Princess Skittles
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I'm stunned. Zero Mission is one of the BEST remakes of all time. His reasoning is utter nonsense.
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The Top Five Best/Worst Remakes in Gaming History
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Night_Trekker
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Guybrush Threepwood said:
If a game is truly unplayable, it was never playable in the first place.
But yeah, Zero Mission was a great update to the original game, if a tad more linear than I would have liked.
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Is Metroid: Zero Mission a terrible game? By no means. On its own terms, it's rather good. But as a reconception of one of the greatest, most influential games ever made, it's a disaster, taking everything that made Metroid spooky and replacing it with a thick layer of corn. Metroid was heavily influenced by Alien. Remember the petrified extraterrestrial skeleton in Alien? What if that bastard had gotten up and started bombarding Sigourney Weaver with some hack's idea of ancient wisdom? Wouldn't that have pretty much thrown the movie's chilly austerity out the window? Like so many latter-day games, Zero Mission thinks comic-book jibber-jabber is cooler than eerie silence. This lack of subtlety is echoed in the gameplay itself, which, while it controls a lot better than Metroid, is chock-full of egregious hand-holding and advice-giving — pretty much the exact opposite of the original's sprawling openendedness. Metroid is practically Lovecraftian in the way it makes you feel tiny and alone in a vast and hostile universe. Don't look for that feeling in Zero Mission. Oh, and it also mangles the most immortal climax in videogame history — the truly unsettling slaughter of a shrieking brain in a jar, followed by a hair-raising escape sequence — by tacking on a (sigh) stealth section. — PSSo basically, the review says that it's a "bad remake" because it has "corn," (don't see any here other than a better color palette) and they wanted "sprawling openendedness" (which the game had by the way) and a spooky atmosphere? (the enemies are still freaky) Did these morans ever play Super Metroid?
They also claimed that the stealth section was "tacked on." For god sakes, if you want to finish the game after the escape sequence, why not stop playing?
O SH--
while everyone freaks out about Zero Mission on the list, I'll go ahead and say the worst remake I ever played was the FFI GBA remake. The difficulty was dumbed down so much, you could pretty much just tap the A Button the entire game and finish it. No more having to grind in the Elf forest to afford that Silver Sword, just so you could last more then 5 minutes in the swamp cave. I think my martial artist was hitting close to 9999 by the time I reached the final boss, and this is without level grinding what so ever.
awful stuff.
awful stuff.
Including levels from past games isn't a remake. A remake has to be largely molded around the original, even if the changes are pretty big. That's why, for example, CODE: Veronica isn't a remake of the original RE despite having a few locations based the original game. Mario Kart Wii took some material from the past games, but not enough to craft it as a remake. It's a sequel.
The problem -- besides the cutscenes and rerecorded dialogue being largely inferior to the original -- is that the remake uses the MGS2 engine, which essentially breaks the game in places; the player is able to use mechanics like first-person shooting, hanging from rails, etc. that the original game did not count on, and so consequently the whole thing becomes absurdly easy.Hero of Canton said:
diffusionx
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I have been playing through Zero Mission the past week or so and its a great game. That rant reads like a complaint against what they read in a FAQ or something. As a Metroid game its top notch, and yes it is pretty huge and sprawling.
I would put Conker into the "worst" because it's more tame than the original which was published by Nintendo. Who would've guessed that? Plus they hyped the shit out of the game originally as an "uncut" experience.
I would put Conker into the "worst" because it's more tame than the original which was published by Nintendo. Who would've guessed that? Plus they hyped the shit out of the game originally as an "uncut" experience.
sonarrat said:
Well, it was a port and not a remake but I've heard people say they hate Grandia 2 based on having played the PS2 game. It's one of my favorite RPGs based on having played the DC version. I know there were some glitches with the port but was there any other major difference from the DC & PS2 versions?
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:lol :lol I can't believe this guy was just confirmed as a bot operated by something...viral...
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Yeah, Zero Mission is made with speed running and sequence breaking in mind. Have a look at some of the speed runs, you'll find it's the least linear Metroid!
Yeah, Zero Mission is made with speed running and sequence breaking in mind. Have a look at some of the speed runs, you'll find it's the least linear Metroid!
Princess Skittles
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Other awesome remakes:
Tales of Destiny: Director's Cut
Ys: The Oath in Felghana
Dragon Quest I, II, III, IV (and probably V and VI)
Tales of Destiny: Director's Cut
Ys: The Oath in Felghana
Dragon Quest I, II, III, IV (and probably V and VI)
Hero of Canton said:
Without getting into an essay's worth of words, Twin Snakes kind of did the opposite of what it was intended to be; instead of being a smartly done infusion of MGS2's mechanics and MGS1's setting and story, it ended up being a fairly big regression of MGS2's gameplay (it doesn't even have real analog movement outside of aiming) that felt incredibly tacked on to MGS1's virtually untouched level design and guard layouts. With the exception of a much-appreciated secret in REX's hangar that cuts down on backtracking, all they did was throw some lockers here and there. Whether this was something that Kojima specifically wanted them to do or just Silicon Knights not having enough time to add stuff, no one knows; we just have the final product to judge.
It was also pretty poorly programmed; the framerate is wildly inconsistent (pray you don't get into a Clearing situation) and the character models were all pretty damn ugly besides Snake and Cyborg Ninja. It is not unreasonable to say that MGS2 looked substantially better, but in a way MGS1 trounces the attention to detail that TTS sorely lacked. Kojima's team is really smart; they ended up using the inadequacies of the PS1 hardware to their advantage for MGS1. You really got the sense that you were in a badly kept nuclear facility with how everything looked worn and run down, which was something that was essentially necessary to hide what the PS1 wasn't capable of rendering (texture warping be damned). In comparison; TTS looked brand new for all the wrong reasons.
There's also the standard list of complaints: VA cast sounded audibly bored that they had to record this game again, over-the-top cutscenes that Kojima had changed to when he was "dissatisfied" with Ryuhei Kitamura's original concepts for them (he actually wanted them to be as close to the originals as possible), really bad music, some weird control choices (like the aforementioned digital movement) and absolutely no new stuff to unlock INCLUDING the removal of the VR missions entirely. Compared to what it should have been, it was quite literally anything but.
...shit that was an essay after all.
Anyways, I definitely don't disagree with their best remake choices, but a huge :lol at their bad remake list. It's like they've completely forgotten actual worthy choices like Sword of Mana and Conker: Live and Reloaded.
Would a game in a series that doesn't have a subtitle (ie Turok or Alone In The Dark) be considered remakes?
That "worst" list is just terrible.
I never played Conker, but Sword of Mana is a horrible experience. That definitely deserves to be slagged off over most other remakes.
That "worst" list is just terrible.
Ridley327 said:
I never played Conker, but Sword of Mana is a horrible experience. That definitely deserves to be slagged off over most other remakes.
Death_Born
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I just watched the attached video for MZM, and apparently they actually edited the bonus art into the game footage to make it look like it was some kind of cheesy montage when that was clearly not shown in the actual game. Sigh....
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vas_a_morir
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I call total bullshit on this article.
Mario 3 GBA looked great, and added a world map that allowed you to play any level in the game after you beat it. What a crock of shit.
Mario 3 GBA looked great, and added a world map that allowed you to play any level in the game after you beat it. What a crock of shit.
flintstryker
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WHAT THE FUCK!@!seaandthebells said:
Iaido Sword
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If CTDS is headed the way most of us are thinking, it might be the most disappointing remake.
Father_Brain
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vag 2.0 said:
Port, not a remake.
Anyway, I agree with everyone. Terrible list.
Metaphoreus
This is semantics, and nothing more
seaandthebells said:
What about Halo 3?
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