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You clearly don't know the meaning of the word "inspired". I can suggest a good dictionary and starting your studies back from third grade.
Back under your bridge Fuz.
You clearly don't know the meaning of the word "inspired". I can suggest a good dictionary and starting your studies back from third grade.
That episode was all cringe. Looked like felt like a scif-fi channel show from the nineties.Casting midgets as dwarves looks so cheap. LOTR did it right.
Are there any black people in the books? In the games? There is your answer. It's not that hard. Also, stop projecting your racism onto us for questioning forced diversity. That and your use of 'yall' gives you away. I'm pretty sure you are a SJW because they are the only people i see online using that word
Not just that but given it's based on folk lore from that area, there were zero black peopleBecause I'm NOT a sjw, I see shades and not just black and white. I understand the book and games were made in areas where black people and other minorities are far less common and far less integrated.
Because it's wildly disrespectful to the source material and to the country whose lore it was built upon that a group of liberal americans think they can go in and just change what ever doesn't fit with their narrative. These are the same people who would be rioting if they made Shaft white for example. It's almost always a one way street. Not that it would be ok to make Shaft white mind you. I'm against all types of race swapping, no matter which way it goes. Either respect the work or make your own original IP instead. Of course, these people are incapable of making compelling characters and stories on their ownThat's cool. The show however, was made in the US. Where the diversity isn't really just a topic of the month, it's a reality that execs, writers, and people live with. I fail to see the issue of having diversity in a show based on a book that is a far removed version of Europe from a different reality.
Yea, that's not how it works. We know there weren't black people in the country whose lore it's based on at the time and there is zero mention of anyone being black in the books. So the only logical conclusion is there are no black people in the Witcher. If you're going to claim otherwise, the burden of proof falls on you. Also, it's not just some extras. It's one of the main characters who has a very detailed established lookAnd frankly, please do tell book and page number where it contains anything even remotely resembling a declaration that no town, crowd, or area contains anything but whites. I'd love to educate myself.
Forced diversity is race swapping black people into roles that were written as white. I thought that much was clear from earlier posts but i guess notDefine forced diversity. Is it by executives, is by writers? Is anything based on any property that has even .01% more diversity forced? Is it forced diversity if they used whatever extras they got to make crowds look bigger and didn't have more signing up? Is it forced diversity if the author doesn't disagree or find any fault in the diversity? Feel free to elaborate in any way.
Anecdotal and completely irrelevant. Also, yes i absolutely communicate my feelings on this kind of subject outside of the internet. Not that it matters in in this contextAs far as me being racist goes, that's cute. I'm on the internet a lot, have a job that entails being around and talking to boat loads of people, and a decently sized circle of friends. I don't think I've ever met or seen a person caring about forced diversity unless the situation is just absurd. And as a matter of fact, I'm fairly certain you wouldn't share or communicate these feelings to anyone in real life.
Not just that but given it's based on folk lore from that area, there were zero black people
Because it's wildly disrespectful to the source material and to the country whose lore it was built upon that a group of liberal americans think they can go in and just change what ever doesn't fit with their narrative. These are the same people who would be rioting if they made Shaft white for example. It's almost always a one way street. Not that it would be ok to make Shaft white mind you. I'm against all types of race swapping, no matter which way it goes. Either respect the work or make your own original IP instead. Of course, these people are incapable of making compelling characters and stories on their own
Yea, that's not how it works. We know there weren't black people in the country whose lore it's based on at the time and there is zero mention of anyone being black in the books. So the only logical conclusion is there are no black people in the Witcher. If you're going to claim otherwise, the burden of proof falls on you. Also, it's not just some extras. It's one of the main characters who has a very detailed established look
Forced diversity is race swapping black people into roles that were written as white. I thought that much was clear from earlier posts but i guess not
Anecdotal and completely irrelevant. Also, yes i absolutely communicate my feelings on this kind of subject outside of the internet. Not that it matters in in this context
Here is my counter anecdotal evidence - SJW always project. They always accuse other people of what they are guilty of themselves. So when someone like you tries to shut down a very legitimate discussion by implying people who are against black washing are racist, it's because you are in fact racist yourself. That's how SJW work so if you're not one then i'd suggest you stop acting like one
Slightly over the top don’t you think. It’s part of the critique, because it stands out.
The use of ‘its racist’ is a shield for protecting woke ideology. I don’t have a racist bone in my body, but are rational. If I watch Hidden Dragon, Crouching Tiger, a fantasy set in ancient China, I don’t expect to see random Mexicans around the cast. The Witcher being set in mediaeval Europe should respect it’s setting for sakes of coherence.
Looking forward to Ghosts of Tsushima by Sony. If that game set in feudal Japan ends up having diverse characters without a rational plot explanation it will be diluted and come of as stupid. Will it get criticised for its lack of diversity or does the hate only apply when the heritage is white? Rhetorical question.
That's not what i said. Nice straw man though. Now try to address what was being saidSo a Netflix adaptation of a book that basis it's basic premise off of folklore has to be diversely correct to the area where that folklore originated? That statement doesn't sound the least bit silly to you?
I am? You could have fooled me. It's called discussing something. Getting offended would imply anger which would lead to emotional reactions such as labelling people racist in lack of actual arguments. Oh wait, that was you wasn't it?It's funny that one of the stereotypes of American liberals is getting offended for other people, yet here you are getting offended for other people.
Why? Not that they're hard to find but it's completely irrelevant. Stay on topic. You're flailingShow me people of that culture getting offended.
Previously relatively unknown author gets a shit ton of money has no issue with the source of his newfound wealth. I'm shocked!I know for a fact that author loves this adaptation. That's a pretty massive example to the contrary of what you are spewing.
If my point is weak why can't you argue against it? You're flailing all over the place with all kind of irrelevant nonsense. Smoke and mirrors. So not Shaft, Black Panther then. Now go ahead and try that one. The vast majority of main characters are still white? So what? All of them should be white because that's established loreFor your shaft example, A) Shafts premise is to literally be a black version of the mostly white movies that dominated at the time. I don't think witcher's premise is to be an all white version of already mostly white folklore B) Geralt and the vast majority of main and supporting characters are still white.. Your example is a mass exaggeration and helps show how weak your point.
Because i'm not racist and have integrity?You are against all race swapping? How does that even make sense?
How is that in any way comparable to changing a main character? I know you SJW take everything literally but please do try to understand the concept of context. It's importantSo if in an animated movie taking place in modern America, there was a crowd that happened to be all white, and they made a live action adaptation where some of the extras in that crowd were black, you are against that?
Of course i am. As for the hold true part, talk about blanket statements. Was there a point you forgot to put in there somewhere?You are against modernizing works to the far more diverse reality of today? Stop making blanket statements like this because you know you do not hold true to that in any way, shape or form.
CAPSLOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL! I've already addressed the writer. As for the rest - the Polish people don't give a fuck, i'm gonna need a citation on that one because you pulled that out of your ass. Same with the audience, which is also completely irrelevant in this context by the way. See? Context is importantYou also keep, and I mean KEEP talking about respect. They have the writer of the books on record saying this is the definitive adaptation for him. So if the writer finds it respectful, the Polish don't give a fuck, and the vast majority of audiences don't care, couldn't it be argued that by going against their perspective, you are the disrespectful one?
It's not? What are the people based on then? Do you know the origin of the monsters he fights? I think not because then you'd realise how utterly ignorant that statement isAgain, talking about a show based on a book, based on folklore. You are trying to make the fictional world the witcher a lot more connected to ours than it really is. It is not based in Europe, it is not based on our people, and it is not based on our Earth.
That's not how proof works skippy. You have to do better. You have to specifically find people described as black. If you can't do that, you're wrong. Spoiler - You're wrongThe burden of proof is on me? There is no where in the books that states all the humans in this world are white.
So your argument boils down to that because not every single person inhabiting the world has been described in detail it's ok to change a major character to be black rather than white? That's the dumbest thing i've read in months. Holy crapThere are also countless characters whose description does not directly disclose race. That is my proof.
Triss is not a main character in the lore? Ok then. It is kinda fun watching the mental gymnastics you're willing to go through to justify this nonsense. In a sad way thoughNow you. I can only guess you are talking about triss for which main character, triss appearing in the show for a grand total of roughly 10 minutes, hardly making her a main character.
Race swapping black people into lore that's clearly only white = force diversity. I'm not sure how much more i can simplifyWhat makes it forced, Considering the writer is on board with the show, and we have seen plenty of Netflix originals with a lack of what you consider forced, I'm trying to understand the forced part you keep referring to. Please elaborate. Race swapping black people into roles that were written as white is called.. race swapping. I'm trying to learn what exactly you define as forced difference.
>It's not really anecdotalIt's not really anecdotal. Outside a select few forums including this one, you would have to show me proof people care.
Citation neededPolish people don't seem to care
Argumentum ad populumAudience scores on the major sites suggests people don't care.
Already addressed. You do know that repeating nonsense wont make it magically become correct, right?The author doesn't care. Actually he loves the show. And the show is one of the most viewed of the year. So please, numbers on how many people actually care?
>I'm not a SJWSJWs always project.. Well considering I am literally not a sjw, I know that, that leaves one of us to project. You are desperately trying to accuse me of being something. You have no real proof aside from me not particularly caring about this one show race swapping. I called out a stupid comment in a stupid thread. You have a real, real problem with black actors being cast in this show taking place in a purely fictional world, casting which the author himself, and the origin culture don't mind. I see literally no other conclusion to draw from that than you being a racist. The exact people that have a definitive right to declarations on the overarching Witcher ip, are of the opposite opinion of you. So your argument can only boil down to you personally not liking seeing black people in the show where there could be more white people.
Huh, then who described how the people looked in the books? Did he not write those passages himself?Sapkowski revealed that although he wasn’t involved in the production of the Netflix series, he was paid “very well” to be a consultant and was always amazed by what he saw in the trailers and images from the set. Unlike some fans, Sapkowski doesn’t visualize any of the characters he’s created and, as a result, has no opinion on how the characters should appear on screen.
First of all, it's couldn't. You didn't write what you meant to write. Second, what the actual fuck did you write? It reads like something straight out of google translateAnd can I just say, as someone who could seriously care less about internet politics nowadays, I forget there are people that still really try to give the term sjw so much people.
>I totally don't careIn a life of so many different people and perspectives, grouping someone who ultimately just doesn't care about The Witcher Netflix show having slightly more diversity than the books under an umbrella term that contains people that think shit like America is evil, whites need to go, white culture is trash, is so immature and frankly, fucking stupid. Stop trying to force that word on me so hard as if I give a shit about some random dude on Neogaf thinking I'm a sjw. I'll have a discussion all day though I enjoy it. But that term just makes it so hard to take you seriously.
>The use of ‘its racist’ is a shield for protecting woke ideology.
This sentence alone is borderline pathetic and gives away so much about you. Woke ideology doesn't need protection. There are extremists pushing the term beyond realistic means and trying to do bad with it under the guise of being woke. However, being "woke" which essentially means caring about the problems of others and being more aware of the issues of the modern world, isn't a concept that needs protecting. Racism is racism, and in this thread the people that find issue with casting the author doesn't agree with, looking past the hilarious excuses you see sad racist children.
>If I watch Hidden Dragon, Crouching Tiger, a fantasy set in ancient China, I don’t expect to see random Mexicans around the cast. The Witcher being set in mediaeval Europe should respect it’s setting for sakes of coherence.
Witcher doesn't take place in Europe dumbass. It's a fictional world where humans got spit out in a random land.
>Looking forward to Ghosts of Tsushima by Sony. If that game set in feudal Japan ends up having diverse characters without a rational plot explanation it will be diluted and come of as stupid. Will it get criticised for its lack of diversity or does the hate only apply when the heritage is white? Rhetorical question.
Game takes place in a non fiction land during a non fiction event. Kind of different from the purely fictional world of the witcher, no?
I can see you’re very woke and caring for others, after all you just labeled me racist, called me a dumbass, and had a deranged rant all because I disagree.
For proving my point so eloquently I’d give you a medal, if you had a chest to pin it on.
Yup, totally not a SJW, guys. Totally here for an honest debate but i'll call you racist if you disagree with my fallacious argumentsI'm in a thread of people genuinely upset by diversity in a tv show based on a book based on folklore from Poland. These people don't care about the fact that neither the author nor the Polish agree with their distaste for the black casting. Therefore, the problem lies solely in the diversity. Bunch of closet racists coming up with elaborate reasons why they aren't that. If the author or a large number of Polish people came out and said they are against the casting, you all would have leg to stand on and I'd say not a word. But that's not the case, instead you are crying about black people in your ideal all white fictional word being wrong inside a pathetic echo chamber.
Yup, totally not a SJW, guys. Totally here for an honest debate but i'll call you racist if you disagree with my fallacious arguments
Honestly though, i'm glad you made this post because i was going to reply to your wall of nonsense but seeing how you keep labelling people racist tells me exactly who you are. You are, without a doubt, a SJW. You're not fooling anyone
Also, the Polish do care. Metacritic user score does not prove they don't as you seem to think. I'd explain what a non sequitur is but i'm afraid you wouldn't understand it anyway since the concept of appeal to popularity and authority is lost on you
>Oh no, someone disagrees with meSo to summarize:
You don't like diversity in the tv show adaptation of The Witcher because in the books there was none.
One of your major reasons for this was that it is disrespectful to the Polish people, whose folkflore the books are based on. When asked to show any significant amount of Polish people that feel this way, you haven't, because you cant. However, there are a couple examples to the contrary. Instead of finding any evidence to support your biggest claim, the disrespect, you just keep talking as if you speak for the entire Polish ethnicity and culture.
You insistently asked proof, and then when given the authors literal own thoughts, you waved it away because he got paid for his ip. There are 30 years between the first witcher book and the show. If he's just lying now, show me literally anything from his past 30 years living as the author of The Witcher to support you.
So again, you aren't racist, you are just far more passionate about keeping the world of the witcher all white than the creator and the people whose folklore was used. Not racist though.
Sadly, no HDR on pc afaiksemi-related question, do you know if W3 on pc has HDR or not?
thanks.
>Oh no, someone disagrees with me
>Quick - throw out straw men and racist labels
Sure Mr. Totally not a SJW
Looking forward to your next reply with lots of fallacies and reassurance that you totally don't care and you're totally not an alt-leftie
Nah man, we're well past that point. You'd first have to demonstrate the intellectual capacity to argue a point without using fallacies. Oh and without calling people racist constantlyYou aren't just disagreeing though bud. You are disagreeing with diversity in spite of the people it's supposedly disrespecting not being disrespected, and the author having no issue with it. You are making massive leaps in logic to come up with why your point is legit, while not backing up a single thing you've claimed. Show some citations there, some links. I'll wait
shit, i'm playing blood and wine and this dlc scream HDR from every orifice...Sadly, no HDR on pc afaik
Nah man, we're well past that point. You'd first have to demonstrate the intellectual capacity to argue a point without using fallacies. Oh and without calling people racist constantly
You repeating the same fallacy while trying to be clever is high level irony"Aw man I got called out on spouting baseless bullshit, have no sources, and have no real point to my argument if the author doesn't agree with me.. Bazinga! I'll just throw in a buzzword or two, pretend I'm upset he called me a racist even though I typed the letters sjw no less than 15 times, and act like I'm above responding!"
You repeating the same fallacy while trying to be clever is high level irony
It's like playing chess with a pigeon
You repeating the same fallacy while trying to be clever is high level irony
It's like playing chess with a pigeon
Who asked you? What makes you think i've actually been debating here? As for your take, good for you? I don't want to 'roll with it'. We've been doing that and it's only gotten worse over the years. So for you to suggest that indicates that you're either lying or incredibly ignorant of what's been happening in pop culture. My guess is you're a liar and i'm still wondering why you decided to jump in with your unwanted and really uninteresting take which by the way is just another ad hominem albeit longer winded than the other guy. Next time, just post 'you're racist' and be done with itI'm amused at this conceit that you're some grandmaster debater there Katsura. From what I can tell your entire repertoire consists of wall-o-text quote-a-thons of 'so you're saying' Cathy Newman level misinterpretations wherein eventually people just tune out because they have better things to do with their time.
I can't say I'm a big fan of diversity for the sake of it in TV series/films, but at the same time, if it was a necessary concession to get the show greenlit and made then fine, I can abide it, because I'd rather have a show than not. Ultimately though it is a fantasy series and it's not set in Medieval Europe and it's not tapping into Polish myths and Legends as if Geralt was the equivalent of a Finn Mac Cool in the Fenian cycle, versus using a few mythic monsters that pop up here and here and there. This notion of some inviolable sanctity having been shattered because there are a few actors in it with a tad more melatonin than you're comfortable with seeing on screen doesn't necessarily make you a racist but it certainly points toward a certain close-mindedness in terms of what you will watch as well as your inability to just suspend disbelief and roll with it.
No, it's not. You think you have made valid points but you have not. That's the thing - your 'points', and i'm using the term lightly here, are based on flawed logic and therefore not worth addressing. It's appeal to popularity, appeal to authority and ad hominem. So by all means, go on thinking you've won. That's where the chess with a pigeon part comes inIt's really is just a genius way to get out of actually sourcing anything you've said. Just keep saying fallacy.
Nope.it was a necessary concession
I wouldn't bother. He is just a slightly more eloquent version of the 'oh i'm totally not a SJW but...' guy. Notice how his reply to me was disguised as an actual argument yet boiled down to 'you're not racist but close minded and uncomfortable with black people on screen'? It's just a longer version of 'you're racist'. That's all they have - assumptions based on projectionsNope.
Who asked you? What makes you think i've actually been debating here? As for your take, good for you? I don't want to 'roll with it'. We've been doing that and it's only gotten worse over the years. So for you to suggest that indicates that you're either lying or incredibly ignorant of what's been happening in pop culture. My guess is you're a liar and i'm still wondering why you decided to jump in with your unwanted and really uninteresting take which by the way is just another ad hominem albeit longer winded than the other guy. Next time, just post 'you're racist' and be done with it
Nope.
Anyone who disagrees with me is a clearly SJW
So to summarize:
You don't like diversity in the tv show adaptation of The Witcher because in the books there was none.
One of your major reasons for this was that it is disrespectful to the Polish people, whose folkflore the books are based on. When asked to show any significant amount of Polish people that feel this way, you haven't, because you cant. However, there are a couple examples to the contrary. Instead of finding any evidence to support your biggest claim, the disrespect, you just keep talking as if you speak for the entire Polish ethnicity and culture.
You insistently asked proof, and then when given the authors literal own thoughts, you waved it away because he got paid for his ip. There are 30 years between the first witcher book and the show. If he's just lying now, show me literally anything from his past 30 years living as the author of The Witcher to support you.
So again, you aren't racist, you are just far more passionate about keeping the world of the witcher all white than the creator and the people whose folklore was used. Not racist though.
No, it's not. You think you have made valid points but you have not. That's the thing - your 'points', and i'm using the term lightly here, are based on flawed logic and therefore not worth addressing. It's appeal to popularity, appeal to authority and ad hominem. So by all means, go on thinking you've won. That's where the chess with a pigeon part comes in
You really do sound like a ResetEra poster.... Not being a fan of forced diversity does not make one racist.
Playing the race card to try and win an argument is incredibly lame.
You all keep using the term forced diversity and yet not a single person has explained what about a show taking place in a fictional world, made in a very diverse country, being somewhat diverse makes the diversity forced as opposed to natural. I didn't just play the race card and cherry picking just that part of my comments when I consistently asked for any proof whatsoever for anything he said, is a joke. A person fighting the inclusion of blacks in a fictional show that the author fully supports is racism. Explain to me otherwise.
I wouldn't bother. He is just a slightly more eloquent version of the 'oh i'm totally not a SJW but...' guy. Notice how his reply to me was disguised as an actual argument yet boiled down to 'you're not racist but close minded and uncomfortable with black people on screen'? It's just a longer version of 'you're racist'. That's all they have - assumptions based on projections
These characters were established and were NOT black. They're black in the show and the reasons are obvious - to avoid SJW backlash.
THAT'S forced diversity.
These characters were established and were NOT black. They're black in the show and the reasons are obvious - to avoid SJW backlash.
Sapkowski doesn't really get that into what is or isn't in the books, so that's a pretty bold statement too say the least there Vawn, especially given the show was made with his approval., If he doesn't think it's such a big deal to have POC in there why do you? I find it slightly ironic that for a series that deals a lot with racial prejudice when it comes to the treatment of Demi-humans in the books who are basically avatars for POC in the first place at there is so much knee jerk resistance to having some actual POC featured in the cast. I guess the Order of the Flaming Rose has to have its advocates though
I am asking an extremely simple question. What is making this situation leap from race swapping to forced diversity. I'm really asking about the "forced" part. Who forced it? Are you sure it's forced? Are you sure those actors just weren't their best options? Is it not natural for US made content to be more diverse than where the population is nearly all white? Is there a reason relating to story or otherwise that those races swaps are an issue, or are a detriment to the story and/or lore?