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The real reason Miiverse was killed. (Arlo)

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Well, now this is quite interesting. It all makes sense now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7-az4eB0iM

Pretty amazing analysis if you ask me, and it proves that Nintendo has really learned the realities of the market compared to the mistakes they made with the WiiU.

TL;DR:
Miiverse kept hardcore discussion about Nintendo games and the WiiU isolated to people who already bought one. By killing Miiverse and shifting screenshot uploads to Twitter and Facebook, they give Switch games social-media exposure that Miiverse would never give them.
 
I really like getting decent gaming content delivered to me by a muppet. It's charming. He also makes a lot of sense but it's still a shame since Miiverse made Splatoon SO much better.
 
Miiverse made the photo hunt quest in Wind Waker SO much more bearable. As a means to share stupid shit etc., sure, Miiverse is outclassed by Twitter, Facebook, etc. But in terms of actually allowing the community to communicate with specific in-game help, Miiverse was rad.
 
How did screenshot uploads on 3DS besides miiverse work? I remember some games had an image sharing function to post to twitter, tumblr, etc.
 
They probably could have made it more readily accessible off Nintendo platforms and also made it easy to share on Twitter/Facebook, but I have to imagine it has the fringe benefit of not needing to regulate anything. Let that be someone else's worry.
 
I just finished watching this a few minutes ago, & he brings up a surprisingly-compelling argument in regards to Nintendo's YouTube policies & how they relate to Nintendo's evolving treatment of online & now social media. Hopefully Nintendo changing their treatment of those two over time serves as a good sign for Nintendo altering their YouTube policies going forward.
 
I think this is giving Nintendo more credit than is due. I mean, don't they still shut down any video on YT with their game footage included?
 
Killing Miiverse is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Just push linking to Twitter/Facebook/whatever on the UI prominently for those that want to.
Boom, visibility plus community in one neat package.

I understand Nintendos decision to make a clean cut with anything WiiU, but they've destroyed the only good thing they developed for the WiiU (system not games)
 
arturo2666 said:
I think this is giving Nintendo more credit than is due. I mean, don't they still shut down any video on YT with their game footage included?
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Shut down, no. But they do copyright claim the video to where you can't get any ad revenue from said video.
 
fabricated backlash said:
Killing Miiverse is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Just push linking to Twitter/Facebook/whatever on the UI prominently for those that want to.
Boom, visibility plus community in one neat package.

I understand Nintendos decision to make a clean cut with anything WiiU, but they've destroyed the only good thing they developed for the WiiU (system not games)
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They didn't want to continue paying money for its' upkeep.
 
arturo2666 said:
I think this is giving Nintendo more credit than is due. I mean, don't they still shut down any video on YT with their game footage included?
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They have never done that, at all, they put their ads on videos when they copyright claim them and if its from people who get paid by youtube partners, they take the money, the program however allows them to get money still from their games but nintendo take the lion's share
 
It makes sense for Nintendo to leverage existing social media platforms for media sharing, but selfishly, I preferred the Miiverse because I don't use social media and it was nice to have a Nintendo-managed community space for each of my games.
 
I fucking love Arlo, he's recently become one of my favourite Tubers.

What he's saying here makes perfect sense but I'll still miss Miiverse.
 
I wonder if the cost was part of the reason Nintendo isn't running Mii-verse anymore. It can't be cheap having to hire a bunch of moderators to filter out adult content.
 
When I post something from my 3DS on Facebook nobody gives a damn about it. When I post something from my 3DS on Miiverse, the 40 something old me can socialize with some kids :-p
 
I thought we all came to the same conclusion pretty much the day they announced it but whatever.

It makes sense but it was still great to help random people stuck in a game they're about to drop.
 
Twitter needs a "Spoilers" function like Miiverse had before I'll ever accept it as a better replacement.

Also, once you have posted a screenshot from the Switch, there's zero feedback on the Switch itself. At that point I have to head over to a PC to interact with it further. That's a bit crap.
 
I would pay for a monthly subscription service if Nintendo bought back Miiverse.

It was a nice walled garden, and a safe space people could talk about Nintendo games without getting tied into everything that is modern social media.
 
KingBroly said:
They didn't want to continue paying money for its' upkeep.
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... and as a consumer I should be happy because? Especially as NX's online will be paid for and not free...MiiVerse was a great concept (and so were the stickers and the user drawing functionality) very well integrated with the games (its implementation was slow, but it was a slower hardware too).

You cannot have something so integrated with the games and the UI, something as pervasive as MiiVerse was trying to be without any moderation (given usual Nintendo protective stance). You bet that Twitter or Facebook will not be integrated this deeply... this is yet another "push people to do something on a network we do not have to pay for and/or moderate and especially on another device" scenario in my opinion.

MiiVerse was a great Nintendo-feeling social experience to tie Nintendo fans and curious together (Apple preys on the same just much larger rabid fanbase to sustain their large presence)... Arlo makes good points, but sometime is just the god voice that rationalises anything Nintendo does.
 
daxgame said:
And nintendo probably had to pay several people to moderate it... in the end it's reallocating resources.
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More like 1 or 2. I only ever saw that many people checking Miiverse at a given time when I worked there.
Bluth54 said:
I wonder if the cost was part of the reason Nintendo isn't running Mii-verse anymore. It can't be cheap having to hire a bunch of moderators to filter out adult content.
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Their entire CS department as a whole loses them money, so I doubt it's money-related. I can't think of a more suitable reason, though.
 
It's weird how much more enjoyable these sorts of analysis videos become when it's not a human face just staring into my eyes and talking for 10 minutes.

I noticed I lost a bit of enthusiasm for Folding Ideas when he stopped using the cardboard proxy puppet.
 
I think he says it all. Its a tragedy because miiverse is my favorite social network but yeah they just cant beat twitter and facebook unfortunately
jdstorm said:
I would pay for a monthly subscription service if Nintendo bought back Miiverse.

It was a nice walled garden, and a safe space people could talk about Nintendo games without getting tied into everything that is modern social media.
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What i liked about it was that it kinda was facebook, twitter and neogaf in one.
fabricated backlash said:
Killing Miiverse is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

Just push linking to Twitter/Facebook/whatever on the UI prominently for those that want to.
Boom, visibility plus community in one neat package.

I understand Nintendos decision to make a clean cut with anything WiiU, but they've destroyed the only good thing they developed for the WiiU (system not games)
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I also thought this but maybe they didnt reach a deal with facebook, twitter etc.
 
Interesting analysis. I agree with the idea that miiverse isolated Nintendo's social media reach instead of expanding it. That's the effect of making your own social media network instead of linking to the existing, far more popular ones.
 
I would have been okay with them making a Miiverse app on phones to let everyone in on it. Honestly it was the best thing to come out of Miiverse.
 
watershed said:
Interesting analysis. I agree with the idea that miiverse isolated Nintendo's social media reach instead of expanding it. That's the effect of making your own social media network instead of linking to the existing, far more popular ones.
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Nintendo consoles rely on a mega hardcore ever loyal fanbase, keep MiiVerse and add the ability to push pictures and videos to Twitter and Facebook... let's not kid ourselves, they are not doing much more than that integration wise: posting screen caps and videos. They could have done that AND run MiiVerse.

I do understand that when there is a sort of regime change in companies everything done by the older guard for the older failed console is thrown away... politics happen everywhere.
 
The real reason Miiverse was killed.


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Robin64 said:
Twitter needs a "Spoilers" function like Miiverse had before I'll ever accept it as a better replacement.

Also, once you have posted a screenshot from the Switch, there's zero feedback on the Switch itself. At that point I have to head over to a PC to interact with it further. That's a bit crap.
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I would say... it is the bare minimum of social integration, cross posting to Twitter from MiiVerse would have been doable and more effective...
 
I mean, how much "hardcore" discussion can someone who doesn't own Nintendo games or consoles take part in to begin with? The kind of discussion that Miiverse brings does jack shit to attract the casual consumer. Plus, there's no reason you couldn't have both social media for more casual stuff like showing off screenshots and blurbs that fit into 140 characters while retaining Miiverse for a more involved, curated community. No matter how much spin you put on it, they're abandoning one of the best, most unique ideas the Wii U offered.
 
RagnarokX said:
Couldn't they have like required a twitter account be tied to miiverse and forced crossposting?
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At that point what would even be the point of Miiverse anymore? No content would be exclusive to it. It would basically be a limited Twitter app for the Switch.

They could release something that allows users to draw and then upload their drawings to Twitter instead.
 
Piston Hyundai said:
I mean, how much "hardcore" discussion can someone who doesn't own Nintendo games or consoles take part in to begin with? The kind of discussion that Miiverse brings does jack shit to attract the casual consumer. Plus, there's no reason you couldn't have both social media for more casual stuff like showing off screenshots and blurbs that fit into 140 characters while retaining Miiverse for a more involved, curated community. No matter how much spin you put on it, they're abandoning one of the best, most unique ideas the Wii U offered.
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Agreed and agreed!
 
Eight and a half minutes to say Nintendo finally realised that traditional social media is a strong marketing tool.
 
GamerJM said:
At that point what would even be the point of Miiverse anymore? No content would be exclusive to it. It would basically be a limited Twitter app for the Switch.

They could release something that allows users to draw and then upload their drawings to Twitter instead.
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... and how do you answer back? Oh I forget, you are not supposed to, the new mantra is "thou shall not do anything but playing games on a Nintendo console" not just a fact but a divine command... ;).
Seriously, unless you own stocks or something (... and even then...) this is not really a decision that we should cheer and justify IMHO.
 
GamerJM said:
At that point what would even be the point of Miiverse anymore? No content would be exclusive to it. It would basically be a limited Twitter app for the Switch.

They could release something that allows users to draw and then upload their drawings to Twitter instead.
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When you make a miiverse post it would also make a twitter post as an advertisment, maybe even with a link to the miiverse site. The replies and yeah system would be preserved on miiverse for integration into games.
 
Miiverse in Splatoon was incredible.

Also all the Smash screenshots and art was great.

Even Breath of the Wild's one is very interesting.

I still wish they kept it for Nintendo games. I don't use social media so having something games focused was great.
 
They could just offer to display every post with the game's hashtag or made with the Switch twitter client in-game.

There's no need for Miiverse in 2017.
 
oti said:
They could just offer to display every post with the game's hashtag or made with the Switch twitter client in-game.

There's no need for Miiverse in 2017.
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Nintendo displaying unfiltered/unmoderated Twitter posts in game ;)?

The point you are making is essentially why use a Nintendo <feature> that ties the Nintendo community together when you could use a multiplatform solution to do the same... in <year>. Will this be the same argument if Nintendo were to go third party? C'mon it is 20xx why should you have to buy a Nintendo <thing> to play. I would not be cheering then, I am not cheering now.
 
oti said:
They could just offer to display every post with the game's hashtag or made with the Switch twitter client in-game.
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Trading in your heavily-moderated proprietary service for the websites on which I saw Robert Goodwin get murdered two weeks ago is a terrible idea.

There's no need for Miiverse in 2017.
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There wasn't a need for Miiverse in 2012, either, but it was still a great thing.

Something a lot of people might not realize is that Miiverse was kind of amazing as a "Social Media Junior." I'd much sooner let a child on Miiverse to talk about video games than fucking Twitter.
 
I mean couldn't you just allow posts to miiverse but also have auto share options along with manual sharing to other social networks...?
 
I can understand that reasoning, but it's still a shame.

Miiverse and its integration into certain games was one of the best additions to gaming in years. Really felt like you were a part of a wider Nintendo community, even when playing a single-player game like NSMBU.

I'll never forget logging onto Splatoon after the Paris terror attacks, or in the days after Iwata died. It really felt like people around the world coming together in grief through video games, and it being an integral part of the game was essential to that not feeling forced or trite. Replacing that with Twitter hashtags just wouldn't have had the same effect.
 
Panajev2001a said:
Nintendo displaying unfiltered/unmoderated Twitter posts in game ;)?

The point you are making is essentially why use a Nintendo <feature> that ties the Nintendo community together when you could use a multiplatform solution to do the same... in <year>. Will this be the same argument if Nintendo were to go third party? C'mon it is 20xx why should you have to buy a Nintendo <thing> to play. I would not be cheering then, I am not cheering now.
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What a nonsense comparison. Miiverse is a social media network only for Nintendo, whilst Nintendo can just use open social media for their purposes. Like every other company on the planet. If you want to see Nintendo fanart, just go on Twitter and search for it.

I get that some people liked this close community that was only about video games *cough* YouTube Miiverse *cough* but allocating resources for a closed social media platform in 2017 doesn't make much sesne. Granted, Nintendo wants a kid-friendly social media system first and foremost, so maybe Twitter could offer something like that to companies in the future.
 
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