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MugiwaraCole

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What? I still like most of what came before. It's just nothings really done it for me since Civil War. I've just come down on them a bit since 2014 when I thought they could do no wrong.

Mostly pulling your leg, just trying to wrap my mind around hating Guardians 2 and not liking Homecoming, especially as a fan of the movies that preceded them.

Guess it happens, though.
 

Spinluck

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Nice try Evilore!

Lmfao
 

Bobo Dakes

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I can't imagine hating Guardians 2. It had so much heart.

They were endearing in the first one, but honestly a bunch of childish, unlikable assholes in the sequel sans Gamora. 2 hours of in fighting with that last second "oh, we're just like that with each other because we care". The cliche is fine, it didn't really earn it.

I'll sum my issues with Guardians real quick without turning this into a thread hijack.
After the first movie ended, you KNEW Peter's dad was likely a villain. They straight up give it to you. So why spend 2 hours waiting for that shoe to drop in the sequel, especially when nothing interesting is going on in the meantime. Also, was I supposed to be sad they killed the child trafficking mass murderer, I wasn't letting that shit go, that was a pile of fucking skulls, fuck you Yondu. The constant humor felt like an attempt to cover up the lack of a real story, which didn't help because most of those jokes weren't funny. I'll give them the opening credits, Peter saying "I'm gonna make some weird shit" and the Zune joke. That's literally it.


Getting back to Thor though, that clip was hilarious and all three characters were funny in that scene for three completely different reasons.
 

MugiwaraCole

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They were endearing in the first one, but honestly a bunch of childish, unlikable assholes in the sequel sans Gamora. 2 hours of in fighting with that last second "oh, we're just like that with each other because we care". The cliche is fine, it didn't really earn it.

I'll sum my issues with Guardians real quick without turning this into a thread hijack.
After the first movie ended, you KNEW Peter's dad was likely a villain. They straight up give it to you. So why spend 2 hours waiting for that shoe to drop in the sequel, especially when nothing interesting is going on in the meantime. Also, was I supposed to be sad they killed the child trafficking mass murderer, I wasn't letting that shit go, that was a pile of fucking skulls, fuck you Yondu. The constant humor felt like an attempt to cover up the lack of a real story, which didn't help because most of those jokes weren't funny. I'll give them the opening credits, Peter saying "I'm gonna make some weird shit" and the Zune joke. That's literally it.

Getting back to Thor though, that clip was hilarious and all three characters were funny in that scene for three completely different reasons.

At no point in Guardians 1 was it revealed Peter's dad was evil. Yondu saying "that guy was a jackass!" isn't a clear endorsement of that before you see the sequel. And while he wasn't a saint, Yondu stopped taking Ego his children once he realized he was killing them all.
 

Bleepey

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You're a curious one aren't you.
I know a few people who know and have worked with him and they say he's a real cunt behind closed doors. Not in a Weinstein or Polanski way or anything, just an unchecked ego and treating others with disrespect.



You heard it here first folks, Zack Snyder is the Macklemore of directors.

It's true though. BVS gave a pretty accurate depiction of how the media can be used to distort a narrative for one. CW has Captain America reminded that he brought down helicarriers on a city and when reminded of this pretty much says "yeah but fuck you"

Edit: With reghards to the deconstructionist nature and Tolkien as a comparison. Look at what GRRM said about Tolkien

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Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it's not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn't ask the question: What was Aragorn's tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren't gone – they're in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?

The war that Tolkien wrote about was a war for the fate of civilization and the future of humanity, and that's become the template. I'm not sure that it's a good template, though. The Tolkien model led generations of fantasy writers to produce these endless series of dark lords and their evil minions who are all very ugly and wear black clothes. But the vast majority of wars throughout history are not like that.

https://www.tolkiensociety.org/2014/04/grrm-asks-what-was-aragorns-tax-policy/

DCEU according to peopl in this thread take a more GRRM approach to cinematic universes. Marvel a more Tolkien. Marvel would have you believe only 74 people died in NYC (yeah right) that is depending on whether they can keep their story straight http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_New_York#cite_note-CACW-2
Meanwhile in the DCEU there is no BS that that many many people will die when these uper powered beings fight.

In the MCU, the Norse god of thunder exists and no one barely brings it up that the vikings got it right with religion, in the DCEU it's the day the world was introduced to the Superman

In the MCU Captain America is the best Superhero because when he is reminded of collateral damage he is directly responsible for that kills 1000s he shrugs the criticism off (don't tell me that falling spaceships that break open a dam aren't going to kill many many people ., Superman however is mopey or introspective/pensive if you're not a jackass at his actions where he is accused of causing like a dozen deaths tops indirectly. But i get it, a few deaths are a tragedy whilst 1000s are a statistic

But then again, comic book fan boys can be the worst when they tie themselves into knots to make logical shit not make sense. They can swear up and down the ending to Watchmen movie makes no sense after all "why would the world come together in defence of the US when many countries were attacked by hat is scene as a product of the US's actions, they'd tell the US to fuck off" if a common argument by Watchmen detractors. This is despite the fact the only time when article 5 was invoked, basically an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us, was due to an incredible unforeseen attack on NYC (9/11), where the guy who the US helped bring to prominence attacked the US. I didn't see much discussion of chickens coming home to roost then. I can also add that there is a word for putting pragmatism before ideology, it's called realpolitik and the world wold wanna get really pragmatic about a big, blue menace real quick regardless of it's the US's fault or not. I guess some people really wanna see giant alien squids.
 

MugiwaraCole

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It's true though. BVS gave a pretty accurate depiction of how the media can be used to distort a narrative for one. CW has Captain America reminded that he brought down helicarriers on a city and when reminded of this pretty much says "yeah but fuck you"

You are the actual worst.
 

GAMEPROFF

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Short reminder for everyone new, Bleepy is the guy who repeats since Batman Vs Superman in all seriousness the conspiracy theory, that Disney pays critics for good Marvel Reviews.
 

Bobo Dakes

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At no point in Guardians 1 was it revealed Peter's dad was evil. Yondu saying "that guy was a jackass!" isn't a clear endorsement of that before you see the sequel. And while he wasn't a saint, Yondu stopped taking Ego his children once he realized he was killing them all.

My point is

that was a LONG WAIT to what was kind of a given. The first movie's ancillary villain hinting that someone else is an even bigger asshole was kind of enough to go off of for me. Especially because that line seemed kind of forced in. And there wasn't enough going on Ego's planet to distract me from what seemed like a given so I was looking at Mantis the whole time going "are you going to say something?"

As far as Yondu "not knowing", you'd have to be playing ignorant after a while, "yeah, let me just pick up these children around the galaxy, nothing bad will come from this", not to mention you still broke your group's rule regardless.
 

MugiwaraCole

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My point is

that was a LONG WAIT to what was kind of a given. The first movie's ancillary villain hinting that someone else is an even bigger asshole was kind of enough to go off of for me. Especially because that line seemed kind of forced in. And there wasn't enough going on Ego's planet to distract me from what seemed like a given so I was looking at Mantis the whole time going "are you going to say something?"

As far as Yondu "not knowing", you'd have to be playing ignorant after a while, "yeah, let me just pick up these children around the galaxy, nothing bad will come from this", not to mention you still broke your group's rule regardless.

Yondu and every Guardian of the Galaxy and background character spends the entirety of the first movie calling everyone assholes. Were they all villains? No. Having your own suspicions about where they might take the story is one thing, but claiming the first movie flat out revealed Ego was a bad guy because someone offhandedly said he was a jackass is blatantly false. That isn't what happened.

Yondu breaking Ravager code is whatever and not a slight on his character. The Ravagers themselves are criminals, so they aren't some upstanding citizens against whom all morals are supposed to be measured. Yondu signed up to bring Ego HIS children. Not random children. His children. It is absolutely conceivable that he didn't realize he was murdering them. And once he realized he was, he stopped (which coincided with him keeping Peter).

Yondu's a dick, and a criminal, but he's not some completely corrupt, irredeemable character.
 

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The fact that the GotG are all (except Groot) essentially scum is one of my favorite parts of the franchise. And GotG2 pulls the curtain back on that by making the central theme parenthood and, in most cases, parental abuse. Everyone is fucked up as a result of abandonment, cruelty, or what have you in their formative years, and as adults they carry that load on their backs.

The movie is about being a bad person and trying to become a good person. And coming to terms with everyone else doing the same thing.
 

Bleepey

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You're a curious one aren't you.

GAMEPROFF

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Is that supposed to rebut my points? Those helicarriers crashed into dams, that is that they didn't fall into populated areas and in that very clip you posted it showed people about to drown.. I am not trolling I am literally pointing out shit in your very evidence you choose to ignore

You are saying that Cap is like, who cares.

He is not, just look at the video :)))
 

GAMEPROFF

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Ugh lol

Stop arguing with people who clearly aren't watching the movies and paying attention. It's not worth it.

I am not getting paid enough by Disney to deal with something like this. You are right.

Its fine Bleepy, I dont open the ignored post of yours when you post the next time. Dont waste time on me :)
 

MugiwaraCole

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The fact that the GotG are all (except Groot) essentially scum is one of my favorite parts of the franchise. And GotG2 pulls the curtain back on that by making the central theme parenthood and, in most cases, parental abuse. Everyone is fucked up as a result of abandonment, cruelty, or what have you in their formative years, and as adults they carry that load on their backs.

The movie is about being a bad person and trying to become a good person. And coming to terms with everyone else doing the same thing.

Pretty much. Everyone is a broken adult trying to be...something less broken. In that context, most everyone is supposed to seem somewhat redeemable in the series.

If anything, we had more reason to think Nebula was gonna turn out to be evil in the sequel than we did Peter's pops. The last time we see her, she murders someone by throwing them from a cockpit and flys off in a rage lmao. She's still fucked up, mind you, but I wouldn't label her as a villain anymore.

I'm actually interested to see how the Guardians try and raise Groot to act. He's still prone to murderous rampages as a baby, but only against space monsters and truly evil individuals.

And in that context, how are they all gonna react to meeting Thor floating lifelessly in space?
 

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How is this another Bleepey bitches about Civil War thread again? We need a community thread where he just rambles on about it all by himself.
 

Sygma

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Iron Man 3 is not a bad movie.



lol. And there's the bait.

I don't think having an opinion can be classified as bait. me, my brother and a Marvel obsessed friend genuinely disliked the movie because it didn't hit any significant note. Same with the other movies mentionned, bit of a boring assembly

Tbh Marvel did hit their high with Winter Soldier, and they re struggling to do as good since then.
 

Bleepey

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You're a curious one aren't you.
You are saying that Cap is like, who cares.

He is not, just look at the video :)))

Look at his response. "Safest hands are still our own". He dismisses criticism outright and doesn't even wanna explore working within the framework. Now let's compare similar scenes in BVS.

Must there be a Superman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RynVyFzcis

I can't find this scene on YT with him responding to it

How do we determine what's good?
In a democracy, good is a conversation
not a unilateral decision.
So, I urge Superman, to come to
this hearth of the people tomorrow.
To see those who have suffered.
The world needs to know
what happened in that desert.
And to know what he stands for.
How far will he take his power.
Does he act by our will,
or by his own.

Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice


edit 1: Oh you ignored me? It's s cool I can stand by my arguments even if you can't

Edit 2: Another thing i don't get. Cap's argument is that arguing for the Avengers to work under the purview of the UN is deflecting criticism. According to the film's logic the Avengers are being blamed for NY and the Winter Soldier. OK fine. Shifting the blame will shift shift accountability from the Avengers to elected officials. who can be held accountable? How is that a credible argument against the Sokovia accords? Criticims going from the unaccountable to those that can be held to account? Not a fan of democracy Captain America?Avengers get to work whilst being held to account and protected if anything unforseen happens. Motives change? Yeah cos that would never happen in the room full of people presently arguing.
 

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I can't imagine hating Guardians 2. It had so much heart.

I keep saying it but if Guardians 1 was Marvel's answer to Star Wars - a cinematic space opera of a ragtag group of misfits banding together to save the galaxy - then the second one was Marvel's answer to Star Trek - a sci-fi space drama about characters exploring the vast confines of space, finding unique worlds where they learn a little more about themselves in the process. It's a slower-paced movie than the first one and doesn't necessarily have as much "action", but it's an incredibly introspective movie that follows up on the dynamics and personalities of the previous cast gracefully. I loved how that movie continues to build more possibilities, cultures and worlds within it's own world. It's just a super pleasant, enjoyable movie, and I think the fact that it's the only Marvel movie to have made me cry at the end of it has to count for something.
 

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I'm glad they are going full comedy with Thor, Hemsworth is actually pretty hilarious as Thor and was always the one great thing about the Thor movies. I'm glad people are saying it's it's own thing compared to Guardians of the Galaxy because as awesome as the last trailer was it also really looked similar to GotG.
 

Fancyarcher

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Is that the score in the above trailers? If so.. finally, a non generic sounding MCU score.

It's hardly the first non-generic sounding MCU score actually, just a bit different. Superhero music can't have consistent "great sounding" music, and that includes Marvel and DC.