Revolutionary
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It kinda felt like Ghostbusters 2016 in that regard. Trying way too hard to be funny with ad libs. However, unlike GB2016, it actually has characters worth a damn so it worked to a degree.
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It kinda felt like Ghostbusters 2016 in that regard. Trying way too hard to be funny with ad libs. However, unlike GB2016, it actually has characters worth a damn so it worked to a degree.
Bigby_Wolf
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I'm downright fearful of the amount of jokes they feel are necessary to keep audiences interested. Seems like they're becoming parodies of themselves.
I found myself unable to feel any fear for any of our heroes because everything was so whacky how could anything truly bad actually happen? It couldn't and it didn't.
IndoAssassin
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The background was actually New York but they decided to change it last minute during post production.
Yes, and that's what makes it distracting from a plausibility standpoint.
You're either being quaint or delusional if you think this notion isn't still prevalent in a some sublimated form today. You really think David Duke and his ilk don't identify with this notion?
Mister Apoc
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I didnt say it was but Im saying the original conception has nothing to do with modern concepts of race
They don't show it... but considering the mid-credit scene, we can all assume he did. Thanos making an appearance for a reason.
ProtomanNeo
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I continue to find the rehabilitation of Loki a bit odd. Seeing his exchange with Thor about whether he would be welcome on earth which was played as kind of lighthearted seemed a little...off, considering he's responsible for death of hundreds there. It's too bad they didn't know where they were going with him and wrote it so that he opened a kind of Pandora's box that he could not control by making a deal with the Chitauri. Instead of him being all in.
Not seeing Hela perish gave me a pause. These Marvel films aren't usually ones for ambiguity. Although she drew her strength from Asgard it seems as though she could still be alive and in a weakened state. I wonder if it's possible Marvel has kept her under wraps and she could appear by Thanos' side in Infinity War.
Not seeing Hela perish gave me a pause. These Marvel films aren't usually ones for ambiguity. Although she drew her strength from Asgard it seems as though she could still be alive and in a weakened state. I wonder if it's possible Marvel has kept her under wraps and she could appear by Thanos' side in Infinity War.
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What?
If you agree that the "original conception" is still a relevant strain of some ethos regarding race, then it's still relevant to modern concepts of race.
Hopefully the topic isn't derailed.
IndoAssassin
Banned
In Hollywood movies the token black guy always dies. This time the token black guy won.
Mister Apoc
Demigod of Troll Threads
the original conception was developed in the middle ages where there was no concept of a white race or whiteness, i don't understand why your having trouble understanding that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-and-white_dualism
There was no formal definition of race at the time, but whites of the Middle Ages still discriminated based on skin color and religious beliefs, which set the foundations for all-types of otherizing mechanisms that would develop into race as a fluid social construct and give us such historical beauties as the Spanish Inquisition and the Atlantic Slave trade.
Having darker skin was considered sinful. Ever heard of the curse of Ham/Canaan? Early depictions of Satan describe him as being dark-skinned.
The expulsion of Moors from the Iberian Penisula and Jews from Spain started as a result of mere geographic conquest but fully developed into racial discrimination after religious persecution. Lack of fealty to Christianity made you "impure" and the dichotomy grew even broader from there.
So, yeah, technically you're correct that it wasn't the original intention behind the conception, but that's just you being a Technical Genius on the matter. "Genius" being utilized with a strong sense of irony here. You're being pedantic and completely missing the meaning behind words. That, or you're one of those "Dark Enlightenment" advocates, in which case, let me get my ignore list ready.
The light/dark dichotomy in Christianity has been more than a mere metaphorical staple, but an otherizing tool since pretty much the very beginning and the two co-evolved over the centuries.
Mister Apoc
Demigod of Troll Threads
yes xenophobia has been a natural human element since the dawn of civilization, but that is completely different then modern "scientific racism" that rose during the time of Social Darwinism and Eugenics in the 19th century.
I don't know what Thor is thinking, bringing a bunch of superpowered immigrants to Earth.
The Governments of Earth is not going to be very happy about that.
Maybe Doctor Strange can restore their home or something.
Speaking of which, Strange's appearance was utterly wasted. They could have just skipped the five minutes and just showed up exactly where Odin was.
The Governments of Earth is not going to be very happy about that.
Maybe Doctor Strange can restore their home or something.
Speaking of which, Strange's appearance was utterly wasted. They could have just skipped the five minutes and just showed up exactly where Odin was.
I think Hela is still around. remember she gets her power from the same place Thor does, Asgard. Odin made it clear they both get their power from there. And as was said, Asgard isn't a place but a people. So I imagine as long as the people are around, Hela remains in power.
I also think the mid credit scene will lead ot Thor confronting Thanos and telling Loki/Hulk/Valkyrie to get the ship to Earth. Him being found in space by the guardians will be the first "holy shit who did this must be powerful" moment.
The movie was okay. I liked it better than the other Thor movies but that is a low bar. Most of the jokes didn't even make me smile and I feel like the trailers spoiled most of the movie.
The movie trying to be a comedy feels like the natural direction for most Marvel movies to go in from now on. Its not what I want from these movies but meh.
Edit: Hela is one of the better villains in MCU so it would nice if she was still alive.
The movie trying to be a comedy feels like the natural direction for most Marvel movies to go in from now on. Its not what I want from these movies but meh.
Edit: Hela is one of the better villains in MCU so it would nice if she was still alive.
matt360
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Your last line got me thinking, how would Thor or Hulk have fared against Ronan the Accusor according to MCU power levels? A walk in the park?
DonMigs85
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Hard to say, Hulk couldn't even kill Fenris
Robot Pants
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This movie was such garbage.
Love Cate Blanchet though, but even she couldnt save this
Love Cate Blanchet though, but even she couldnt save this
BlackBanditSho
Member
I suspect that hela/Blanchett will be back for IW.
Thanos is literally in love with the personification of Death in the comics.
They're not going to introduce that character into the MCU.
I wouldn't be surprised if they replaced Death for Hela as she's claims to be that role anyway.
A Hela/Thanos team up is appropriately epic enough to bring heroes from everywhere together.
Thanos is literally in love with the personification of Death in the comics.
They're not going to introduce that character into the MCU.
I wouldn't be surprised if they replaced Death for Hela as she's claims to be that role anyway.
A Hela/Thanos team up is appropriately epic enough to bring heroes from everywhere together.
Devenport
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It wasn't so bad to me...
I thought it was the the cyberpunk/raypunk parts of GotG, with Thor as lead with a electro 80s soundtrack. With Cate Blanchett being the best part of it all.
The jokes were too much and too samey (with other Marvel movies jokes and also inside this movie) that all seriousness was lost. Kinda like how GotG2 lost its serious moments with the sex jokes and Pac-Man.
IMO Planet Hulk part was great but then the jokes kinda made Hulk a kid and Grandmaster was just trying too hard, he just seemed like an extravagant human, or like Tony Stark actually.
Remember Fenris is a mystical wolf who supposedly kills odin in True Ragnarok. In the movie Fenris is so powerful that each footstep damages the rainbow road. A road which took several hits from Thors hammer to shatter it.
As for Ronan? Eh I think Thor could kill him. Hulk...? Im not sure.
Teren_Kanan
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Absolutely loved this movie.
Might as well have been a straight comedy. Was laughing the whole way through.
Really liked the Hela, wish they had done more with her. I see the point of people who think the humor ruined some of the stakes, but they just did such a good job with the humor that I didn't mind it at all. Hela was a bad ass and her look was amazing.
Jeff Goldbloom was hilarious, everything about that planet was hilarious.
They ramped Thors power up quite a bit, hope it speaks to how powerful Thanos is going to be. That being said, Hela was still handing him his ass. Surtur then basically 1 shots her into the dirt. Feel like Surtur being that powerful needs to be accounted for in the MCU at this point. He's basically a planet killer.
Might as well have been a straight comedy. Was laughing the whole way through.
Really liked the Hela, wish they had done more with her. I see the point of people who think the humor ruined some of the stakes, but they just did such a good job with the humor that I didn't mind it at all. Hela was a bad ass and her look was amazing.
Jeff Goldbloom was hilarious, everything about that planet was hilarious.
They ramped Thors power up quite a bit, hope it speaks to how powerful Thanos is going to be. That being said, Hela was still handing him his ass. Surtur then basically 1 shots her into the dirt. Feel like Surtur being that powerful needs to be accounted for in the MCU at this point. He's basically a planet killer.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Death in love with Deadpool?
Love triangle. She loves 💀 💩 L, he can't die. Thanos loves death, offers many deaths to her.
Saw this last night and it must be my favorite superhero film to date and everything came together beyond my expectations. It can be difficult to film a plot about characters that are nigh unkillable, or are known to have ultimate plot armour due to the presence of future ensemble films, but did they ever do it well. From Jeff Goldblum's Grandmaster to Korg to Hela.
Most Marvel villains have a forgettable presence but Cate Blanchett really hit it out of the park with Hela. Looks like everyone had fun filming this and putting it together and it really shows. Thor as a franchise has really evolved since the first film from being a set-up for The Avengers into something special in its own right.
Most Marvel villains have a forgettable presence but Cate Blanchett really hit it out of the park with Hela. Looks like everyone had fun filming this and putting it together and it really shows. Thor as a franchise has really evolved since the first film from being a set-up for The Avengers into something special in its own right.
DAVIDHUXLEY
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dragonyeuw
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Just came from a second viewing last night with my wife and 18 year old son( him actually wanting to be out in public with his parents was an accomplishment on its own lol), and he said it's his favorite Marvel movie to date. I definitely noticed this time around, how the film slightly drags when it focuses on the Hela/Asgard plotline. Like, cut away from that shit ASAP so I can get back to the junk planet stuff, which was so oddball and cool. I mean, I liked Cate Blanchett in that role( I like her in everything more or less), but that part of the story is pretty throwaway for me personally.
matt360
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Saw it on Saturday and I really loved it. It's still sitting pretty heavy with me three days later. I think all of the comedy stuff was necessary considering the sheer amount of shit that Thor went through in this film. If the movie had taken any other tone than the one it did, it would've been too much of a kick in the balls.
Some questions and minor gripes:
-Where was Sif?
-The Warriors Three deserved better.
-How did Strange get so powerful in such a short amount of time? He made Loki look like a chump. He seems to be a little OP in that he should be able to do that same trick to basically any threat that comes to earth.
-Melty Stick > Infinity Gauntlet with Infinity Stones? Would that stick work on Thanos?
That's about all. Everything else was amazing. Almost all of the jokes landed for me. Days later I'm still cracking up at stuff like, "Piss off ghost." and thinking of Banner splatting onto the Bifrost. But at the same time, all of the stuff that Thor lost in the movie is still sitting pretty heavy. It's a very weird juxtaposition, but it really, really worked. Can't wait to see it again.
Some questions and minor gripes:
-Where was Sif?
-The Warriors Three deserved better.
-How did Strange get so powerful in such a short amount of time? He made Loki look like a chump. He seems to be a little OP in that he should be able to do that same trick to basically any threat that comes to earth.
-Melty Stick > Infinity Gauntlet with Infinity Stones? Would that stick work on Thanos?
That's about all. Everything else was amazing. Almost all of the jokes landed for me. Days later I'm still cracking up at stuff like, "Piss off ghost." and thinking of Banner splatting onto the Bifrost. But at the same time, all of the stuff that Thor lost in the movie is still sitting pretty heavy. It's a very weird juxtaposition, but it really, really worked. Can't wait to see it again.
I was wondering this too, the acrtess was busy with a TV Show so they couldn't find a time for her to do her scenes and then get back to New York. Feige said that it was a good thing she was not in Asgard because it means she is still alive, somewhere.
