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Everyone should check this nba.com feature out. All the best dunks from every NBA dunk contest.

Going through them all just now, one thing is very clear: Jason Richardson had the two best dunks in the contest's history....and no one else is even close. Also, the 2003 contest must be the most underrated one ever, as both Richardson and Desmond Mason did some incredible dunks.

My personal list of best dunk constest dunkers (note: this does not mean best in game dunkers by any stretch):

1) Richardson
2) Dominque Wilkens (got shafted out of one title (86) for sure, and arguably another (88))
3) Vince Carter (gets points off for only doing it in one contest)
4) Jordan
5) Desmond Mason
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100000) Fred Jones
 
:lol Fred Jones is the worst dunk champ of ALL TIME! Jason Richardson has one of the Top 3 dunks of all time and ends up losing to a punk. They need to change the format AND get real judges and not old school players who give everything thats completed an 8+.
 
*Tim falls over in his chair while hooting and pointing, slaps hands with some coworkers, and gives DM's post a 10*
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/3398836

Straight Shooting: Malone majorly overrated
Charley Rosen / Special to FOXSports.com

Going strictly by the numbers, Karl Malone appears to be the best power forward (and one of the best overall players) ever. But go ask your accountant just how misleading numbers can be.

Despite his robust career total of 36,928 points, and his points averaged per game (24.7), Malone routinely came up empty at crunch time (especially at the free throw line) in important ball games. Also, he was infamous around the league for making atrocious decisions whenever a game was on the line. This translated into bad shot selection — usually jumpers turning to his left — as well as trying to force pinpoint passes into heavy traffic.

Forget about the accolades currently being delivered by the NBA's coaches — even when Malone was in his prime, his inability to perform in prime time was universally acknowledged by them. For example, when Utah played Chicago in the championship series of 1997 and 1998, the Bulls disdained the idea of double-teaming Malone. The Bulls coaching staff believed there was no way that Malone could sufficiently dominate Dennis Rodman as to threaten Chicago's championship aspirations. Indeed, during the 12 games played (with the Bulls winning eight), Malone had only two break-out games that led the Jazz to victory (in Game 3 in 1997, wherein Malone scored 37, and Game 5 the following year, when he tallied 39). Coaches know that bona fide superstars are supposed to be heroes more often than one out of every six championship games.

In addition, Malone was consistently selfish even in the most unlikely circumstances: He was the only player on the original Dream Team (in the 1992 Olympics) who refused to buy into the team consciousness so earnestly promoted by the coaching staff. Several of his teammates privately complained that no matter what the score, Malone was only interested in filling up his own stat line.

On the other end of the court, several of the NBA's most veteran coaches laugh at Malone's being voted by their peers to three All-Defensive teams (1997-99). In his later years, Malone became adept at playing stolid straight-ahead defense in the pivot — but any kind of face-up, spin or duck-under moves would confound him. He was much too concerned with avoiding foul trouble (after all, how many points could he score from the bench?) to play adequate fundamental defense. His trick was to always go for the strip, a tactic that resulted in the ball being knocked out of bounds, or a steal, or (most often) Malone's opponent being given an easy shot. Except for his ability to push an opponent off the block, Malone's celebrated defensive prowess was more hype than reality.

While he justly received credit for being a good guy in the eye of the season-long media hurricane that assaulted the Lakers last year, Malone was deemed by his teammates in Utah to be a back-biting, inordinately self-protective presence in the locker room. And no one who ever played with Malone, and was aware of his numerous extra-curricular entertainments, was even slightly surprised by his alleged flirtatious manner with Vanessa Bryant.

Here are a pair of stories that reveal what kind of a guy Malone really is:

Malone was a member of a USA team that was playing Panama as part of the qualifying procedure for the 1992 Olympic Games. International protocol calls for the two competing teams to meet on-court prior to the game to exchange symbolic gifts. After the USA routed Panama by 60 points, Malone voiced his displeasure: "We gave them nice T-shirts and they only gave us tiny little pins." This, even though Malone's annual salary was three times Panama's GNP.

One day a few years back, Malone charged into the office of his agent, tore open his shirt to show his chest, and said, "Look at me. I've got a better physique than Michael Jordan. I'm more handsome than Michael Jordan. And I'm a better player than Michael Jordan. So why isn't my picture on a box of cereal?" Then he pounded his fist on his agent's desk and stormed off.

Okay, if Karl Malone wasn't the best at his position, then who was?

Here are some legitimate candidates: Dave DeBusschere (my personal favorite), Kevin McHale, Jerry Lucas, Bob Pettit, and Tim Duncan. In addition, the following centers also spent considerable time at power forward: Willis Reed, Wes Unseld, Nate Thurmond and Jack Sikma.

Karl Malone, with his bloated reputation, is 10th on my list.

I love you, Mr. Rosen.
 
"Look at me. I've got a better physique than Michael Jordan. I'm more handsome than Michael Jordan. And I'm a better player than Michael Jordan. So why isn't my picture on a box of cereal?"

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...RINGS BITCH
 
"Look at me. I've got a better physique than Michael Jordan. I'm more handsome than Michael Jordan. And I'm a better player than Michael Jordan. So why isn't my picture on a box of cereal?"
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"That's why."
 
I love Bill Simmons


("If you've watched any Nets games, you probably have noticed that I care again. Like maybe you saw me drop 43 on the Spurs -- the Spurs! -- in three quarters before I got thrown out. In retrospect, I overreacted to Bowen's undercut. Then again, it's been so long since I felt any emotion on a basketball court, I wasn't sure how else to respond")

Shinobi loves Eric Neel
 
god i love Gordon in the fourth. him and deng for co-ROY

ben's already got 10 in the 4th with over 6 minutes left. ridiculous
 
Ninja Scooter said:
emeka okafor thinks you're an idiot.

stats aren't everything. deng and especially gordon have made the bulls into a play-off team, while the bobcats obviously struggle being an expansion team. gordon > omeka


Fifty said:
Enjoy your win, Eminem.

*runs off crying*

:lol :lol
Gordon with 15 4th quarter points =D
 
BOBCATS BEAT NUGGZ, IMPROVE TO 11-39

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Eminem!

Okafor = RoY...

wait...he didn't play in this game.

...

Whatever, he's still RoY!!!
 
BTW guys, Kobex says Gordon = RoY

Which really means...

ESPN said:
Breaking News: Chicago rookie Ben Gordon out for season with two broken legs

*sigh* It was a good season while it lasted.
 
Cloudy said:
Kings with back 2 back losses to the Bulls and Nets after escaping against the Celts? O_o

You're surprised? You were supporting them two pages ago, that's the kiss of death dude.
 
Eminem said:
stats aren't everything. deng and especially gordon have made the bulls into a play-off team, while the bobcats obviously struggle being an expansion team. gordon > omeka


first of all, when we're talking about awards like RoY, stats ARE almost everything. Emeka is top 5 in the league i belive in double-doubles. He's been playing well from the beginning of the season, while Gordon was a bust his first month or so. Look at Gordon's stats from the first 3 months or so of the season, he was WILDLY inconsistent, scoring 20 or 25 points in a game or 2, then compeltely disappearing in the next game. Comparing records is pointless, as the Bobcats are an expansion team full of castoffs and NBDL players. And even though the Bulls are a playoff team, its not like they are setting the league on fire as they hover around .500. That just tells you how shitty the east is, if anything.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
first of all, when we're talking about awards like RoY, stats ARE almost everything. Emeka is top 5 in the league i belive in double-doubles. He's been playing well from the beginning of the season, while Gordon was a bust his first month or so. Look at Gordon's stats from the first 3 months or so of the season, he was WILDLY inconsistent, scoring 20 or 25 points in a game or 2, then compeltely disappearing in the next game. Comparing records is pointless, as the Bobcats are an expansion team full of castoffs and NBDL players. And even though the Bulls are a playoff team, its not like they are setting the league on fire as they hover around .500. That just tells you how shitty the east is, if anything.

awards like ROY? so what, MVP is all stats too? well fuck, Duncan is owned.
okafor is going to have better stats when he freakin' averages a quarter more per game.

and inconsistant? his average ppg for the entire season is less than a point lower than okafors. yeah, LESS THAN A SINGLE POINT PER GAME. AND in 13 minutes less playing time per game, on average. unlike okafor, the bulls actually have other options.
okafor rebounds, yeah. but i think the fact that gordon has single-handedly won numerous games for the bulls, and the fact that he is so clutch, and the fact that he's leading a team to play-offs, even in the east makes him ROY over emeka.


and btw, if you're gonna say the bulls aren't good because of their record, it's because of their 0-9 start. they're 12-10 against the west. yeah, you can count the number of teams in the east with a winning record against the west on one hand.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Look at Gordon's stats from the first 3 months or so of the season, he was WILDLY inconsistent

:lol :lol :lol :lol I am:

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  SPLIT         G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG PPG 
 In November 11 3 22.0 .356 .375 .818 .7 1.3 2.0 1.4 .73 .00 10.6 
 In December 15 0 24.1 .506 .538 .824 .7 1.7 2.5 1.7 .47 .07 14.3 
 In January    16 0 20.7 .426 .391 .880 .5 1.7 2.2 2.1 .63 .06 14.3


that's WILDLY inconsistant? fluctuation in FG%, but that is it. in okafor's first three months he went from 13ppg to 18ppg back down to 13ppg. you coulsd say he was WILDLY inconsistant himself, even moreso than ben.
if you like okafor, then fine, but don't be making up stuff, yo.
 
look at it game-by-game. A guy can score 30 one night, then 10 the next, and he has a 20 ppg average, but it doesn't tell the whole story. Look at it game by game from Nov through January. HARDLY what i'd call "consistent" by any means. Emeka, on the other hand, has been pretty damn solid from about late-November on. I won't deny that Gordon is a better scorer, but thats what he is called upon to do. They bring him off the bench for some instant offense (which is probably why he gets so few minutes, he seems to play better with a restricted amount (about 25 or so) of minutes a game, while Emeka has been a workhorse all year long. Whatever you want to believe, but Okafor has that award on lockdown, its his to lose. It'll take something drastic (like Emeka's back going out and Gordon turning into Michael Jordan for 3 months) for that to change IMO.
 
Eminem said:
stats aren't everything. deng and especially gordon have made the bulls into a play-off team, while the bobcats obviously struggle being an expansion team. gordon > omeka




:lol :lol
Gordon with 15 4th quarter points =D
Jabesus, Gordon is frickin' nuts in the 4th quarters. They really scored 121 points? :lol :lol Awesome.
 
You'll be proud to know, DM, that shortly before the Rockets turned their season around, I renamed my fantasy basketball team "How Tmac got his groove back" and now things are going well for both parties.
 
Fifty said:
You'll be proud to know, DM, that shortly before the Rockets turned their season around, I renamed my fantasy basketball team "How Tmac got his groove back" and now things are going well for both parties.

T-Mac died for our sins last season. :(
 
Bowser said:
You're surprised? You were supporting them two pages ago, that's the kiss of death dude.

And the only game they won, the Celtics game, was when Kobe came back and Konex completely forgot Sacramento and the rest of the world existed.

I SWEAR DUDE, BACK OFF!
 
Thanks, Eminem. Downloading now...

Anyway, I love how the Spurs sucked the life out of the Hornets in a matter of a couple of minutes after NO got as close as 9. They looked so disheartened I couldn't help but laugh. They do have two players with a bright future ahead of them, among the crippled roster, in J.R. Smith and Dan Dickau. It was also really funny watching Barry looking so helpless throughout the game, as he was called for 5 phantom calls. No one, but the refs saw them. Brent looked like he wanted to flee from the arena.

Next game, revenge at the SBC Center, against the Rockets. Winning streak OVER!!!

And as Pop said during tonight's halftime, he is going to play Yao and T-Mac 47 minutes in the AS game. :lol
 
BatiGOOOOOOL said:
And as Pop said during tonight's halftime, he is going to play Yao and T-Mac 47 minutes in the AS game. :lol

:lol :lol


I REALLY hope Hinrich's injury tonight is nothing serious. He should sit out the Sophomore/Rook game. And actually, I'd wish Deng and Gordon would too. They need rest, not more games =(

Also, I didn't think we were doing THIS good: Since the early season West Coast road trip which started Chicago at 0-9, the baby Bulls are 11-3 against the Western Conference.
 
Livingston To Miss A Month With Torn Cartilage In Shoulder
Clippers rookie Shaun Livingston will likely be sidelined at least into the middle of March after an MRI exam on Wednesday showed torn cartilage in his right shoulder, an injury he suffered while making a steal Tuesday night against the Orlando Magic.

He just recently returned after dislocating his kneecap, where he missed 39 games.

"I was feeling good," he said. "Coach obviously felt great about the situation. It's disappointing."

Wow, the Clippers are just cursed. Livvy, Jaric, Kittles, Magette, Wilcox and others have all missed a CRAPLOAD of games. And they keep losing all these close games :(
 
Thanks for both videos. The MJ video gave me goosebumps and I'm watching the Slam Dunk Contest right now.

I had no idea Cadillac Anderson participated in that one. :lol

BTW, did anyone watched Igoudala's dunk all over Rasheed last night? :lol

Edit: NOOOOOO! The dunk contest freezes when they're presenting Spudd Webb
 
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