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[Thornton Reed]

We’ve just lost some really good people. Sad times. Been here for 6 years. The site is part of my daily routine.

 

[The Pope]

I can just say for me it was done completely out of passion. Video Games were huge stepping stones in my life that pushed me into art, and design. I'm sure like many people on the forum you can trace some of your fondest memories to a dark night and a CQC specialist using his vast array of lethal talents to destroy ketchup bottle after ketchup bottle. No hanging pan, glass of water or hidden frog was safe. I worked on the MGS4 OT for almost a month and I'm sure that seems pathetic and extreme to you and you might be right but it was motivated out of just a shared love for a franchise amongst a group of people I had become quite close to. I was developing the OT in a part of the website that all the mods could see and I remember them coming by and everyone just getting more and more excited. It was truly a labor of love. I went back through and looked at all of it so that I could remember how much this place meant to me. It was nice going through memory lane again to a simpler time when we still raged about exclusives and console dominance and all still loved to hate on Nintendo but... We all understood each other and knew that we all loved this lifestyle. I will miss a lot of you very much. There are names even on the last page that always brought a smile to my face or made me think.

So again I just wanted to say thanks

You were an amazing contribution to this forum grandmaster.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Maybe he ban evaded like you.

Uh, what?

You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[IAmAnAgnostic]

I can just say for me it was done completely out of passion. Video Games were huge stepping stones in my life that pushed me into art, and design. I'm sure like many people on the forum you can trace some of your fondest memories to a dark night and a CQC specialist using his vast array of lethal talents to destroy ketchup bottle after ketchup bottle. No hanging pan, glass of water or hidden frog was safe. I worked on the MGS4 OT for almost a month and I'm sure that seems pathetic and extreme to you and you might be right but it was motivated out of just a shared love for a franchise amongst a group of people I had become quite close to. I was developing the OT in a part of the website that all the mods could see and I remember them coming by and everyone just getting more and more excited. It was truly a labor of love. I went back through and looked at all of it so that I could remember how much this place meant to me. It was nice going through memory lane again to a simpler time when we still raged about exclusives and console dominance and all still loved to hate on Nintendo but... We all understood each other and knew that we all loved this lifestyle. I will miss a lot of you very much. There are names even on the last page that always brought a smile to my face or made me think.

So again I just wanted to say thanks

Damn..
Where will you be going?

 

[br0ken_shad0w]

So I haven't looked into any of Evilore's past controversies, and haven't read much about this latest one.

With that said, here is the question that comes to my mind: how is this (or any of the past controversies) any of our business?

Sure, he is the owner (founder?) of the Neogaf message board, but why does his personal life matter at all to the functionality of the Neogaf board?

Someone mentioned him being like the CEO of a company and how the members of that company wouldn't be able to tolerate some terrible issues that he CEO had --- he'd need to be replaced.

Neogaf isn't a company. It's just a gathering place for a vast community. Evilore isn't the leader of the community. The community members are all self-autonomous members who come to the center and participate as they please. Evilore just owns the community center. Sure, he has the right to set the rules and nuke the threads that he finds controversial, even if those threads are related to him personally and potential serious allegations.

What does that matter? Why burn down the community center and/or leave the community just because the owner of that community center is up on charges? It's not the owner that constitutes the quality of the community center or the community. It is the overall discourse and interactions between the community members after they gather within the community center.

Sure, community members have a right to voice their opinions on the community center owner's allegations, and the owner has the right to shut down those conversations and kick out those whose opinions he doesn't like. It's then the right of the rest of the community members to voice their concern and disapproval of such actions.

Personally, I can't believe that the OT and OT Community has been nuked due to this issue and I can't even believe that so many community members are choosing to take Evilore's allegations so personally to the point of leaving/suicide-banning etc. Is that really worth it?

Frankly, I don't think it's any of our business, regardless of how serious the allegations are. If he doesn't want it discussed, then so be it. It's a personal issue and only personal issues that community members want to discuss should be privy to discussion. If they request that it not be discussed, then we all should respect that request.

Please restore Neogaf to its original form with OT / OT Community in full form, free to discuss politics etc.

Please stop discussing this highly personal issue that Evilore has made clear he does not want discussed.

Let's salvage what we can of the community center that was built over so many years and bring back as much of the community as possible that made it so special.

My concern is the way Evilore handled this entire situation. Mind you, me and probably a majority of the members here weren't aware of what his history is (even though I've been here for over a decade), but the main jist I got from Evilore's post is him shifting blame and making excuses. NeoGAF *could* have survived this but once I saw how Evilore is going to do things forward, that was the last straw for me. The Albatross's post summed it up better than I could.

I'm going to spend the next few days here trying to find where all my communities went and actually learn how to use Discord. So long, and thanks for all the GIFs.

 

[Karkador]

OT to discuss books, movies, music, tv, sports but no politics is the way to go.

hahah, have fun talking about anything besides children's books and little league baseball or some shit.

 

[sinkfla87]

I tried to put my big boy pants on but they're a little loose, maybe these are Tyler's?

I want a Lore vs. Steven Seagal MMA match for charity.

 

[Mengy]

How about a sentence that starts with "I know that it's the same person because ..."? Or in other words, I want to know why you think it's the same person and not someone else using the same nickname. For all I know he might have said so here, but I guess that did not happen, so please enlighten me why you are sure that it's him.

If all you are after is confirmation then yes, all of the posts in that summarization pic are accurate and were posted by Tyler. I've been here through all of that and I remember every one of those moments, even the shenanigans that went on over at Opa's site. There isn't anything incorrect nor altered in the summarization, unfortunately. When put all together like that into one grouping it looks very bad.

 

[highrider]

Sorry to see Bruce go. I’ve never really liked Evilore much, he seemed arrogant and a try hard in most of his posts, but that’s a very small interaction on a forum. I’m not in the business of defining the worth of people through something like that. I’m not a forum personality, nobody gives a fuck if I go or keep posting.

I know he’s a human being facing an accusation which he denies. There’s a process from accusation to conviction even in a court of opinion, and everyone is different in how they define that. I’m not prepared to condemn anyone based solely on that. I’m saddened that great contributors to the forum are leaving and I understand. These kind of self important ban me posts are ridiculous to me tbh, just leave, it ain’t that big a deal what discussion board you like.

 

[The Pope]

The way this is all being handled is inexcusably bad, it's just a master class in bad executive decisions. There isn't much community left here, but removing the Off Topic forum because the owner of the website allegedly did something disgusting several years ago -- and was identifies -- is punishing the community for disgusting decisions that the owner of the website made.

Evilore, the Off Topic forum did not make you make the wrong decision or do the wrong thing 2 years ago or 5 years ago. The Off Topic forum did not make Amir0x download child pornography. Yes, the Off Topic forum exposes risk for your business (these three issues are examples of that risk), but the reason your business is a business is largely because the site has both a gaming discussion area (which I think is the initial draw for most members) and then an off topic area (which most members also chat in). I think most people here became members to chat about videogames, but then naturally, you chat about other things you're interested in -- sports, movies, music, or the really specific topics like the Black Culture threads, developer/programming threads, or the communities like WrassleGaf or NFLGaf. Punishing those communities because you or your former staff are exposing your business to risk with poor choices is not the right way to handle this.

There have been a number of high profile sexual assaults in the news lately, and while most folks are talking about Harvey Weinstein, Liberty Mutual -- the investment firm -- has also recently fired two employees for sexual misconduct at the workplace. It wouldn't be right for Liberty Mutual to say, "We're not having the company Christmas Party, because Christmas parties is what got us into this mess in the first place," or "We're not going to participate in social out reach because social out reach has made us look like hypocrites with these sexual assaults." No, because it's not The Christmas Party or the Social outreach program that's causing the problem: It's bad, hurtful, or illegal decisions made by you or by some former staff members.

You've always had a reputation for making brash decisions, and most of these have not faired well for you. Poorly thought out statements about Amir0x that bent the truth, came too late, and just weren't handled correctly; decisions to ban certain topics from being discussed; decisions to ban certain members or former staff, and scores of others. This, though, is clearly the worst decision and it shows in inability to accept fault. This decisions seems to simply be another projection: "I've made bad decisions in my life and business, and so the business must be punished." That doesn't make any sense, it's selfish and delusional.

You have an opportunity to make the right decision. Obviously you feel like this site is your baby and "it's your's," but this business exists in spite of you, not because of you. It can be hard for a CEO or business owner to give up something that they think is theirs, many CEOs resist this and are befuddled when their board ousts them for a business that they themselves launched. The right thing for you to do would have been to announce that you're taking an indefinite leave of absence from NeoGaf. Revenue from the site would be put into an escrow account to cover expenses and hire staff who would manage it in your absence. A board of staff (moderators, admins) would be formed to hire staff who would manage the site and support the community. Those would be base level decisions which would ensure, at least, some integrity with the site which would keep at least some members around. The site would persist and could possibly bounce back, ultimately you wouldn't be punishing your customers or your business for your own bad decision. Instead, you made the wrong decision with how this was handled and then continually made the wrong decision with how you're going to move forward with this, instead of holding yourself accountable, you're punishing the community that has made your business successful.

It shows an utter lack of self-awareness which then also undermines any integrity that you're trying to preserve against allegations like the ones you're facing.

He's right you know.gif

 

[Thabass]

Melodrama for yo'mama. Can I still say yo mama? Or am I being insensitive to mother's? Or am I appropriating a certain cultures language?

People need to put their big boy (and girl, and cis etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc ) pants on.

I mean, I'm not SJW or anything, but you sound like an asshole. Grow up.

 

[Ellimem]

Guess I need to post this again since there are some people who seem to have already forgotten after 2 page. Wow, how the mind slips!

"Allegedly"

Opening admitting to sexually assaulting someone(then banning anyone who called him out for it)

Posting revenge porn with their real full names then another admin(a now jailed pedophile) printed the photos and jacked off over them and sent it to the boyfriend.

You're right, how can we even know if he's guilty or not? HMMMM

Also:

I never really bothered posting here, anyway. Fuck Tyler, fuck anyone standing behind that piece of shit. Hopefully this site dies as quickly as possible. Anyone sticking around is just proving that they are willing to close their eyes to anything. You are part of the problem.

 

[KooopaKid]

Damn BruceLeeRoy, Fine Ham Abounds and Orbital Beard all peacing out?

It was a pleasure folks.

Yep good posters. If More_badass leaves as well...

I don't know Evilore but he seems a bit like the Steve Jobs type to me, not very humble or open to critics.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

I can just say for me it was done completely out of passion. Video Games were huge stepping stones in my life that pushed me into art, and design. I'm sure like many people on the forum you can trace some of your fondest memories to a dark night and a CQC specialist using his vast array of lethal talents to destroy ketchup bottle after ketchup bottle. No hanging pan, glass of water or hidden frog was safe. I worked on the MGS4 OT for almost a month and I'm sure that seems pathetic and extreme to you and you might be right but it was motivated out of just a shared love for a franchise amongst a group of people I had become quite close to. I was developing the OT in a part of the website that all the mods could see and I remember them coming by and everyone just getting more and more excited. It was truly a labor of love. I went back through and looked at all of it so that I could remember how much this place meant to me. It was nice going through memory lane again to a simpler time when we still raged about exclusives and console dominance and all still loved to hate on Nintendo but... We all understood each other and knew that we all loved this lifestyle. I will miss a lot of you very much. There are names even on the last page that always brought a smile to my face or made me think.

So again I just wanted to say thanks

Your objective was to get attention and to help promote a commercial product. It’s gross. Make fan art for deviant art if you must.

 

[Sephzilla]

The way this is all being handled is inexcusably bad, it's just a master class in bad executive decisions. There isn't much community left here, but removing the Off Topic forum because the owner of the website allegedly did something disgusting several years ago -- and was identifies -- is punishing the community for disgusting decisions that the owner of the website made.

Evilore, the Off Topic forum did not make you make the wrong decision or do the wrong thing 2 years ago or 5 years ago. The Off Topic forum did not make Amir0x download child pornography. Yes, the Off Topic forum exposes risk for your business (these three issues are examples of that risk), but the reason your business is a business is largely because the site has both a gaming discussion area (which I think is the initial draw for most members) and then an off topic area (which most members also chat in). I think most people here became members to chat about videogames, but then naturally, you chat about other things you're interested in -- sports, movies, music, or the really specific topics like the Black Culture threads, developer/programming threads, or the communities like WrassleGaf or NFLGaf. Punishing those communities because you or your former staff are exposing your business to risk with poor choices is not the right way to handle this.

There have been a number of high profile sexual assaults in the news lately, and while most folks are talking about Harvey Weinstein, Liberty Mutual -- the investment firm -- has also recently fired two employees for sexual misconduct at the workplace. It wouldn't be right for Liberty Mutual to say, "We're not having the company Christmas Party, because Christmas parties is what got us into this mess in the first place," or "We're not going to participate in social out reach because social out reach has made us look like hypocrites with these sexual assaults." No, because it's not The Christmas Party or the Social outreach program that's causing the problem: It's bad, hurtful, or illegal decisions made by you or by some former staff members.

You've always had a reputation for making brash decisions, and most of these have not faired well for you. Poorly thought out statements about Amir0x that bent the truth, came too late, and just weren't handled correctly; decisions to ban certain topics from being discussed; decisions to ban certain members or former staff, and scores of others. This, though, is clearly the worst decision and it shows in inability to accept fault. This decisions seems to simply be another projection: "I've made bad decisions in my life and business, and so the business must be punished." That doesn't make any sense, it's selfish and delusional.

You have an opportunity to make the right decision. Obviously you feel like this site is your baby and "it's your's," but this business exists in spite of you, not because of you. It can be hard for a CEO or business owner to give up something that they think is theirs, many CEOs resist this and are befuddled when their board ousts them for a business that they themselves launched. The right thing for you to do would have been to announce that you're taking an indefinite leave of absence from NeoGaf. Revenue from the site would be put into an escrow account to cover expenses and hire staff who would manage it in your absence. A board of staff (moderators, admins) would be formed to hire staff who would manage the site and support the community. Those would be base level decisions which would ensure, at least, some integrity with the site which would keep at least some members around. The site would persist and could possibly bounce back, ultimately you wouldn't be punishing your customers or your business for your own bad decision. Instead, you made the wrong decision with how this was handled and then continually made the wrong decision with how you're going to move forward with this, instead of holding yourself accountable, you're punishing the community that has made your business successful.

It shows an utter lack of self-awareness which then also undermines any integrity that you're trying to preserve against allegations like the ones you're facing.

This

 

[aerts1js]

I tried visiting a few forums (ign and gamespot) when this was down but they were terrible. In one of the threads there was a comparison between 9/11 and Neogaf which I found to be bizarre. Plus, I like the design and ease of use of this site so I'll probably just stick with it.

As far as the sexual allegations..Im not thinking too much about it until all of the facts come out.

If all the people that are posting nonsense are going to ResetEra then I'll probably just stay here and see how things pan out.

 

[Nintendo's Witch]

Trial by internet isn't something I agree with.

It's pretty scary isn't it?

 

[derwalde]

If all you are after is confirmation then yes, all of the posts in that summarization pic are accurate and were posted by Tyler. I've been here through all of that and I remember every one of those moments, even the shenanigans that went on over at Opa's site. There isn't anything incorrect nor altered in the summarization, unfortunately. When put all together like that into one grouping it looks very bad.

Do you remember the weird bar story?

 

[cookie-monster]

This post nailed it, it’s a shame it got deleted.

Let's say the accusations against Evilore are NOT true, here's where he went wrong

Evilore's mistake isn't that he was accused of the acts in question or even that he denies them. To be fair, we don't know what happened and there's a 50/50 chance he's telling the truth. Either way, it's an ugly thing to accuse someone of, and it's an even uglier thing to have happened if it did in fact happen.

However, this thread is not about that. This thread is assuming that Evilore is innocent as far as the sexual assault is concerned. And I'm not saying that's what I personally believe, (it's not), I'm just assuming that for the sake of argument within this post.

Rather, his mistake was he did not communicate with the NeoGAF community properly, left his mods out to dry without releasing a statement for days, and had too much of a strangle-hold on moderating the forum and determining its discourse over the years which led to a lot of resentment... especially since he profited so much from it.

Whenever you have 1 person in a position of power that relies upon the contributions of many for him to maintain that power, you have the potential for a revolt the moment that any appearance of impropriety emerges about that 1 person. NeoGAF was a sole proprietorship (as far as I know) but Evilore was clearly not the reason why this place was so great. Instead, it was the posters like you and me who created tons of great OTs, shared breaking news. created crazy gifs, and had each other's backs that made NeoGAF what it is. In other words, even though its content was generated democratically, its leader acted like a dictator. No one else could do anything that contradicted him. He acted above criticism and banned those who laid into him hard within these forums

However, as I insinuated before, this community is about us, not him.
Ultimately, we are the reason why it was so great. We generated the content in massive numbers and kept things moving and fun.

And because this forum is great because of us and not him, when Evilore was accused of the sexual assault in question, he had a duty to take the spotlight off himself, either by stepping down, apologizing (if he is in fact guilty of doing this thing), or by donating funds generated by NeoGAF traffic to a worthy cause related to sexual assault victims. When he did not do any of these things, he made us all look bad by association and tamished what we love about this place. He is not an adequate spokesperson for our values.

His response, instead, was basically: "That bitch was crazy. No more OT My bad regarding the mods Talk about games only. Carry on or I'll ban you if you accuse me of shit."

And, quite frankly, that is not an adequate response. Nor was it timely And if he bans me as a result of this civil explanation as to what I deem his mistakes were, well, then it only proves my point that he thinks the forum is about him and that he is above criticism. And make no mistake - he is not. No one is.

In fact, locking/closing all the threads on Friday/Saturday that consisted of people wanting answers was probably the biggest mistake in the history of NeoGAF. If he allowed the criticisms to flow and responded humbly, then this community would still be strong In other words, the cover up on this forum was far worse than the underlying sexual accusations. Today, everyone who posts here about games is choosing to bury their head in the sand and ignore the elephant in the room. The community could have come out stronger in the end if we DID NOT talk about games for a few days and instead made the focus about investigating these actions and airing our grievances about them. Rather than dictating how we move forward in a sticky, he should have asked us in a thread - how CAN we move forward?

In other words, he should have deferred to us as to the best way to handle it because again, who is this community about? (Yep, us).
Yet, he did not do that. He assumed the same role that he always has, and made a decision about our community without input from the community. He is still projecting the same proud dictator image today that he always has. He is not humble even in a moment when he should be (and likely is) feeling incredible shame. And when someone is that out of touch, I completely understand vvhy so many people do not want to contribute to his wealth. I also understand why so many people want to very publicly insult him and ask for bans in protest.

Furthermore, by silencing most of the discussion about the underlying accusations anci talking about games, Evilore, and most of the gamers here, miss the point and don't understand what made the forums great for so many people. NeoGAF no longer feels like a place of truly honest discourse. It's an inauthentic brand going forward and will never be the same until the gaming discussion falls by the wayside for a bit so that the seriousness of the allegations can acknowledged by the entire GAF community. So, Evilore should not have gotten rid of OT and only kept gaming (as he did yesterday). Instead he should have done the opposite - focus on the OT section and create a discussion thread on how we can move forward as a community. He should have participated in the discussion humbly and allowed people to criticize him instead of what he did via the sticky at the top of thread list.

Yes, he can deny accusations. But he should have not denied accusations and closed off discussions. That was a tremendous error. And saying "I was slow and weak. I failed to handle it quickly enough and let the team down " is not a worthy apology and will never satisfy the major contributors to this community. That "slowness" and "weakness" is why he does not deserve to be a spokesperson for this forum any longer, and also why I will not be posting here in the future.

But keep on solely talking about videogames guys. That's not awkward or anything.

And Evilore, if you ban me today, you're beyo. help dude. And you're fighting a battle you cannot vAn. Take a moment to realize what NeoGAF was for so many of us, and then re- read your official statement and ask yourself honestly: "Did I do enough? Is this acceptable?" Because I think you know deep down in your heart what the answer is.

And remember, all this assumes the allegations are false. I could say more of what I really think is happening and who Evilore really is, but I decided to keep it civil on what he clearly deems to be his own turf.


 

[Beardz]

Hey Tyler...

The reason I'm here is because of the MGS4 legendary thread... oh well.

 

[Always-honest]

Your objective was to get attention and to help promote a commercial product. It’s gross. Make fan art for deviant art if you must.

What? People have been doing their best to make a cool OT since forever. Because they love games.
Get the fuck out. Or rather, say here, haha.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

This post nailed it, it’s a shame it got deleted.

We're back to post deletions? Fucks sake.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Your objective was to get attention and to help promote a commercial product. It’s gross. Make fan art for deviant art if you must.

You know, there aren't many times when something makes me legitimately cringe. But you've managed that with these embarrassingly ignorant posts. Congrats.

 

[CaviarMeths]

Your objective was to get attention and to help promote a commercial product. It’s gross. Make fan art for deviant art if you must.

Imagine being such a tool that buying stuff grossed you out.

 

[MatrixMan.EXE]

Your objective was to get attention and to help promote a commercial product. It’s gross. Make fan art for deviant art if you must.

Oh, give it a rest. You sound ridiculous. He loves MGS, wanted to make a great OT and did as much. Why does there have to be some ulterior motive.

 

[cookie-monster]

We're back to post deletions? Fucks sake.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/922893550320279554

 

[Lunafreya Nox Fleuret]

I never really bothered posting here, anyway. Fuck Tyler, fuck anyone standing behind that piece of shit. Hopefully this site dies as quickly as possible. Anyone sticking around is just proving that they are willing to close their eyes to anything. You are part of the problem.

I'm here to kill time with game talk!

 

[clockworkinyou]

Guess I need to post this again since there are some people who seem to have already forgotten after 2 page. Wow, how the mind slips!

"Allegedly"

Opening admitting to sexually assaulting someone(then banning anyone who called him out for it)

Posting revenge porn with their real full names then another admin(a now jailed pedophile) printed the photos and jacked off over them and sent it to the boyfriend.

You're right, how can we even know if he's guilty or not? HMMMM

Also:

Yo - guys in support of shitbagLore; check my post in the divinity thread. I think it’s good.

 

[ZeoVGM]

What? People have been doing their best to make a cool OT since forever. Because they love games.
Get the fuck out. Or rather, say here, haha.

Nah man, no one can be legitimately excited about a product and want to design a cool look for the official thread about that product.

It's GROSS.

Dude has his priorities straight.

 

[Jacce]

Here's the thing.

If another mod/admin had posted on this forum revenge porn against an ex-girlfriend with their FULL NAME attached to the pictures would they still be allowed to be a mod/admin?

Would they still even be allowed to post here?

No, they would be banned.

The question is why would we be ok with Evilore doing that, something any other member, mod, or admin would be banned for doing?

Why isn't the expectation that he steps down when that expectation would be expected of anyone else here?

 

[AALLx]

Melodrama for yo'mama. Can I still say yo mama? Or am I being insensitive to mother's? Or am I appropriating a certain cultures language?

People need to put their big boy (and girl, and cis etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc ) pants on.

For the record, I am in complete agreement of banning posts like this.

Your objective was to get attention and to help promote a commercial product. It's gross. Make fan art for deviant art if you must.

Posts like these that are basically harassment of another members and a complete undermining of another person's creative work should be bannable as well.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

Imagine being such a tool that buying stuff grossed you out.

It encouraged a culture where people tried to up the stakes constantly to have bigger and bigger OTs and encouraged this bullshit overhype culture where the forum felt like being sold to. It’s lame and valueless.

 

[Camper Van Beethoven]

Oh, give it a rest. You sound ridiculous. He loves MGS, wanted to make a great OT and did as much. Why does there have to be some ulterior motive.

The motive is explicit. It’s to promote.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/922893550320279554

Nothings changed then. This threads just here to absorb and ignore, much like the bullshit ad complaints thread.

 

[CaviarMeths]

It encouraged a culture where people tried to up the stakes constantly to have bigger and bigger OTs and encouraged this bullshit overhype culture where the forum felt like being sold to. It’s lame and valueless.

Yes, I'm familiar with your garbage-tier I just hit a bong for the first time and am here to tell you about the evils of capitalism post history. Thanks.

 

[kmax]

so meta

 

[Battlechili]

One question:
Since the intent is to try and make this a more hobby oriented, less political site, and since moderation changes are going to take place, and since the goal is to make the site return to being a place to gather to discuss and enjoy video games:

Will there still be bans made on the discussion of certain games that come out? As it was before:

• Huniepop 2
• Dungeon Travelers 2: The Royal Library & the Monster Seal
• Hatred
• Criminal Girls: Invite Only
• Criminal Girls 2: Party Favors
• Monster Monpiece
• Moero Chronicle
• Moero Crystal

were all banned from discussion, and no one could make threads on them. You couldn't even make threads to discuss them in a negative sense; people simply weren't allowed to talk about them, and for some of them, the reasons were very political and were focused on and associated with who was developing them. Huniepop 2 in particular suffered this especially. I know a lot of people liked Huniepop (I thought it was decent though it suffers a bit as a dating sim since you're encouraged to date everyone), and Huniecam was...liked by a couple people I guess. I was disappointed when Huniepop 2 was banned, and I believe there may have been at least a few people who would've liked to have been able to speculate about the game as well as discuss and compare it on release.

Will things still be this way? The disallowance of certain games from being discussed was one of my past grievances with Neogaf. None of these games were pornographic, and they were games sold in the West with many different aspects (gameplay mechanics, music, art, story, etc) that could be discussed about them. I always found it tragic that people weren't allowed to discuss certain types of games here, as this is a gaming website at the end of the day. Even if you don't like them, is it not important to be able to talk about and say so? To complain and say why these games are bad in various aspects?
....
Sorry, I turned this question into an argument.
Basically my question is, will people still be prevented from discussing these games, and will other games that may come out have the possibility of being banned from discussion?

Requoting this in the hopes I get SOME kind of response from Evilore and/or a moderator.

 

[ZeoVGM]

It encouraged a culture where people tried to up the stakes constantly to have bigger and bigger OTs and encouraged this bullshit overhype culture where the forum felt like being sold to.

No it didn't. OTs have been fine for a very long time.

Most people agree the MGS4 thread was a bit much. And you're upset over it, for some reason, despite it being over a decade ago. The VAST majority of OTs aren't like that. Stop being dishonest.

It’s lame and valueless.

I disagree. I find value in fun OTs. Many others do too.

Don't like them? Scroll past.

 

[Barry Burton]

OrbitalBeard, signing off. Take care, everyone. Hope to bump into many of you in the future.

You still visit Negative World at all? Good people there, even if it's not nearly as active as it once was. I've started posting there again more recently and maybe I'll see ya around. Or perhaps on the other side. Always valued your opinion on games - take care, man.

 

[EverydayBeast]

PS4 > Xbox One

You've had an account since August and you're a junior, for which bans are permanent.

So uh... when and how were you banned before because you "had an opinion?"

You've had your account for only 2 months and since your a junior any ban would be permanent. So I'm calling BS here.

That was my other account I was talking about which has been suspended on numerous occasions for having an opinion against the grain.

 

[white dynamite]

What I never understood about the most extreme people om the left in OT was that they never said: I may disagree with what you are saying, but I will defend with my life your right to say it. In other words, agree to disagree and still be friends, although with different viewpoints.

Instead the approach was: I am the perfect human being because I have all the correct viewpoints. You must mean exactly the same as me. If you disagree with me one percent, than you are one percent evil. If you disagree with me ten percent then you are ten percent evil. Because I have all the good values, so the more you think differently from me, the more evil you are.

There was never any respect towards anyone who did not think the same way as them. For instance, any republican was per definition a racist and a nazi. Thank goodness it is over now. Back to civilization we go.

Completely agree. Even those who were leftist (like myself) were cannibalized by extreme leftists. If you swayed right in the slightest way, good luck expressing your viewpoint without being dogpiled, attacked, or immediately assumed to be a shit human being. Any political topic became a toxic echo chamber. There was only black or white and no room for nuance or empathy.

 

[ZeoVGM]

That was my other account I was talking about which has been suspended on numerous occasions

You... realize that's not a good thing to admit, right?

for having an opinion against the grain.

Like what? This should be good.

 

[Sephzilla]

That was my other account I was talking about which has been suspended on numerous occasions for having an opinion against the grain.

So you just admitted that you're an alt account?

 

[Jacce]

Requoting this in the hopes I get SOME kind of response from Evilore and/or a moderator.

Lets focus on video games, not the fact EL has been proven to post revenge porn and screenshots of him bragging about sexaul assault are out there.

Priorities dude.

Oh and there arent any other mods. They quit in protest.

 

[Nepenthe]

Clutching pearls about the so-called corporate ethics of making a video game topic while on a forum dedicated to a medium that is becoming more and more anti-consumer every year is fucking hilarious.

Now then, back to how awful Neogaf is in its current state.

 

[f0nz0]

I mean, I'm not SJW or anything, but you sound like an asshole. Grow up.

My initial post was exactly what I was referencing, melodramatic and slightly sarcastic..But hey, internet forums... I've been called an idiot, an asshole.. that's fine I don't take it to heart, maybe I projected how people should feel about their forums based on how I feel about them..

I still think the "click my thread ban me" posts are melodrama.

 

[Pusherman]

I dunno. If all these people with the immature account suicides are heading there, I'm fine waiting before jumping in.

Even if you think it's melodramatic, those people are fueled by a desire to show that they won't stand for Malka's appalling way of dealing with a very serious accusation. I'd take that over a forum filled with asshats like this:

Melodrama for yo'mama. Can I still say yo mama? Or am I being insensitive to mother's? Or am I appropriating a certain cultures language?

People need to put their big boy (and girl, and cis etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc ) pants on.

 

[Glass Joe]

Even if you solely take her side of the story:

Two friendly people of the opposite sex get wasted drunk and share a hotel room together. Hammered enough for one of them to feel sick. She as a boyfriend but she's in an open relationship. She leaves the door to the shower cracked open. The drunk dude misreads it as an invite/signal and tries to join her. Gets denied. Isn't that about the extent of the "sexual assault?" Embarrassing for sure, and poor judgement by someone who was shift-faced. But she said "no," and he accepted the "no" and he left.

If the Vice article on the situation is accurate, they continued to be friends. They even had consensual sex AFTER the "incident." That leads me to speculate that they were probably flirty with each other at the time, and she didn't find the original situation nearly as outrageous as the torch & pitchfork internet crowd -- who wasn't there. And she apparently never intended to publicize that situation, but then obviously did years after the fact. Not trying to victim blame, but I'm sorting this info out and am rather surprised at the reaction this is getting.

As if all the outraged people here who are intentionally getting banned would really seem so majestic if their private lives were as scrutinized as his.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

That was my other account I was talking about which has been suspended on numerous occasions for having an opinion against the grain.

You've worked yourself into a shoot.

 

[Vagabundo]

Your objective was to get attention and to help promote a commercial product. It’s gross. Make fan art for deviant art if you must.

lol the maggoty underbelly of gaf has really started to show.