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The Wonderful 101 |OT| Diplomacy has failed
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Well, there are mixed reviews. But there has been enough feedback, at least for my taste, to show that most of the complaints come from user error or a simple lack of skill or appreciation. There's a video buy a guy name "saur" (?) linked in this thread multiple times that goes in depth with the drawing mechanic. This is no pick-up-and-play-game. You gotta invest in it. Play the demo, be aware that it'll be overwhelming. Take your time, try out moves. Hop into the Wonderful Missions where you can try out moves in the waiting hub without being bothered by enemies (you could even try out multiplayer gameplay).
Are you shitting me? Man I wouldn't have minded those requirements if it didn't want the hardest difficulty done, really would have enjoyed taking on the hardest mode (if it's the one which kamiya can't even beat) first hand with Bayo
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Well, if you can unlock Wonder-Kamiya before that, you can beat it with Kamiya, accomplishing his dream of beating Super-Hard mode!
eXistor
Member
Holy shit this game.
The term "you've barely scratched the surface" was made for this one. I've just played about 3 hours of which not one minute was the same, there is so much going on in terms of variety, it's insane. I've been sucking hard so far (playing on normal), but the game is very forgiving; you can just pick up where you died, it'll just look bad on your score card at the end.
Every enemy has a bunch of tells and you really have to watch and learn to make the most of every situation unless you want your ass handed to you. Controls have absolutely not been an issue so far, almost every mistake there was I feel was due to an error om my part. Maybe a few offscreen projectiles felt a bit cheap, but that's about it.
This is a deep game and it'll take work and skill to get the most out of it, but persevere and you'll love it, guaranteed.
I loved the demo and the game is not disappointing me so far, most reviews I've seen read like they just didn't invest any real time in it or maybe they just didn't want to play it to begin with, but they had to for their review. This game was made with love and care and if you share its vision I just don't see how you couldn't love it. Of course it's still early days; I may come up against some bumps in the road, but it's a smooth drive so far.
The term "you've barely scratched the surface" was made for this one. I've just played about 3 hours of which not one minute was the same, there is so much going on in terms of variety, it's insane. I've been sucking hard so far (playing on normal), but the game is very forgiving; you can just pick up where you died, it'll just look bad on your score card at the end.
Every enemy has a bunch of tells and you really have to watch and learn to make the most of every situation unless you want your ass handed to you. Controls have absolutely not been an issue so far, almost every mistake there was I feel was due to an error om my part. Maybe a few offscreen projectiles felt a bit cheap, but that's about it.
This is a deep game and it'll take work and skill to get the most out of it, but persevere and you'll love it, guaranteed.
I loved the demo and the game is not disappointing me so far, most reviews I've seen read like they just didn't invest any real time in it or maybe they just didn't want to play it to begin with, but they had to for their review. This game was made with love and care and if you share its vision I just don't see how you couldn't love it. Of course it's still early days; I may come up against some bumps in the road, but it's a smooth drive so far.
Hmmm, Wonder-Director doesn't have his own unique unite morph does he? Could have sworn they only said he has a unique character model, hit box or something along those lines that makes him stick out in the crowd
Just played for two hours. The game is great, I suck.
But now I have the feeling I am starting to suck less.
I have only progressed to mission 1-B, but have replayed 1-A a couple times. Buying the dodge ability on the second go really helped!
One thing I don't get yet: After evading the falling trucks with a shield (awesome!), how do I extinguish the fire to rescure the citizens?
But now I have the feeling I am starting to suck less.
I have only progressed to mission 1-B, but have replayed 1-A a couple times. Buying the dodge ability on the second go really helped!
One thing I don't get yet: After evading the falling trucks with a shield (awesome!), how do I extinguish the fire to rescure the citizens?
That the one where you can cut the chain with the sword morph?
that's probably it! thanks, will try.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
If you think the final boss fight in bayo was crazy... well get prepared to be blown away.
Dwight Schrute
Member
I want to love this game, but the demo convinced me it's too "confused" for me 
Am I getting old ?
Am I getting old ?
Yeah, THIS.
So after seeing so much posts of satisfied EuroGAF users, I gave the demo another spin, because I only tried it once and it was with the stylus the whole way.
Playing with the right stick feels SO much better, I always way switching my view to the gamepad when I was going the stylus way, right stick feels like the natural, more accurate and quicker way to do it.
AND because that's the only freaking way I have to play this damn game. >_<
Playing with the right stick feels SO much better, I always way switching my view to the gamepad when I was going the stylus way, right stick feels like the natural, more accurate and quicker way to do it.
Interceptor
Banned
Why would you use the stylus if you have a finger? My usage tends to be 80% analog (don´t forget to buy the speedliner) 20%touch screen (for bigger morphs or during cutscenes.)
papercan55
Member
just discovered something that's solved some of my problems with this games boss battles.
in battle, if someone's face flashes on the screen really quickly.
just get that persons weapon out, but don't attack.
I went through the first 3 mission bosses without realising.
i failed all of those situations.
it's made me less angry towards the game, i tried using that persons weapon but i was attacking not just standing there.
in battle, if someone's face flashes on the screen really quickly.
just get that persons weapon out, but don't attack.
I went through the first 3 mission bosses without realising.
i failed all of those situations.
it's made me less angry towards the game, i tried using that persons weapon but i was attacking not just standing there.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
It's in MENU below SAVE DATA. Then Bottlecap Collection and there is Secrets.
wait... what kind of menu is that? am I to dumb to find it or does it unlock after the first playtrough?
Btw. It's totally Bayo. One of the requirements to unlock her is to get an evade bonus 10 times. The achievement is called "Nice Try!"
15 Characters to unlock.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
101% Hard, huh
Doesn't have the same ring to as Non-Stop Infinite Climax, but...
Doesn't have the same ring to as Non-Stop Infinite Climax, but...
FlashbladeGAF
Member
I want to love this game, but the demo convinced me it's too "confused" for me
Am I getting old ?
No, your getting more stubborn
Just because you dont get it the first time doesnt mean you cant get it with a little more practice
Check out this awesome (yet short) tutorial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHbPXNJvVE
Well, to be fair, it was my first play with the stylus. Still, I prefer using the stick over losing focus for drawing something with my finger.
Snowden's Secret
Banned
Being stuck in the land of the dark ages, I'm playing the demo over and over. Yesterday was the first time everything "clicked" even though I'd played the demo a half dozen times prior.
The two things that really helped were playing off TV (playing on the small screen meant that everything happening was in a small field of view, helping my concentration) and "slowing down" my thought process. The game does it's best to pull your attention in a dozen different directions, and my natural instinct was to try and deal with it all at once rapid fire. Instead I found it better to focus on one or two immediate challenges and move down the priority list as needed.
The two things that really helped were playing off TV (playing on the small screen meant that everything happening was in a small field of view, helping my concentration) and "slowing down" my thought process. The game does it's best to pull your attention in a dozen different directions, and my natural instinct was to try and deal with it all at once rapid fire. Instead I found it better to focus on one or two immediate challenges and move down the priority list as needed.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Time still slows down on 101% Mode, so I was off-the-mark about that shit. Like Bayonetta's NSIC, it takes the Hard Mode enemy placement and seems to crank up their HP, damage, and lessen their idle time between attacks
kunonabi
Member
I've been going 100% with the touch screen but I use my left thumb instead of using my right hand. Never even entertained the idea of the stylus. It will be interesting to see if that changes with the full game.
The_Intruder
Member
I finish the game, for me this is the best platinum game ever made at now, I see why the budget and the developper team is above bayonetta... One more thing(in spoiler):
There is a lot starfox 64 Vibes, especially in Operation 9c, like the shooting phase to reaching the final boss's location(remind me area 6), like the brain the true form of the geathjerk's leader(like andross in starfox 64) , the escape of the mechanic planet(like the espace of venom after defeat andross), the first boss with two hands and one head (andross again)... Maybe it's just me, but i feel the next starfox by kamiya can become real.
Can you confirm how new game plus works? Is it the same as Bayo?
And yeah i agree that this game is amazing. Bayo is one of my favourite games of all time but i am starting to think i may like this game better
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
I'm disappointed they're using the old design.
Ha finally called one right over you son
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Stats and morphs carry over when you start on hard. Like Bayo. You'll need all the stuff anyway.
The_Intruder
Member
Yes like the bayonetta one(you can change the difficulty any time you want), one more thing again lol (in spoiler):
You can unlock tons of playable characters, but you need to do some things to get them, like the kid icarus accomplishement. I guess the last character (you have the silhouettes to represent them) is bayonetta, if i've read exactly, one of the condition is to finish the game in the hardest difficulty x_x lol.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
This is a Goomba, right?
Like I'm not the only one seeing it right? Then you got the Stomp/Junior Stomp/Master Stomp...
If I can play as a Goomba, GotY confirmed, sorry TLOU/GTAV
Like I'm not the only one seeing it right? Then you got the Stomp/Junior Stomp/Master Stomp...
If I can play as a Goomba, GotY confirmed, sorry TLOU/GTAV
Thanks for doing this, I ordered mine in blue.
I tried asking a friend in Japan to get me one, but he wants the Wind Waker shirt, so I was out of luck.
D
Deleted member 125677
Unconfirmed Member
How can you not love this guy????????????
I want that green tee, do they ship to EU?
I want that green tee, do they ship to EU?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I tell you what I prefer about this game compared to Bayonetta, is there's a Retry option in the pause menu. That's gonna make Platinums attempts a LOT less time consuming than the old "fuck, Grace and Glory tagged me *pause, go to title screen, wait for that to load, press start, go to continue game, wait for that to load, finally get back in game and run to the verse*" method
How can you not love this guy????????????
I want that green tee, do they ship to EU?
He reminds me of slimer from ghostbusters.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
You say that like that's the only method to get them though...
Not like the game was Rising where you get tagged by offscreen things you have no way of avoiding reliably
but yeah it'll make it easier for the people who just want to do it once for the unlocks I guess
Retry still takes a long ass time, though. Speaking of Bayonetta, is there something like the quick cutscene skip (Back + RT) from that game in here?
Also, how would I go about increasing my Combo score? I get plats and golds pretty consistently in Time and Damage but I end up with silver in Combo all the time.
My first hour on it, OMG so amazing! 0_o
It looks absolutely gorgeous Off TV on the GamePad. GORGEOUS.
And that music
Noob question, I have at least 20 choices to spend my money in Wonderful Mart, what's your recommendation?
Block, Dodge, Speed Liner, that one upgrade that lets you make your weapon bigger by holding A
And if you are like me and don't ever use the one-time items for health and such, try to amass 30 of each of the vegetables. You can mix them into a gold credit card which grants you a free unlock in the shop.
Samurai_Heart
Member
Still near the beginning? Unite Guts (Shield), Unite Spring (Dodge), Unite Rocket can help you reach some key items that's high up in areas (Hero's heart pieces and such).My first hour on it, OMG so amazing! 0_o
It looks absolutely gorgeous Off TV on the GamePad. GORGEOUS.
And that music
Noob question, I have at least 20 choices to spend my money in Wonderful Mart, what's your recommendation?
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I'd say Speed Charge is one of the most essential Custom Blocks. Effectively the VFX Turbo Charger from Viewtiful Joke, this game is all about meter management, it's important to have something that refills it as fast as possible.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Consecutive hits and actions yield points, such as unite morph chain combos, attacking stunned enemies, dodging attacks at the last second, blocking moves successfully with the jelly.(watch someone play on youtube and just watch the points bar and see what adds what. Like Bayonetta point values are accompanies by easy to read symbols so you know what gives what.)
While Unite Morphs and techniques raise the multiplier. Individual attacks seem to raise it more than consecutive chain hits with fist or sword. (I first thought using the same morph would yield diminishing returns, but Green's individual gun shots seem to consistently raise the multiplier a significant amount. It just doesn't yield very many points because they're all single shots or individual hits.)
So basically your goal for combo rank is to raise both as high as possible. This means you want to consecutively and consistently perform actions without getting hit to keep the points adding up while consistently changing unite morphs and using their techniques in combat to continue to raise the multiplier.
If you wait too long without taking an action or get hit, they'll both compound and add to score, so you want them to be as high as possible before that for the biggest bonuses
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Yeah, absolutely. Hero Counter is good as well if you get the timing down.
Edith: Press R or L in the bottlecap collection tap.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
Lukas id card got clover on it.