exactly "had/has more help" again, Kobe or Jordan? :lol So yeah, those years ('84-'85 until '89-'90), he did it singlehandedly.
As for Pippen's contributions to the Blazers, their team winning percentage went from .700 in '99 (without Pippen) to .719 the year Pippen joined the team, an increase of 1.9%; they went from 3rd in the West the year prior to Pippen's arrival to 2nd in the West with him, a jump of one spot in the standings. Also keep in mind that they also added Steve Smith and his 15 ppg, played Bonzi Wells in many more games that season (66 vs. 7 in '99), and Rasheed's game was also improving. Pippen's line for the '00 season was 12.5 points, 6.3 reb, and 5 ast. in 34 minutes per game.
Now, Jordan's Wizards improved their winning percentage from .231 to .451, an increase of 22% over the previous year without Jordan. In addition, they were 6th in the East at the All-Star break before Jordan hurt his knee and needed surgery after finishing in 14th place the year prior, a jump of 8 spots. And those Wizards didn't include any notable players like Rasheed Wallace, Steve Smith, Damon Stoudamire, and Arvydas Sabonis, as Pippen's Blazers did. Jordan's line for '01: 23 ppg, 5.7 reb, 5.2 ast in 35 minutes per game.
Now, in light of having been edumacated (sic) by yours truly
It must all be in your head-- then again, so many things are.
For those who refuse to read all this, it can be summarized thusly: BionicOWNED.
No ownage has occured. That was damage control to make Konex look proud. I don't need to look at your devil statistics to know that Jordan didn't actually win anything until Pippen was there. And it is hard for other players to score any points when a ballhog is hoisting up so many shots per game.
MJ had his chance to show how we would do without Pippen and Phil, as I remember things (and this is usually the most accurate record of the way things actually occured), the Wizards were a huge joke and even gave up like 80 points to a certain Jellybean Bryant in the first quarter. I guess Jordan just couldn't play championship caliber defense without Pippen to bail him out......
bionic77 said:
Ownage has certainly occurred.
Rings? Of course not-- no player can win rings by themselves. But he did lead the Bulls to the playoffs for four consecutive seasons, including to the second round once, singlehandedly (as shown, this was before Pippen or Grant developed into competent players). After all, the quote of mine that you were originally responding to was the one stating that he did just that.
Jordan's average # of shot attempts during the 4 seasons in question? 23 per game (while playing with nobody of any significance). Kobe's average # of shot attempts during the Lakers dynasty? 22 per game-- and that was while playing alongside the most dominant offensive force in the game. Jordan's FG% during those years: 52.5%; Kobe FG% during the Laker run: 46.1%. Who's the "ball hogger" again? :lol
Obscure mental disorder GET!
Wiz with a 40 year old Jordan and a worse supporting cast than Kobe has were playing far better (and had a far better record) than Kobe's Lakers this season. Sucks to not have the facts on your side, doesn't it?
And Jordan at age 40 obviously couldn't (and didn't) guard Kobe that game, Stackhouse did-- it's amusing that Kobe whores constantly have to point to the one amazing game Kobe had, the one game where he dropped 40+ in a half (and against a shitty defender, at that), whereas MJ dropped 40+ in one half 5 times in his career.But I guess they have to do that because they can't point to the # of 50+ point games (39 for MJ vs. 5 for Kobe), 40+ point games (240 vs. ~40 for Kobe), scoring titles (10 vs. 0), rings (6 vs. 3), rings as "the man" on the team (6 vs. 0), Finals MVP (6 vs.-- you guessed it-- 0), season MVP's (5 vs...OMG...0), defensive player of the year awards (1 vs....get outta town! 0), first-team selections (10 vs. 3), defensive first-team selections (9 vs. 3-- and three questionable selections, at that), career scoring average (30.2 vs. 22.6), steals titles (3 vs. OMG goose eggs...0), career FG% (51% vs. 45%), seasons over 2 steals/game (10 vs. 1), first-place finishes in efficiency rankings (7 vs.-- I see a trend!-- 0), finishes in the top 2 in the efficiency rankings (10 vs...da-dum...0), seasons with the most total points in the league (11 vs. 1), Olympic gold medals (2 vs. 0), playoff scoring average (33.5 ppg vs. 22.6 ppg) etc. etc. etc.
You get the picture.
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Loki said:Ownage has certainly occurred.
Rings? Of course not-- no player can win rings by themselves. But he did lead the Bulls to the playoffs for four consecutive seasons, including to the second round once, singlehandedly (as shown, this was before Pippen or Grant developed into competent players). After all, the quote of mine that you were originally responding to was the one stating that he did just that.
Jordan's average # of shot attempts during the 4 seasons in question? 23 per game (while playing with nobody of significance). Kobe's average # of shot attempts during the Lakers dynasty? 22 per game-- and that was while playing alongside the most dominant offensive force in the game. Jordan's FG% during those years: 52.5%; Kobe FG% during the Laker run: 46.1%. Who's the "ball hogger" again? :lol
Obscure mental disorder GET!
Wiz with a 40 year old Jordan and a worse supporting cast than Kobe has were playing far better (and had a far better record) than Kobe's Lakers this season. Sucks to not have the facts on your side, doesn't it?
But I guess they have to do that because they can't point to the # of 50+ point games (39 for MJ vs. 5 for Kobe), 40+ point games (240 vs. ~40 for Kobe), scoring titles (10 vs. 0), rings (6 vs. 3), rings as "the man" on the team (6 vs. 0), Finals MVP (6 vs.-- you guessed it-- 0), season MVP's (5 vs....OMG...0), defensive player of the year awards (1 vs....get outta town! 0), first-team selections (10 vs. 3), defensive first-team selections (9 vs. 3-- and three spurious ones, at that), career scoring average (30.2 vs. 22.6), steals titles (3 vs. OMG goose eggs...0), career FG% (51% vs. 45%), seasons over 2 steals/game (10 vs. 1), first-place finishes in efficiency rankings (7 vs.-- I see a trend!-- 0), seasons with the most total points in the league (11 vs. 1), Olympic gold medals (2 vs. 0), playoff scoring average (33.5 ppg vs. 22.6 ppg) etc. etc. etc.
You get the picture.
Loki: Putting bionic in his place since 2003.
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