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The Walking Dead Season 2 SPOILERS Thread!

Who said his losses got to him beyond reason? He punched some kid in the face after he tried to kill everyone? Boo hoo. His losses are the only reason why he knew how important that baby was, how Carver needed to die, and how Jane's irreverence was unreliable to the point of being dangerous. Oh yeah, he's also the one who delivered the baby.

I don't see a single action of Kenny's that wasn't necessary outside of his Arvo abuse getting a teensy bit out of line.

In the same way some see choosing Kenny as crazy, that's the way I see Jane too.

Over the whole season? I can think of plenty, including 1 that got 1 (possibly 2) people killed and another that got Luke killed. He would of let more die, if it wasn't for Sarita/Clem likely being the next target. Unnecessary actions, since you can't save a group by yourself with a bolt-action rifle when your enemies have semi-automatics. Another potential issue was when he was going to try to break out, but luckily got knocked out in the back of the truck.

Jane wasn't crazy, just irrational on her later plan. That is the only action she done wrong that qualifies her as crazy. Only other problem with her is she was surviving to survive and not truly living. She was justified on what she was trying to do, but it was a crazy plan, no one denies this.

Everyone knew how important the baby was... how does marching for Wellington (don't go by gamer eyes here) blindly, aide the baby? It was blind hope and could of left the group in ruin. That is not how to lead a group.

Only things he did right that I completely agree with is killing Carver and leaving Arvo behind. He never thinks anything through and acts with impunity, just like in S1.
 
Kenny made it abundantly clear he'd never lay a hand on me. Jane provoking a broken, perhaps unstable man to fight and die to show me he's 'nuts' is foolish. She deserved death for doing something that stupid. She at no point respected the state of mind he was in. The way she provoked him while they were in the car was unjustifiable. I'd kill her too for the things she'd pull.

Kenny in the end made a great sacrifice and showed he only cared about getting me and the baby to safety. That's all that matters.

His mind was slipping who are we to say that really? He beat a kid unconscious when a simple slap would've sufficed. When he went to fight with Jane he pushes away, not gently, but like you're an obstruction between him and his goal. Jane said multiple times throughout the episode that Kenny was a sad sight and that she feels for him. She even says " that man needs a drink more than any of us" in a sad way when you go to him after you talk with her (assuming that's the order you choose).

She didn't want to provoke him to a death match. She even puts the knife away at a point and tells him to keep away, he still lunges at her. At that point it was survival. She wanted to show Clem that his anger gets the better of him. In her story she looked shocked and tried to reason with Kenny that she didn't abandon the kid, and that it wasn't her fault. He didn't even try to hear her out, that's the big thing with Kenny. He doesn't listen to anybody when he's angry or stubborn. If you have a violent dog that is sweet to you but attempts to hurt everybody else, that's not a healthy mentality for a dog why would it be any better for a human? His anger issues and stubbornness were so high he literally drove people away to leave the group.

As to the argument in the car, he was being controlling. He needed to hear the truth that the ghosts of his dead loved ones are chained to him. It's a fucking intervention, was it the proper moment? No. But he was going to drive to wherever he wanted and all of you better be glad. And when she asked for him to stop the car he just kept driving.

Jane is not perfect. They made that abundantly clear with her backstory and what she did to her sister. She has issues interacting with people. But she's level headed and a willing to listen to advice. She even came back for Clem when every fiber in her being told her to leave, she's changed for the better. She fucked up in the plan because she didn't know how far Kenny was going to snap. She doesn't deserve to die for a failed plan. Kenny has been putting everybody in danger and causing stress from day one. He even says you did the right choice if you shoot him. He's tired of this world. He doesn't have the mentality to survive in it. Clem needs a proper role model with the right skills. And Jane isn't perfect, but lord knows she's better than Kenny.

God I wish Lee was alive this wouldn't even be a choice, always stick with Lee.
 
Kenny shows his true colors at the end.

Best episode of the 5.

I'm not sure f there are different endings or not, but whoever couldn't see how good a man Kenny was was blinded by what everyone in the group thought of him.

Mike and Bonnie stealing the kid and the supplies when I JUST convinced Kenny to talk nicely to everyone the next day confirmed that I was right the whole time about Kenny and Arvo. I didn't let up on Arvo for a second. He was truly a piece of shit and I wish I was given the option to off him.

#teamkenny all the way. Never wavered.
 
I don't see a single action of Kenny's that wasn't necessary outside of his Arvo abuse getting a teensy bit out of line.

In the same way some see choosing Kenny as crazy, that's the way I see Jane too.

Nah, even in season 1 he had a rather blinding sense of needing to do "something" without direction and made really snap judgements for the sake of him and his family's safety. Admittedly, the idea of wellington was probably one of his most sound decisions considering the rumours that consistently pointed there. I would have wanted to head back for some supplies and then make it there for safeties sake.

Anyway, Jane was fine up until her leaving, which was iffy, then this episode in general. Her waving a knife around is clearly not to prove a point. I think both Kenny and Jane have the same amount of crazy, but at least you could understand Kenny to a degree. Much of Jane was unknown. Probably not deserving of death but I was happy enough to look away and see Kenny survive. Although first time through I read the dialogue wrong and though it said Shoot kenny/shoot Jane as opposed to look away... so I shot kenny and regretted everything but was too pussy to walk away and go it alone... however I choose to go the Kenny leaves clem in wellington route since I did read it wrong...

still I'm annoyed this breaks my un-edited run through both seasons
 
Because its what he accused her of doing and she made no attempt to make an opposing claim, heavily implying its what she did?

In a high tension situation like that, it can be hard to justify yourself or explain what happened when the other person's all up in your face, with intent to straight up murder. She even said that "it was an accident." Wouldn't you want to prod more into that then go "YOU DID IT"?
 
Fuck sake

I wanted to go to Wellington, but not with Kenny..... WHERE WERE MY CHOICES?!?

ONLY because I thought the choice given was shoot Kenny or Shoot Jane, I ended up shooting Kenny when I knew it wasn't the right thing to do, because trying to stop Jane got me pushed out of the way, and she was going at him with a fucking knife! If she wanted to prove a point fine, but doing it with a knife was obviously showing a different intent.

Jane was not going to win in a fight with Kenny using her bare hands. If she didn't take out the knife, Kenny would have beaten her to death.
 
In a high tension situation like that, it can be hard to justify yourself or explain what happened when the other person's all up in your face, with intent to straight up murder. She even said that "it was an accident." Wouldn't you want to prod more into that then go "YOU DID IT"?

Hey, if you 'accidentally' killed my baby, in Kenny's situation, I'd kill you too. A lot of emotion would charge a person in situation like that.
 
I kinda liked Jane in the previous episodes, but really, her pretending the baby was dead was utter bullshit. Glad I let Kenny kill her. Was tempted to stay in Wellington, but fuck that, broskis 4 lyfe.
 
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#KennyRedeemed
 
Fuck sake

I wanted to go to Wellington, but not with Kenny..... WHERE WERE MY CHOICES?!?

You mean like head there yourself? Or you mean go inside? Because Kenny isn't allowed to enter, really.

ONLY because I thought the choice given was shoot Kenny or Shoot Jane, I ended up shooting Kenny when I knew it wasn't the right thing to do, because trying to stop Jane got me pushed out of the way, and she was going at him with a fucking knife! If she wanted to prove a point fine, but doing it with a knife was obviously showing a different intent.

Okay you do know Kenny was trying to kill her, right? It wasn't just some scrap fight you know. The one that had killing intent was Kenny, otherwise Jane would of kept the knife unsheathed. She put it away to show she wouldn't back off, but wanted no conflict.

She was only defending herself, no intention at all to kill Kenny until she was being strangled.

Kenny made it abundantly clear he'd never lay a hand on me. Jane provoking a broken, perhaps unstable man to fight and die to show me he's 'nuts' is foolish. She deserved death for doing something that stupid. She at no point respected the state of mind he was in. The way she provoked him while they were in the car was unjustifiable. I'd kill her too for the things she'd pull.

Kenny in the end made a great sacrifice and showed he only cared about getting me and the baby to safety. That's all that matters.

I am sure many people thought this of the people that murdered, raped, or assaulted them. There is no telling what a person would do when they snap, bro.

She didn't provoke him to fight, it was just obvious that is what he was intending after believing the baby was killed by her. They were both being childish, in the car, provoking one another really. She was showing he wasn't reasonable, hell, the entire group left and wanted to leave him.

What matters is what you believe that matters. I just don't agree with calling Jane's character an overall crazy women for one single stupid decision and then glorifying Kenny's "sacrifices" when he made more stupid decisions, even when it resulted in the deaths of others.

He needed time to settle down which none of them had. Kenny was in a make it or break in scenario, and he broke. I do not see redemption in his actions just because he told them to take Clem and the baby. It was a logical decision, anything else would be selfish :)
 
Anybody else not get achievements for it? None of them triggered wtf. My choices didn't load again either.

Also I stayed with Kenny till the end, just like Season 1. Payed off completely too in the end. At Wellington I accepted his request and went inside, he'll have a chance to survive on his own, he's done so for a long time.

My choices didn't seem to register either, and neither did my achievements (Steam version). Great. Probably means I'll have to play it all over again.
 
My choices didn't seem to register either, and neither did my achievements (Steam version). Great. Probably means I'll have to play it all over again.

Choices usually appear when you start the game up again, I just hope I don't have to replay the entire thing for achievements, I want another 100% done game, but I don't wanna risk messing up my save file...
 
Choices usually appear when you start the game up again, I just hope I don't have to replay the entire thing for achievements, I want another 100% done game, but I don't wanna risk messing up my save file...

Just rewind back to the start of episode 5, that makes you create a second save file.

I really wish there was a "Let's walk around the ice. Walking through it would be extremely idiotic and risky" option.

"Let's not go that toothpick house. 'Tis a silly place."

Wow I'm surprised by the amount of people siding with Kenny.

When push came to shove, I chose him over Jane because Jane proved twice in a row that she's untrustworthy. First she ditches the group, and then she goads a man who's already lost everything into attacking him. I wanted to shoot her myself.

But there's no real right or wrong choices here, after all. It's interesting in hearing how other people rationalize their choices, that's how I do mine.
 
I just finished it. Ended with Clem all alone with the baby. That shit Jane pulled was just infuriating. She didn't have to fucking manipulate Clem to see that Kenny's a time bomb, because it couldn't be more fucking obvious. I'm trying my best to calm him down goddammit, but noooo, you just had to make him angry, didn't you? AND YOU MADE ME KILL HIM. AND FOR WHAT? TO MAKE ME SEE THAT HE'S LOST IT? YOU FUCKING MADE HIM "LOSE" IT! WHAT THE FUCK JANE

And then there's that part where the group tried to leave with the truck Kenny himself fucking fixed. "Oh! We shouldn't leave tonight, Kenny! Because it's too dangerous, Kenny! Bad idea, Kenny!" Fucking shameless, ungrateful, backstabbing pricks. No wonder Kenny hates everybody in the group.

brb replaying so kenny doesn't die
 
Hey, if you 'accidentally' killed my baby, in Kenny's situation, I'd kill you too. A lot of emotion would charge a person in situation like that.

Exactly, that is what makes him a ticking timebomb. When a person is so enraged that all reason leaves them. Be realistic, with a person like Kenny, you don't know when he will snap on you.

I am sure many people thought Carver was a good many (the Governor too), then these characters start taking losses they can't cope with. It is human, but it is also risky to go off blind faith that somehow he will be snap to his senses in all situations.

This isn't a world where you can call the cops and have the person detained or get psychological treatment. The only choices you have with people like this in such a world is to cut them loose, kill them, or risk being with them. Many people made the "risk being with them" choice and ended up dead by that very person's hand.


I love Kenny, just, Jane was completely right and justified. Was still a shit plan though.
 
They'd better have DLC where we get to kill those fuckers who tried to steal our shit. Seemed more than a little out of character for them to suddenly give the Russian a gun and steal supplies from a bunch of kids.
 
Exactly, that is what makes him a ticking timebomb. When a person is so enraged that all reason leaves them. Be realistic, with a person like Kenny, you don't know when he will snap on you.

I am sure many people thought Carver was a good many (the Governor too), then these characters start taking losses they can't cope with. It is human, but it is also risky to go off blind faith that somehow he will be snap to his senses in all situations.

This isn't a world where you can call the cops and have the person detained or get psychological treatment. The only choices you have with people like this in such a world is to cut them loose, kill them, or risk being with them. Many people made the "risk being with them" choice and ended up dead by that very person's hand.


I love Kenny, just, Jane was completely right and justified. Was still a shit plan though.

I wouldn't call Jane a safe choice, either. She's ditched Clementine before and she's clearly uncomfortable around other people, just a matter of time before she'd run off again.

In a world like that, if you start thinking about what people might do, you might as well just kill everybody.
 
What matters is what you believe that matters. I just don't agree with calling Jane's character an overall crazy women for one single stupid decision and then glorifying Kenny's "sacrifices" when he made more stupid decisions, even when it resulted in the deaths of others.

Course he made more stupid decisions. Kenny was in a bad place. Surely a man who has lost as much as he has (even recently with Sarita) can be cut some slack. Jane is cold. She might be more of a level headed survivor, but it doesn't make her less of a dick. Game of choice, man. Boils down to :
1) cold, mean and level headed survivor.
2) Flawed and unstable Daddy.

I pick the second.


I love Kenny, just, Jane was completely right and justified. Was still a shit plan though.

Still struggling to understand how someone can think this. Have a man die thinking his new baby is dead just to show a kid he's unstable.
Kenny snapped on a ton of people but I stand by the belief he'd never hurt clem. Hell, even when Clem aims a gun at him, he encourages her calmly to 'do it.' The Kenny-Wellington ending shows this, I think. They care about each other.
 
I wouldn't call Jane a safe choice, either. She's ditched Clementine before and she's clearly uncomfortable around other people, just a matter of time before she'd run off again.

In a world like that, if you start thinking about what people might do, you might as well just kill everybody.

Not Lee.

Lee was ultimate dad figure. Calm and collected.


Well assuming you didn't transform him into an asshole lol
 
They'd better have DLC where we get to kill those fuckers who tried to steal our shit. Seemed more than a little out of character for them to suddenly give the Russian a gun and steal supplies from a bunch of kids.

That was so bloody stupid. There's no logical reason to give the Russian kid a weapon. It made no god damn sense!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdtAlcEclbk

Scumbag Lee was hilarious. But yeah, seeing everything go to shit makes you miss Lee. That dream sequence, man.
Love that video.

Part of me was hoping they'd add some dream-breaking dialogue, like if she were talking to a ghost of lee in her sleep. Would've made the gut punch much worst if she realized it was a dream and asked if she could stay here with him, and he said she can't.


:'''(
 
Love that video.

Part of me was hoping they'd add some dream-breaking dialogue, like if she were talking to a ghost of lee in her sleep. Would've made the gut punch much worst if she realized it was a dream and asked if she could stay here with him, and he said she can't.


:'''(

What was the deal with Ben sitting dead with a pistol in his hand? Just some random dream imagery?

Also, fuck Bonnie for saying that Clem isn't expected to do anything. Because we haven't spent a whole season with the adults letting it fall to Clem to do the heavy lifting.
 
Love that video.

Part of me was hoping they'd add some dream-breaking dialogue, like if she were talking to a ghost of lee in her sleep. Would've made the gut punch much worst if she realized it was a dream and asked if she could stay here with him, and he said she can't.


:'''(

I was hoping for something like that, too. Like him telling her "you have to go back now". Make Lee the Dumbledore he was always meant to be.
 
Btw was I supposed to feel bad for arvo? I never stole from him and tried to stick up for him yet he kept giving me bad looks the whole episode. It made no sense.
 
What was the deal with Ben sitting dead with a pistol in his hand? Just some random dream imagery?

Also, fuck Bonnie for saying that Clem isn't expected to do anything. Because we haven't spent a whole season with the adults letting it fall to Clem to do the heavy lifting.

Pretty sure he was asleep...

Btw was I supposed to feel bad for arvo? I never stole from him and tried to stick up for him yet he kept giving me bad looks the whole episode. It made no sense.

Not necessarily. Telltale gave the option to agree with Kenny's violence towards him. It works either way.

A result of bad character development on Telltales part for S2. People are siding with Kenny, emotionally, not logically and mistaking it for a moral choice.

No.
Quit assuming everyone else's moral compass functions exactly like yours. I belief personally what Jane did was wrong and that I don't want her to end up with Clementine. She's bad for Clementine's moral development and she's bad for the baby's upbringing. That is a personal viewpoint that exists entirely as a result of my own morals and intuition and not because of Kenny.
 
Wow I'm surprised by the amount of people siding with Kenny.

A result of bad character development on Telltales part for S2. People are siding with Kenny, emotionally, not logically and mistaking it for a moral choice. They didn't do a good job at blurring the lines really. Basically it was kill the irrational man you knew since S1 or let him kill the rational women them you just met then leave with/without them or kill them both.

If Telltale allowed people to actually bond with characters, it would of been a much more satisfying ending either way it goes. Only the Kenny ending has a satisfactory ending due to the emotional build players have with him due to him being a S1 relic.
 
Wtf, my choices didn't show up (PS3), so do I have to play this again then?

Anyways I wasn't that pleased with this episode until when Luke died I think.

I thought that was when it started to get interesting, didn't expect Bonnie and Mike to team up with ARVO to betray me...

The biggest thing was Jane provoking Kenny, and it backfired because he tried to kill her instead.

I ended up choosing Jane, I just felt that Kenny had gone too cray cray and I trust Jane now since she even came back to join the group.

I let the 3 people go into my building at the end, and now I regret it since he has a gun too. :(
 
Wow I'm surprised by the amount of people siding with Kenny.

Yeah. Give the guy an illogical sliver of hope (the boat, Wellington) and he turns into a monster, consequences be damned. He's not pragmatic enough to care for a baby during the apocalypse, let alone lead a band of survivors. It's telling that he spends half the episode groveling to Clementine for forgiveness after spending the last episode telling her that sorry isn't good enough. Ironically, tragic family man Kenny is more self-centered than loner Jane.
 
Yeah. Give the guy an illogical sliver of hope (the boat, Wellington) and he turns into a monster, consequences be damned. He's not pragmatic enough to care for a baby during the apocalypse, let alone lead a band of survivors. It's telling that he spends half the episode groveling to Clementine for forgiveness after spending the last episode telling her that sorry isn't good enough. Ironically, tragic family man Kenny is more self-centered than loner Jane.

Maybe he wasn't thinking straight because yet again, he had to see a loved one die. Maybe.
 
Jane really pissed me off with that stupid plan which I guessed the minute she said trust me. I was pissed that I had to kill Kenny but after he said you made the right choice I am at peace. Kenny lost everything In both seasons. It was just hard for him to keep control of his anger. I can understand his rage after he thought the baby was dead but that was his last lifeline on sanity. Clem can only do so much to calm him but he couldn't forget the past that easily and just move on. I think it's crazy for the people who could stand by him after he killed Lilly's father before he had the chance to turn, which caused Lilly to go crazy. His terrible decisions of reacting before thinking were like a ripple effect to the point where it almost got me killed (Arvo hating me and Kenny, the group leaving Kenny, people afraid of Kenny as just a few of the examples). Kenny had enough chances and its better knowing that it was okay to let him go.

Now Jane on the other hand, I wanted to hate her forever because keeping me from danger doesn't justify putting out Kenny's fault in the light. Jane cared for Clem and she felt that Kenny was a danger but staying angry at her wouldn't be the right decision for the next season. I cant wait to see how season 3 pans out after letting the family in.

Also steam achievements didn't work for me either :(

#RIPKENNY
 
A result of bad character development on Telltales part for S2. People are siding with Kenny, emotionally, not logically and mistaking it for a moral choice. They didn't do a good job at blurring the lines really. Basically it was kill the irrational man you knew since S1 or let him kill the rational women them you just met then leave with/without them or kill them both.

If Telltale allowed people to actually bond with characters, it would of been a much more satisfying ending either way it goes. Only the Kenny ending has a satisfactory ending due to the emotional build players have with him due to him being a S1 relic.
There was nothing rational about what Jane did. Like, zero. It was just her trying to pull Clementine to her side just because she doesn't trust Kenny. The most rational choice she could have done is to not leave the baby at some car and try not to pick a fight with a clearly unstable person
 
Yo man if you told me at the end of Season 1 that I'd have to kill Kenny at the end of Season 2 I'd be like "no way man that dude died already"
 
Maybe he wasn't thinking straight because yet again, he had to see a loved one die. Maybe.

And yet, before and after that, he keeps lashing out at Clementine and then meekly apologizing with the "we have to stick together" card. It's like an abusive cycle. To Kenny, disagreement is betrayal, and he has been that way since the first season. He needed to be put down.
 
I was thinking the episode wasn't so traumatizing until clem got shot. wish I could just shot arvo, mike, and bonnie. Also went with jane in the end and im regretting it.... it was a spur of the moment thing. :(


edit: and i totally forgot luke died.... oops
 
I was thinking the episode wasn't so traumatizing until clem got shot. wish I could just shot arvo, mike, and bonnie. Also went with jane in the end and im regretting it.... it was a spur of the moment thing. :(

I wanted to shoot all 3 of them but especially Arvo
 
I knew as soon as the ice beneath my feet started to crack that Luke was a goner. Fucking shame, because out of all the new characters he was probably the most likable one. And hell, it was his birthday just the day before. Just a terrible way to die.

Fuck Mike and Bonnie. The fact that they didn't even think Clem, Jane, and the baby just had my blood boiling.

That last choice. Oh, man. Had to go with my gut and protect Jane. They both made brash decisions, with Jane having a completely stupid plan and Kenny letting his anger push him over the edge. In the end, I had to save Jane.
 
I sided with Kenny because I had a soft spot for him because he was good friends with my Lee. I didn't particularly like any of the other characters except Luke who died because Bonnie tried to save him when I was covering him from the walkers. :

In the end, Kenny redeemed himself for me by leaving Clem and AJ in Wellington, it felt sincere.
 
And yet, before and after that, he keeps lashing out at Clementine and then meekly apologizing with the "we have to stick together" card. It's like an abusive cycle. To Kenny, disagreement is betrayal, and he has been that way since the first season. He needed to be put down.

Nah, I'd say he redeemed himself somewhat with his ending, being willing to let Clem and AJ stay safe in Wellington.
 
I wouldn't call Jane a safe choice, either. She's ditched Clementine before and she's clearly uncomfortable around other people, just a matter of time before she'd run off again.

In a world like that, if you start thinking about what people might do, you might as well just kill everybody.

No, it isn't about what people might do, it is what people are likely to do. No choice is a "safe choice", all have risks, just hers is less so. Considering she came back almost solely for, Clem and done no wrong to her exception of her ending deception, I wouldn't call her unstable. Considering she did come back, I would say, Clem's personality probably grew or will grow onto her.

Course he made more stupid decisions. Kenny was in a bad place. Surely a man who has lost as much as he has (even recently with Sarita) can be cut some slack. Jane is cold. She might be more of a level headed survivor, but it doesn't make her less of a dick. Game of choice, man. Boils down to :
1) cold, mean and level headed survivor.
2) Flawed and unstable Daddy.

I pick the second.

Flawed and unstable Daddy? lol

Jane is mean, not cold and just going off of what she experienced. All her decisions were logical (exception of the end), her choosing to leave Sarah is even logical.

Kenny needed time to heal, but that just wasn't there. At every point there was a crisis and Kenny himself wasn't making it any better. When you have an entire group as levelheaded as the one we were left with wanting to leave because of one guy, then you should ask yourself who may be in the wrong.

I would not go with a person who got 2-3 people killed because of their selfish and reckless behavior. Those weren't tragedies... those were blatantly recklessness.

Still struggling to understand how someone can think this. Have a man die thinking his new baby is dead just to show a kid he's unstable.
Kenny snapped on a ton of people but I stand by the belief he'd never hurt clem. Hell, even when Clem aims a gun at him, he encourages her calmly to 'do it.' The Kenny-Wellington ending shows this, I think. They care about each other.

After he came to, when he was done killing Jane. He knew he was in the wrong and wanted to be put out of his misery. That isn't a good thing, it is a bad thing. Not sure how you are using such a point lol. Like I repeated before, how would we know that he would never get to that point with Clem?

I said she was justified in her actions and was right about Kenny. I didn't say her plan was a good one. Her plan was for no one to die, it was for Clem to see truth and leave with the baby since she knew Kenny would never allow it.

Basically Clems position on Kenny borderlines Milton's position on The Governor and Bonnie's position on Carver. Sometimes the only way to snap people like that out of it, is to show them the cruel, harsh reality.
 
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