SenjutsuSage
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Mine's already pretty damn fast, so I don't really need to mess around with this stuff.
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The secret to making your Xbox One snappier and quicker!
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I have 75/75 on FIOS and it helped considerably. Just try out namebench and see the results. Mines were considerable.
In fact, everyone try namebench. You don't have to implement the DNS change network wide, but try it out on the One first.
VERY SIMPLE
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PS4 and WiiU aren't dependant on an internet connection in order to make their UIs work quickly.
I think that is absolutely horrible on Microsoft's part. The UI should load independently of the live data that it displays.
artsi
Member
Depends how well the server your ISP provides works.
35% faster than 10ms? 0.0035 seconds faster.
35% from 100ms? Very slow resolve speed, yet only 0.035 seconds faster.
DNS is made to be very fast and unnoticeable so probably no difference.
Right, but in situations where you are constantly making new queries such as the Xbox One OS it could have a limited impact.
I run namebench about once a week to make sure I'm still at the fastest one and have been really happy with the results on web browsing being a bit punchier.
The UI isn't impacted from a usage standpoint. It is the data pull to load certain apps upon opening that is impacted.
But that would be a positive thing that's related to the Xbox. That can't happen.
I did say that in a previous post, and I'm not dissuading anyone from trying this tool out. I merely stated a fact based on theory and got caught up trying to prove that instead.
I think traditional web browsing is where the biggest benefit will be.
Also - I change the router settings not the end device. Easier to manage!
Same.
Updating the router is the obvious way to go as any connected device will see the benefit. It's also much cleaner to keep up with as a DNS server could go down and need to be flipped.
If you've run around updating individual devices it could be a nightmare to clean up.
Very likely the case.
I use namebench weekly when I wake up on Saturday just to make sure someone out there hasn't improved or the one I'm on hasn't degraded because these things can change.
Honestly, I think the benefit is overstated a bit by google, but if I can load a new query 20% quicker (even if that is a matter of seconds) I'll take it because I'm a nerd.
Yes, but I recommend everyone testing it first on their Xbox One. Not only does it keep it relevant to the gaming forum, but also can save some time down the line if the change wasn't drastic.
Damn, I didn't think of that.
If I change my router now, I'll need to go back to "auto" DNS on my devices correct?
Lecker_Duplo
Neo Member
Doesn't the Xbox one has a dns lookup table?
Yes. Name service look ups are a server load dependant thing. Say your ISP is smaller, has a older or overloaded server. Name resolution will take a few seconds more as an older/slower/misconfigured ns server queries root servers or has to look at its cache.
I always use Google dns, and my ISP as a secondary or tertiary.
YMMV. Do that dns test. Also keep in mind that your ISP may filter port 53(dns lookups) and force them through their ns anyway. Again, Comcast has done this. Namebench will alert you to this.
This will help all devices. Also if your Xbox is on your home/school Nat, which most are, your probably routing all ns queries through that router as a gateway, using a direct NS speeds things up.
these are killing me lol
thanks op, will give this a shot. i think my least favorite thing by far is how slow to load the xb1 os is (aside from the other network issues that i never had with 360)
DoubleTake
Member
So apparently this will help with browsing speed on ps4 as well? What about loading friends list and messages or the PlayStation store?
It will help name/ip resolution of various systems/services. If it remains slow after, it's the servers/services that are slow.
If the underlying queries involve a DNS lookup then potentially yes
Streaming wouldn't be improved by DNS
DoubleTake
Member
It definitely did, on all my devices.
I almost never got an HD stream before the switch (despite a 50/25 connection) and magically after switching, it was perfect.
And the only reason I switched was because I saw multiple places state the same.
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Maybe with this update, the ninjas at Konami can get PES running at the 900p sweet spot for games.
Yes, wait for the results and they will show you what's up. No need for any intensive network knowledge.
Wut?
Lecker_Duplo
Neo Member
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Kssio_Aug
Member
Thanks! It recommended me one that is 26.4% faster! =o
Should I configure this only on XB1 or would be a good idea to configure it on router for all devices?
artsi
Member
Yeah, traffic doesn't go through the DNS server, it just resolves names.
For example, you want to visit website.com
1) Your computer asks DNS where website.com is
2) DNS says 123.456.78.9 (which should be VERY fast, as it's his only job)
3) Your computer proceeds to talk with 123.456.78.9 about business, dumps DNS until he's needed again
In addition to this your computer puts the "website.com -> 123.456.78.9" information to it's own cache so it doesn't need to ask DNS again for a while, in case it needs information again soon.
I don't know if PS4 / X1 have any local caching though, every other modern OS has so I hope so.
You have to trust the DNS server. If it's malicious it might tell you google.com is located at [hacker's server infected with nasty stuff].
Try the Xbox first and see how you like it.
DoubleTake
Member
Jesus its found one thats 120% faster than what im using now! Bout to say good bye to the dark ages of internet friends. Now someone help me set this up for my laptop haha
that would be a surprise to me - bad latency is the main cause of poor streams, not the server lookup. A stream may carry out ongoing occasional DNS lookups but it will not be the main cause of a bad stream.
A remote DNS server will likely use a CDN IP close to it (and far from you) which could cause bad latency. I would be surprised if your ISP DNS was highly remote from you.
The namebench is optimised based on fastest AND nearest which is what the OP is recommending
Kssio_Aug
Member
Did it! Indeed looks considerably faster! Will run more tests!
Yes. You have to download the Namebench tool.
Jessie.Bristol
Member
Just tested my DNS settings with namebench, says that my current primary DNS is fastest. So no need for me to switch my settings... hurray I guess.
Leyasu
Banned
Thanks. I'll try it
The Albatross
Member
This is actually excellent design.
Nearly every data-heavy web app uses this method. Facebook, for instance, loads it's UI separately from the data that is feeding it's UI across the whole site (and individually per element)... This is why you may notice that the frame of Facebook loads, and then your newsfeed comes in, followed up by your chat window. Facebook does this because many elements throughout Facebook use a different programming language and are functioning independent from one another. It's a much better user experience than waiting for everything to load and then displaying everything, fully loaded, at once.
Google, Twitter, most apps on your iPhone/Android/W8, your internet browser. Almost every modern UI allows elements to load independently, with data intensive applications loading their 'chrome' first, and then having the data fed in.
That's actually exactly what it's doing.
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I'm one person where Google DNS is not a speed improvement for resolving a DNS. One key improvement with Google DNS over, for instance, Charter's DNS is that Charter will often resolve a custom error page in certain browsers when the DNS does not resolve. This is very annoying if you are a developer and you're trying to smoketest something across multiple browsers.
DoubleTake
Member
Hmm well after trying this out on my ps4 and testing my internet connection it shows my speed as 15 down and 1 up. Whereas before the dens change the check would show up as 50 down and 5 up. These aren't indicative of my actual isp speeds though which is 50up50down. Also cant really tell a huge difference in loading.
That's how every device I own works, including my PS4 and PS3. The UI is already there and loaded. We're talking about fetching friends list status, and stuff like that.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I don't mess with my router overall a ton. Are there any good tips somewhere for the best way for a router to be set up? I have one of the ~$100 Netgear routers.
For this specific topic, I just log into the router page, go to the DNS area and add a manual DNS?
For this specific topic, I just log into the router page, go to the DNS area and add a manual DNS?
The Albatross
Member
Using a different DNS than your ISP's default should not effect your down/up in any meaningful, predictable way. It's all about resolving the initial IP address when establishing a connection.
Here's a better explanation:
https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/performance
Switching your DNS will not always improve your experience. The reason it can improve your experience is if your ISP routes it's DHCP traffic to a centralized location that may be further away or more congested than what something like Google Public DNS, UltraDNS, etc., could be.
ALso, here is another article from 2006 explaining how it can improve performance but not necessarily:
http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/09/speed-up-your-internet-connection-with.html
in any event, your up/down should not be effected.
Also, the DNS server can obviously see all the queries you send. So a malicious DNS server could track all the websites you visit.
Spectral Entity
Member
Ran this last night after seeing it on r/xboxone and surprisingly my Charter DNS is the fastest.
Unsure if it's because my router is awesome, but I'm pleasantly pleased.
It's also interesting to learn that changing DNS settings is what resolves many people's issues with the OS being sluggish. I never experienced that, and now understand why.
Unsure if it's because my router is awesome, but I'm pleasantly pleased.
It's also interesting to learn that changing DNS settings is what resolves many people's issues with the OS being sluggish. I never experienced that, and now understand why.