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The ultimate Red Dead Redemption 2 Stadia vs. XBox One X comparison. Digital Foundry.
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Aceofspades
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Stadia will fail, Xcloud will fail ... We are simply not ready for steaming future.
Insane Metal
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Saber
Gold Member
Why do I have a feeling that the idea it self came from people watching streamings, but not actually interested to play?
dotnotbot
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Lol, it doesn't work that way. If you say it's comparable it means you're sitting too far away from your tv to see enough details and make a proper judgement.
There' already a huge difference when watching this video on a phone or 1440p monitor from my standard viewing position. Big 4k tv should make it even worse, not better.
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Do you realize that this video is also compressed? Video stream will never compare to native output from console.
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MastAndo
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To be fair, their tests showed that the Stadia version is actually more responsive (input lag-wise) than the Xbox One X version.
I can't say I'm as appalled by all this as others seem to be. If Google didn't go and promise the sun, the moon and the stars in the marketing of this (combined with the terrible pricing plan), it actually doesn't seem all that terrible.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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I've finished Half Life 2 on OG Xbox and games running at 20 FPS like Perfect Dark or OoT. I can deal with lag.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Standards change with the times. Those were tolerable at best back then. By today's standards though, no way I could play them that way.
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SpongebobSquaredance
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If I have the option to play a game in 60 FPS then I definitely prefer that. However, I dont think those games are unplayable by today standards, just not exactly the ideal way to play.
As for Stadia, I think people will be fine with games running at 30 FPS (or 50-60 FPS) with occasional lag. Many gamers dont care that much about FPS, at least not in the sense like we do.
As long it runs well enough to be enjoyable for the casual gamer its fine imo.
20 fps is 50 ms delay per frame. Those games were probably more responsive than most modern games.
JLB
Banned
haha.... so in point.
Stuart360
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People always go on about input lag (rightly so), but its the awful image quality thats my main problem. I want to see the texture detail, the pin sharp image quality, not blurry with colour banding and artifacts all over the screen.
I mean people joke about it but it really is like playing a Youtube video.
I mean people joke about it but it really is like playing a Youtube video.
Evilms
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- Contrary to what Google claimed before the launch, the game runs on Stadia in 1440p/30fps at best with a rendering lower than the XB1 X and not in 4K/Max settings.
- In 4K it remains upscale and not native.
- According to DF, it is complicated to count the exact number of pixels because of artifacts and compression.
- Overall the rendering is quite blurry.
- It lags, even if the Stadia version in 1080p/60fps is actually more reactive than the XB1 X version in 4K/30fps.
- The game on Stadia in its standard version is quite far away in terms of rendering and quality offered on XB1 X and PC.
- In its Pro version, it is a little closer but remains below the XB1 X and PC version.
- In Balanced mode the game runs at 1080p/50~60fps although not quite smooth.
Insane Metal
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Thanks, I'll ad to the post.
Evilms
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No problem
Polygonal_Sprite
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Look, it is more responsive on Stadia... lol.
Hayabusabruh
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Xcloud is a win for me as is. Haven't had any problems whatsoever. Playing Tekken7 and DMC5 on my phone feels cute af.
I sit fairly close to my television and I would bet that the average gamer would be hard-pressed to see the difference
You’re right and if it was any other YouTube channel I would think the same but this is digital foundry we’re talking about here.
Jtibh
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Thats what you are proud off?
Pffff brother i beat rtx red rock on ps2 . Thats a life time achivment
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Haha that's it?! I beat Stunt Racer FX and Star Fox
Jtibh
Banned
Wow wow have you ever played at 1 frame a second?
Once that game hits the mars surface it goes down to 1 to 10 frames .
Stunt racer and starfox hell even doom om snes are a dream to play compared to this budussy smelling crap
Freedom Gate Co.
Banned
Google could at least pretend to have some dignity by paying the reviewers off. Do they not realizing having this kind of coverage at launch could kill this project of theirsf before the end of the year?
JareBear: Remastered
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Stadia....
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JareBear: Remastered
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Pallas
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If it’s a single player game, you are right but multiplayer games(especially first person shooters) really need that 60 FPS.
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
You just don't get it, do you buddy? Input lag was a design choice.
A.Romero
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Pretty interesting. I'm waiting for it to be released on Steam.
I think I'll have to run it on 1080P if I want all the bells and whistles using a 2080 Super.
Aceofspades
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No worries MS will do that for Xcloud .
KingdomHeartsFan
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Can't even keep up with current gen consoles and next gen is right around the corner.
kraspkibble
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but i thought Google said we wouldn't need our own PCs anymore? lol
lol at all the people thinking they could play the game at PC quality without spending the money building a PC.
PC, as always, is the best place to play this game (and mostly every other game).
lol at all the people thinking they could play the game at PC quality without spending the money building a PC.
PC, as always, is the best place to play this game (and mostly every other game).
alabtrosMyster
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While I tend to agree, early streaming video was a mess as well, it took a while for the quality to be acceptable.
And most people still can't stream 4k (let alone at 60fps).
Aceofspades
Banned
Too many variables can affect connection quality. Server distance, user internet speed, unstable connection. Also you have to consider that games graphics and details are progressing way faster than quality of internet connection globally. That's why I don't see the industry shifting towards Stadia, Xcloud and PSNow in the near future. Good thing for Sony and MS that they still are offering local hardware that complements current advancements in gaming. Google in the other hand, they are in trouble.
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FranXico
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Hell, did you even notice how articles and videos only compare Stadia to MS products? It's like no other streaming services exist.
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alabtrosMyster
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Yup, well I pointed out some of the potential local issues, that doesn't even go to the ISP, geography, etc.
Another problem is how you are supposed to scale computing ressources. Let's say on 90% of the days in a month 10 people are playing at the same time, so you need to have 10 machines + GPUs available, but one day a huge game comes out, of you have Christmas and a ton of kids get new games that they want to play right away... now you need 30 machines for a couple of hours for that one time in the year.
How do they provision for this without making the service's price really close to a console's price? or how do they make it work without having some recurring fee along the games purchase (you essentially rent the machine to ensure it's available to you, even then I am fairly sure it's not guaranteed at all time).
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Hell, did you even notice how articles and videos only compare Stadia to MS products? It's like no other streaming services exist.
Stadia claimed gaming would be better and more advanced on Stadia than on NEXT gen consoles. X1X and PC are the most powerful gaming machines THIS gen so it makes sense to compare it to those machines to see if Skynet's claims are legit. (Hint- they're not)
PSNow never made any ridiculous claims about their streaming being better than even the OG X1, the least powerful console this gen, so there is no reason to compare to PSNow. I don't know anything about any other streaming services but I doubt they made absurd performance claims like Stadia either.