Undead Unicorn
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If you invite condemnation then you will get it. If you know not supporting something will make people dislike you then don't bring it up? All posts are voluntary.
The lack of awareness of this post is amazing.
If you invite condemnation then you will get it. If you know not supporting something will make people dislike you then don't bring it up? All posts are voluntary.
It's the opposite.
It's the juniors defending Evilore or celebrating " the departure of prominent gaffers "
Whereas the folks who account suicided in the past 3-4 hours are the frequent posters.
Thanks, man. It's just heartbreaking to think GAF as I knew it might be gone. People who didn't like that GAF was too "liberal" have a million other places to go to for video games discussion, but what about me and others like me? Where do we go now? GAF was the only one of its kind. If it disappears we have pretty much no other community like it to turn to.
I'm holding out hope that GAF will find new moderators that will allow proper discourse without it devolving into 4chan. That said I understand why people are abandoning ship...this whole thing is nuts.
Where's Japan GAF at? I have no interest in Twitter at all.
Im not telling you, expert 2.0.Where's Japan GAF at? I have no interest in Twitter at all.
That I didn't know what happened with Amirox until this whole thing is a sign of something very wrong about the way things are (were?) handled on gaf.
How do you want people to feel they're part of a community if they're left in the dark for some huge, awful actions of one their prominent members. That HAS to change, whether it comes from a power trip or an inability to prioritize what's important.
Whatever else can be said about the situation, it's very clear that Evilore's ability to lead the website has been fatally compromised. There is no future scenario where we look back at this moment and say "I'm really glad Evilore stayed on." Relative to the alternatives, he is nothing but a liability.
If Evilore cares about the community he has built, he will resign immediately.
Personally I think going "back to just gaming" is almost like admitting we'd all rather ignore the real life situations we just saw unfold this weekend and in general, and just pretend it all never happens.
Which is kind of hard for me to do, personally.
I echo this, time for Evilore to step down and distance himself from NeoGaf.The way this is all being handled is inexcusably bad, it's just a master class in bad executive decisions. There isn't much community left here, but removing the Off Topic forum because the owner of the website allegedly did something disgusting several years ago -- and was identifies -- is punishing the community for disgusting decisions that the owner of the website made.
Evilore, the Off Topic forum did not make you make the wrong decision or do the wrong thing 2 years ago or 5 years ago. The Off Topic forum did not make Amir0x download child pornography. Yes, the Off Topic forum exposes risk for your business (these three issues are examples of that risk), but the reason your business is a business is largely because the site has both a gaming discussion area (which I think is the initial draw for most members) and then an off topic area (which most members also chat in). I think most people here became members to chat about videogames, but then naturally, you chat about other things you're interested in -- sports, movies, music, or the really specific topics like the Black Culture threads, developer/programming threads, or the communities like WrassleGaf or NFLGaf. Punishing those communities because you or your former staff are exposing your business to risk with poor choices is not the right way to handle this.
There have been a number of high profile sexual assaults in the news lately, and while most folks are talking about Harvey Weinstein, Liberty Mutual -- the investment firm -- has also recently fired two employees for sexual misconduct at the workplace. It wouldn't be right for Liberty Mutual to say, "We're not having the company Christmas Party, because Christmas parties is what got us into this mess in the first place," or "We're not going to participate in social out reach because social out reach has made us look like hypocrites with these sexual assaults." No, because it's not The Christmas Party or the Social outreach program that's causing the problem: It's bad, hurtful, or illegal decisions made by you or by some former staff members.
You've always had a reputation for making brash decisions, and most of these have not faired well for you. Poorly thought out statements about Amir0x that bent the truth, came too late, and just weren't handled correctly; decisions to ban certain topics from being discussed; decisions to ban certain members or former staff, and scores of others. This, though, is clearly the worst decision and it shows in inability to accept fault. This decisions seems to simply be another projection: "I've made bad decisions in my life and business, and so the business must be punished." That doesn't make any sense, it's selfish and delusional.
You have an opportunity to make the right decision. Obviously you feel like this site is your baby and "it's your's," but this business exists in spite of you, not because of you. It can be hard for a CEO or business owner to give up something that they think is theirs, many CEOs resist this and are befuddled when their board ousts them for a business that they themselves launched. The right thing for you to do would have been to announce that you're taking an indefinite leave of absence from NeoGaf. Revenue from the site would be put into an escrow account to cover expenses and hire staff who would manage it in your absence. A board of staff (moderators, admins) would be formed to hire staff who would manage the site and support the community. Those would be base level decisions which would ensure, at least, some integrity with the site which would keep at least some members around. The site would persist and could possibly bounce back, ultimately you wouldn't be punishing your customers or your business for your own bad decision. Instead, you made the wrong decision with how this was handled and then continually made the wrong decision with how you're going to move forward with this, instead of holding yourself accountable, you're punishing the community that has made your business successful.
It shows an utter lack of self-awareness which then also undermines any integrity that you're trying to preserve against allegations like the ones you're facing.
The long time virtue signalling sjws falling on their own sword. Amusing to watch.
I'm sorry I've read numerous accounts of the story from the accuser and it reads simply like a scorned ex from every angle
She'd drunk to the point of being sick, her words, he'd matched her drink for drink, there's a good chance neither of them remember properly wtf happened.
She can't have been that traumatised as they went on to have a full blown relationship. She's sounds more pissed at how the relationship ended rather than the clearly clumsy drunken attempt to initiate it.
Still it's funny to see Gaf brought down by faux outraged snowflake SJWs acting on extremely limited evidence of a situation, seeing as that has been what's happening for years.
Oh, and regards the Spanish night club ass grab, having been to a few bouncing, gyrating, grinding night clubs in Spain in my youth it's easy to see how that happened as well. Very easy to get carried away in those places.
Maybe I'll get banned maybe I won't
lol, it's his business. I mean, I guess he could sell it to someone, but he's gonna have a tough time finding buyers after this.
A forum fully ran by self loathing "progressive" neo liberal shills. Sounds like a real winner.
lol, it's his business. I mean, I guess he could sell it to someone, but he's gonna have a tough time finding buyers after this.
Same. I was never even warned. All the hateful members I didnt like ended up getting banned. Worked for me.Honestly, I never felt that the moderation here was too strict. On the contrary, I appreciate the banning of clearly racist or sexist users. In this day and age, it's more important than ever to take a stand against the forces that threaten humanity.
Honestly, I never felt that the moderation here was too strict. On the contrary, I appreciate the banning of clearly racist or sexist users. In this day and age, it's more important than ever to take a stand against the forces that threaten humanity.
.Also for the people complaining about the termination of political discussions, come the fuck on mates there weren't really any discussions taking place in most of those topics, it was just a bunch of people patting each other on the back and agreeing with almost everything and as soon as some nuance or slight diversion is introduced the crowd freaks out and create all kind of strawman to kill that line of thinking. Those political discussions were mostly circle jerks in the grand scheme of things.
This is the kind of garbage people youre now cultivating.
The Vice picture I think paints a pretty realistic picture.
Girl says okay it was fucked up but I'll give malka a second chance. That short relationship ends and girl sees malka pursuing new girl in a rapey way. Girl says fuck you dude and she blocks him on social media.
It's a common excuse for drunks and drug addicts to blame their bad behavior and poor reputation on everyone else. The TOXIC racist misogynist users were banned at the drop of the hat, and the mods would drop the hat, because they dared say they voted for Sanders not Clinton, to politely disagreeing big breasts in an M rated video game meant automatic sexism, to dozens of other things.
Maybe one of the reasons Gaf developed a toxic rep all across the web was because you genuinely made out anyone had a strong disagreement about sex or cultural appropriation, or whatever it was that month that was trendy was tarred and feathered, and treated like Richard Spencer?
Maybe...the reason why even hates you is because you are the baddies?
Great post, I echo the sentiments. The proposed solution here is basically, "We're upon rocky seas and I'm hearing a lot of dissent, so what we're gonna do is cut the boat in half. My expert leadership should definitely get MY half through."
Don't really see a way forward for GAF with this kind of self-important, head-in-the-sand philosophy at the helm.
I desperately hope a community pops up that can recapture GAF's activity and its best aspects, but given the overarching tenor of videogame fandom on the internet at this point, I'm not particularly optimistic.
Just you. Shit like this is a reason why millions of women don't come forward about sexual assault incidents they've experienced. They feel guilty and ashamed of feeling victimized and wanting to come out because their experiences and treatment doesn't reach the levels others have had to deal with. That's a huge reason casual sexism and harassment exist everywhere. And posts like yours only reinforce that by feeding into that idea that some harassment and assault doesn't matter and detracts from "real" assault.
It might be just one incident but Tyler's recounting and justification for his actions was beyond gross and predatory. By his own very detailed admission, though he didn't intend to, he revealed his predatory nature and belief that his actions towards women was not only acceptable but justified.
Honestly, I never felt that the moderation here was too strict. On the contrary, I appreciate the banning of clearly racist or sexist users. In this day and age, it's more important than ever to take a stand against the forces that threaten humanity.
Nekketsu Kõha;252774981 said:You sound paranoid and you couldn't be more wrong about the moderation that happened.
we'll be lucky if this site actually reverts from being a toxic politically-driven hivemind into being a place for video game news and discussion again.A million threads complaining about how all of women in Dead or Alive Extreme Volleyball have big exposed breasts. A million other ones about how poor whites, who voted for Hillary Clinton overall by large margins, deserve to have their healthcare taken away because they didn't like her enough and dared pose skepticism to her and her Wallstreet and war record.
I want an invite to GAF discord as well
Shit like this is exactly the crap I enjoyed avoiding on this forum.The long time virtue signalling sjws falling on their own sword. Amusing to watch.
I'm sorry I've read numerous accounts of the story from the accuser and it reads simply like a scorned ex from every angle
She'd drunk to the point of being sick, her words, he'd matched her drink for drink, there's a good chance neither of them remember properly wtf happened.
She can't have been that traumatised as they went on to have a full blown relationship. She's sounds more pissed at how the relationship ended rather than the clearly clumsy drunken attempt to initiate it.
Still it's funny to see Gaf brought down by faux outraged snowflake SJWs acting on extremely limited evidence of a situation, seeing as that has been what's happening for years.
Oh, and regards the Spanish night club ass grab, having been to a few bouncing, gyrating, grinding night clubs in Spain in my youth it's easy to see how that happened as well. Very easy to get carried away in those places.
Maybe I'll get banned maybe I won't
Im not telling you, expert 2.0.
I stopped going to JapanGAF a bit ago, so I have no idea. I just talk to a few members I met in Japan through line. The communities I followed are on discord, though. The future is unclear right now for most members, I think.
Only issue is that 4chan is a very low bar for standards. If GAF goes anywhere near that, even I would jump ship. I mean, there aren't a lot of liberal and progressive leaning websites that also deals with games. I use several other forums and all of them have a conservative slant to it, where honest discussion is impossible due to people being intellectually dishonest throughout conversation (even trolling hard) as it has no consequence from a modding standpoint.
So unironically tossing SJW around as a pejorative is going to be normal thing around here now?
A million threads complaining about how all of women in Dead or Alive Extreme Volleyball have big exposed breasts. A million other ones about how poor whites, who voted for Hillary Clinton overall by large margins, deserve to have their healthcare taken away because they didn't like her enough and dared pose skepticism to her and her Wallstreet and war record.
It's funny when people say they got shit on in the OT for no reason. Did you really? Like, deep down did you think they were just being crazy and had zero reason to? Like, I was shit on but I realize what I said was offensive. I deserved it. I hated it for a bit but I moved on. I decided to just read those threads instead of trying to shitpost in them. After a while you realize a pattern of the same arguments and same shitposts. Arguments and shitposts that have been 100% debunked.
This is straight up BS. And this "y'all didn't care" is too. Who is that y'all. Why am I part of it? Because I disagree with you on the matter? Do you not see how that's not helping any discusssion? This is the exact thing I'm talking about. Stop thinking in groups. I'm not part of that perceived something just because I disagree with you on the topic of how the general discourse of OT GAF was.People who were dogged on in the OP knew they were wrong because they would tell you were wrong. They wouldn't even get angry. They'd just say, "read a bit more on the subject" or actually tell you the truth. But y'all didn't care.
You got bit and decided to hide somewhere and be quiet. You waited. You were angry not because you bit by them, but due to being wrong and your ego and pride could not handle it. Y'all wanted to be hot shits and drop in with truthbombs and leave but your pride couldn't handle a response articulating why you were wrong so you kept going. Now you're at a point where those people are moving on. They're off making their own community without you. Guess what? You're still angry at them for proving you wrong and that's why you're saying it was their fault.
Even still this will fall on deaf ears. Y'all only care about getting back at people rather than discussing no matter how many times you claim it's about the discussion. No one's buying it.
Nekketsu Kõha;252774240 said:That fact that you think the story about a secretary who worked for Elon Musk lost their job is important or newsworthy says it all. Sadly however you fail at grasping that.
we'll be lucky if this site actually reverts from being a toxic politically-driven hivemind into being a place for video game news and discussion again.
Finally.
It will be weird not having a pack of minorities go chimp on you for voicing different opinions. But we will adjust.
I was more laughing about their new forum which is probably gonna 1000x worse as a far left echo chamber than GAF became. I've never been personally banned, but I've seen many posters on here before get banned for just simply sharing the wrong political belief. Many of the mods were bad at their jobs.
So unironically tossing SJW around as a pejorative is going to be normal thing around here now?
If you invite condemnation then you will get it. If you know not supporting something will make people dislike you then don't bring it up? All posts are voluntary.
So unironically tossing SJW around as a pejorative is going to be normal thing around here now?
Same. I was never even warned. All the hateful members I didnt like ended up getting banned. Worked for me.
And lots and lots of code switchingAin't that the truth.
I don't want to get too much into my own sob story here but as a woman who was sexually assaulted by a man as a child, who spoke up about it only to see that man walk away scot-free with zero repercussions, this is just... I can't even describe it. It serves as a reminder of my place in the world, I guess. I liked GAF because it was a place that more or less respected women and minorities, a place where I could discuss video games without being reminded that I don't belong, a place where people could discuss issues of representation in video games without the discussion being drowned by cries of "SJW!!!". Now it's just another corner of the Internet full of neckbeards circlejerking about SJWs and virtue signaling. I'm just tired.