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[DanielsM]

Fair enough, but that doesn't stop the train.

No sure what you mean, I think you they'll lose a good portion of their existing console user base.... not that I have an answer for them to improve the situation. I was willing to make a good bet they would be under 5m units if MS announced new Xbox at E3 for late 2020, with this, I don't know if they make it to 4m units. (used Xboxes are going to be flooding the market if true, I would imagine)

 

[DanielsM]

Not sure why developers would target Xbox Two going forward, just release in win32 to Stream, Origin, etc. Target Xbox One until that is no longer viable.

 

[hivsteak]

Maybe Microsoft will license Dell, HP, Lenovo, ASUS, Acer, and Clevo to make Xbox Certified Hardware.

The Xbox Certified PCs will run regular Windows 10 with an updated Xbox app allowing them to play native Xbox One titles as well as things like Steam, Origin, uPlay, and GOG.

I don't think that is going to happen. Toying with the idea though, maybe a few authorized vendors would sell overclocked and customized versions of microsoft's next gen console.

Software and tools couldn't support that back then but middleware and windows itself has changed a lot making this a much more reliable possibility

It could have. Nothing but red tape and purposeful or arbitrary design decisions to prevent it.

 

[ResilientBanana]

No sure what you mean, I think you they'll lose a good portion of their existing console user base.... not that I have an answer for them to improve the situation. I was willing to make a good bet they would be under 5m units if MS announced new Xbox at E3 for late 2020, with this, I don't know if they make it to 4m units. (used Xboxes are going to be flooding the market if true, I would imagine)

Most people that game on console don't always game on PC. So it would make no difference to them. I think you're missing the point. They're not interseted in console sales as much as they are interested in there service subscriptions and various other ways to make money through gaming. They could care less about the $20 they made on the console if you pay for Xbox Live, Gamepass, and xCloud. The console is just a gateway to that.

 

[DanielsM]

Most people that game on console don't always game on PC. So it would make no difference to them. I think you're missing the point. They're not interseted in console sales as much as they are interested in there service subscriptions and various other ways to make money through gaming. They could care less about the $20 they made on the console if you pay for Xbox Live, Gamepass, and xCloud. The console is just a gateway to that.

Oh I get that, I've been saying for 4 years they would rather you download your games and play on your PC. This gives very little incentive to quite a few users not to buy the next one, and dump the Xbox One while they can get money for it. I said the other day that, if MS announced a Xbox Two at E3 for a LATE 2020 launch, I would take the under of 5m units in sales this year, with this, if true, and they officially announce it. I'm not sure what the incentive is for some of the major developers to target Xbox Two (if that part is true). I was expecting them to kill the hardware a different way, announce the cloud services first, we'll see. When I say kill, I mean basically kill, I would not be surprised by a Xbox Two.

Since it hasn't announced, maybe we will wait and see, not really surprised this has been talked about for years.

 

[Mr Nash]

Put Otogi on this ASAP.

 

[The Wise Old Man]

https://www.thurrott.com/xbox/200140/microsofts-evolving-gaming-strategy-takes-a-giant-step-forward

Earlier this year, Microsoft made a peculiar announcement on the Windows Insider blog related to gaming. With build 18334, Microsoft said they were bringing new technology to Windows 10 and were offering up State of Decay for free to try but that's all the information that they provided.

When you download State of Decay, the oddities begin immediately. Instead of downloading from the Microsoft Store server, serverdl.microsoft.com, where all content comes from including PlayAnywhere titles, the game downloads from assets1.xboxlive.com.

What it looks like Microsoft is doing, instead of porting each Xbox feature back to the PC one by one, they are simply dumping the entire Xbox one installation/servicing plumbing and making it the primary installation for Windows.

When you extract the installer from the Store after downloading, you will discover that it is using the .xvc file format. While that may not sound familiar, Microsoft introduced this format around 2013 specifically for Xbox One games. Further, you can now install this file format using PowerShell in 19H1; I never thought I would write the words "PowerShell can now install Xbox One games" but here we are.

When you install State of Decay, you get a legacy DX installation setup prompt that does a classic, non-sandboxed, and non-store based installation of DirectX dependencies to your system directory. You can see what this looks like in the screenshot at the top of the post.

For a few months, I had been hearing that Microsoft was working to bring Xbox and the Microsoft store experience closer together. This appears to be part of the GameCore strategy that is designed to make it significantly easier to bring Xbox games to the PC. Granted, the challenges today of building a PC and Xbox game using the same assets is significantly easier than the last generation but Microsoft wants to make it a streamlined process for maximum value for developers to support both platforms.

After all, as consoles have evolved, they are more like PCs than stand-alone unique pieces of hardware. By doing this, it makes it easier for developers to build one game for both PC and Xbox which is a huge win for Microsoft on both the console and PC gaming fronts.

There is also a new Gaming Service app, Microsoft.GamingServices app, that installs two drivers; xvdd.sys = XVD Disk Driver (Microsoft Gaming Filesystem Driver) gameflt.sys = Gaming Filter (Microsoft Gaming Install Filter Driver). As WalkingCat notes, xsapi.dll = Durango Storage API, XCrdApi.dll = Durango XCRDAPI, both of these references can be found in the files: Durango was the codename for Xbox One.

While it certainly looks like developers will be able to use a single binary package to target and Xbox and PC, I believe the larger ambition is to make the gaming experience the same on both PC and Xbox.

This is all fine and dandy but I own a Mac so I guess I'm fucked. Oh well.

 

[bitbydeath]

Will be interesting how this sits with the likes of Rockstar who hold off on PC ports such as RDR2.

 

[DanielsM]

Will be interesting how this sits with the likes of Rockstar who hold off on PC ports such as RDR2.

I'm trying to figure out why most developers/publishers wouldn't ditch the platform right now (and especially as it pertains to Xbox Two), unless they are already aligned with Microsoft with Store releases. What is going to be different between a Pc and a Xbox Two release, probably nothing, if I were to guess.

At what point does a console stop being a console?

 

[Later Alligator]

This is all fine and dandy but I own a Mac so I guess I'm fucked. Oh well.

it's gaming related, even if they made it for mac you'd be fucked

 

[DanielsM]

it's gaming related, even if they made it for mac you'd be fucked

I was thinking of Don Mattrick saying about no internet and Xbox 360 when I read his comments.
https://www.azquotes.com/picture-qu...orm-of-connectivity-don-mattrick-90-31-80.jpg

I think what Don would say today is, "we have a product for people without a PC, its called game streaming (xCloud)".

 

[Lort]

This is the move i predicted a while back .. xbox can run windows apps and windows pcs can run xbox games.

Sony know this is coming hence why are moving to be a software first company.

Consoles are after all just slightly customised AMD hardware with a fast bus ..

 

[Lort]

For those of you who would like to think this is the end of xbox hardware, i see why a narrow short sighted view might think that. You have to look at the broader picture .. Microsofts competitors are Amazon Google and Apple .. ( all much bigger than Sony ).. all make their own hardware and software to provide an optimial integrated experience ( that comes at a premium price).

The xbox and Surface are key products MS can use to deliver quality and brand direct to their customer.. just like Google there will be other products ( like cheap android devices) that use the same software stack and compete in the same market against the native device.

 

[Gamezone]

Will be interesting how this sits with the likes of Rockstar who hold off on PC ports such as RDR2.

My guess is that MS doesn't force anyone. Rockstar is pretty much the only company who's delaying their PC releases, so it won't much that much difference.

 

[Gamezone]

They didn't announce anything, these are rumors. The whole point of making games widely available, cross play compatible, and cross buy compatible is to create a healthy install base. Like I said console companies are not in the business of making consoles. They are in the business of selling games. It doesn't matter if X company sells Y amount of consoles, if my games outsold yours 10:1. So much profit is to be had If you sell the games.

In the end, I might buy an Xbox, but if I find that my PC can run the Xbox games, then I will buy those games on PC. Microsoft does not care, I bought into their ecosystem and if the ecosystem I bought into makes them money, then they win. If you buy there console, they win. If you play Xbox on switch, they win. and so on.

This.

Microsoft don't care how many consoles they sell. Their money is in the software. Losing money on console hardware isn't even unusual.

Their goal (just like Sony with PS Now) is to offer their games everywhere trough xCloud, no matter where you play. Their just making their "xCloud" on PC more premium.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

For those of you who would like to think this is the end of xbox hardware, i see why a narrow short sighted view might think that. You have to look at the broader picture .. Microsofts competitors are Amazon Google and Apple .. ( all much bigger than Sony ).. all make their own hardware and software to provide an optimial integrated experience ( that comes at a premium price).

The xbox and Surface are key products MS can use to deliver quality and brand direct to their customer.. just like Google there will be other products ( like cheap android devices) that use the same software stack and compete in the same market against the native device.

But people like myself have a beefy gaming PC and an Xbox One X. If come next gen I can play all my Xbox titles on a nice PC why would I ever buy anymore Xbox hardware?

Plus how is this going to affect the player base in multiplayer?

Are they going to limit what my gaming PC can do if I play against console players?

So many questions that may have been answered in the video which I still havent been able to watch.

 

[DanielsM]

For those of you who would like to think this is the end of xbox hardware, i see why a narrow short sighted view might think that. You have to look at the broader picture .. Microsofts competitors are Amazon Google and Apple .. ( all much bigger than Sony ).. all make their own hardware and software to provide an optimial integrated experience ( that comes at a premium price).

The xbox and Surface are key products MS can use to deliver quality and brand direct to their customer.. just like Google there will be other products ( like cheap android devices) that use the same software stack and compete in the same market against the native device.

I've been telling friends and family to not only walk away from Microsoft consumer products but to run for about 5-7 years, generally its over. Just in the last 5 years since Nadella has taken over he has basically gutted the MS product devices and the consumer side of their services, generally speaking:

- Windows Phone (end of support 2019)
- Microsoft Kinect (R.I.P. 2017)
- Games for Windows Live (R.I.P. 2014)
- Microsoft Band (R.I.P. 2016) They killed this one like a week before the release of v3.0, probably threw them in to a trash crusher.
- Groove Music/Xbox Music (R.I.P. 2017)
- Xbox Entertainment Studios - TV/Movie Production (R.I.P. 2014)
- Games (Phantom Dust reboot, Fable Legends, Scalebound, Project Spark (heck this one was released), Knoxville,)
- Game Studios (Lionhead, Press Play, Function Studios, Good Science, LXP, and SOTA)

I really wish you the best of luck, we've all seen this, very little left to cut. For the record, I do not believe Xbox is going away but it will eventually be all cloud based either game streaming or virtualized xbox like a virtuallized windows desktop andor combination. That's the future they want, I don't think its going to work out for them, but let's be honest they've basically abandoned the purely consumer market long ago.

Running out of products for Nadella to cut, the rest will transition to the cloud. Nadella let Windows Phone customer and developers die a very slow death even after Microsoft spent 10s of billions. If I were to guess, Cortana voice assistant is next, they are already trying to cut it out from Windows.

 

[The Wise Old Man]

But people like myself have a beefy gaming PC and an Xbox One X. If come next gen I can play all my Xbox titles on a nice PC why would I ever buy anymore Xbox hardware?.

You're still in the minority I believe. Most of Microsoft's target consumer base isn't the "gaming whale" who owns multiple platforms and high end PCs. They're still going to try and sell a console (even if it's just a streaming box) to more average families who don't own high end rigs. The casual gaming community doesn't want to worry about updating PC gaming hardware (video cards, SSD memory, etc) every few years. Crossplay on the PC is a gesture of goodwill from Microsoft to the fans. It's not their long term goal or strategy. Most gamers would prefer to game on a 4K tv while playing on a couch I'm surround sons rather than in front of a pc monitor. Yes, I know this can be done with a pc, but the community largely isn't doing that.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I've been telling friends and family to not only walk away from Microsoft consumer products but to run for about 5-7 years, generally its over. Just in the last 5 years since Nadella has taken over he has basically gutted the MS product devices and the consumer side of their services, generally speaking:

- Windows Phone (end of support 2019)
- Microsoft Kinect (R.I.P. 2017)
- Games for Windows Live (R.I.P. 2014)
- Microsoft Band (R.I.P. 2016) They killed this one like a week before the release of v3.0, probably threw them in to a trash crusher.
- Groove Music/Xbox Music (R.I.P. 2017)
- Xbox Entertainment Studios - TV/Movie Production (R.I.P. 2014)
- Games (Phantom Dust reboot, Fable Legends, Scalebound, Project Spark (heck this one was released), Knoxville,)
- Game Studios (Lionhead, Press Play, Function Studios, Good Science, LXP, and SOTA)

I really wish you the best of luck, we've all seen this, very little left to cut. For the record, I do not believe Xbox is going away but it will eventually be all cloud based either game streaming or virtualized xbox like a virtuallized windows desktop andor combination. That's the future they want, I don't think its going to work out for them, but let's be honest they've basically abandoned the purely consumer market long ago.

Running out of products for Nadella to cut, the rest will transition to the cloud. Nadella let Windows Phone customer and developers die a very slow death even after Microsoft spent 10s of billions. If I were to guess, Cortana voice assistant is next, they are already trying to cut it out from Windows.

That's the difference between Sony and MS. Sony sticks to money losing segments forever. MS will cut the cord if it's not doing well. If Sony wasn't so stubborn, they'd be a lot more successful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony

In February 2014, Sony announced the sale of its Vaio PC division to a new corporation owned by investment fund Japan Industrial Partners and spinning its TV division into its own corporation as to make it more nimble to turn the unit around from past losses totaling $7.8 billion over a decade.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

You're still in the minority I believe. Most of Microsoft's target consumer base isn't the "gaming whale" who owns multiple platforms and high end PCs. They're still going to try and sell a console (even if it's just a streaming box) to more average families who don't own high end rigs. The casual gaming community doesn't want to worry about updating PC gaming hardware (video cards, SSD memory, etc) every few years. Crossplay on the PC is a gesture of goodwill from Microsoft to the fans. It's not their long term goal or strategy. Most gamers would prefer to game on a 4K tv while playing on a couch I'm surround sons rather than in front of a pc monitor. Yes, I know this can be done with a pc, but the community largely isn't doing that.

I very well could be in the minority but also know a lot of gamers who have all three consoles and a decent gaming PC.

Even my adult son texted to me today with this video and asked what his incentive is to buy Xbox hardware moving forward?

I do agree though a large percentage of gamers are just as you described.

My point kind of was how Xbox has taken a beating this gen and if this video is correct the NextBox will be the first Xbox I don't buy.

Yes they still have my in their ecosystem and thats what all that seems to matter to them.

 

[DanielsM]

Yes they still have my in their ecosystem and thats what all that seems to matter to them.

As long as you are buying from the Microsoft Store (eco-system) they are happy for now, eventually they will want you buying in the Microsoft Store than using those products on other services i.e. subscriptions. Whether the service is a virtual desktop, application layer, or streaming. The "for now" is put there for a reason, as eventually they want you to pay for the windows services you are not paying a subscription for now. (Welcome to your subscription based heaven)

 

[JLB]

True but the device makers are the gatekeepers. See what Apple did to Valve. Nadella just blew up another Microsoft device, which I was expecting at some point but not quite this early add it to Windows Phone, Band, and Kinect.

RIP Xbox Console.

Are you putting Xbox in the same level of Windows Phone? really?
As an Xbox only owner, all of these latest xbox everywhere news are just music for my ears. Means that:

* I'll keep getting access to my 800+ xbox games library in the future, whether that means on an Xbox console, a PC, a Switch, my IPhone or whatever other device.
* There will be a much wider audience, meaning that small, non AAA games gets access to a bigger community.
* In the shorttime, means that if next year I decide to go for a PC rather than next xbox, I can do it and play my games as usual.
* Many of my non-gamer friends have access to the lowest price barrier to join videogames.

Microsoft is two steps ahead in regard of long term strategy compared to competitors, as of now.

 

[Stuart360]

I very well could be in the minority but also know a lot of gamers who have all three consoles and a decent gaming PC.

Even my adult son texted to me today with this video and asked what his incentive is to buy Xbox hardware moving forward?

I do agree though a large percentage of gamers are just as you described.

My point kind of was how Xbox has taken a beating this gen and if this video is correct the NextBox will be the first Xbox I don't buy.

Yes they still have my in their ecosystem and thats what all that seems to matter to them.

I think people need to remember that they make very little money from actual console sales, if anything. The money is in game sales and gamne licenses. I dont think Microsoft care if you buy the game for the Xbox console, or for PC, as long as you buy the game.
There will always be a market for the console as a lot of people cant afford a PC, dont want a PC, have little experience with PC's and would probably struggle even doing somehting simple like updated their gpu drivers.
People always look at these things from the 'console war' angle, even if they are not actuallly console waring. Microsoft probably know they cant beat Playstation sales wise, even if they had nothing to do with PC's. As long as gamers are buying the games, and using the services, i'm pretty sure thats all that Microsoft care about.

 

[Damian black]

It will be real funny to see how they will get xbox live money, if they dont sell many consoles.
Good luck to them, I guess.

 

[The Wise Old Man]

I very well could be in the minority but also know a lot of gamers who have all three consoles and a decent gaming PC.

Even my adult son texted to me today with this video and asked what his incentive is to buy Xbox hardware moving forward?

I do agree though a large percentage of gamers are just as you described.

My point kind of was how Xbox has taken a beating this gen and if this video is correct the NextBox will be the first Xbox I don't buy.

Yes they still have my in their ecosystem and thats what all that seems to matter to them.

Even if they don't sell physical boxes and switch to the Netflix subscription model, they'll still make a fuckton of money. Probably more than what they're making now since theyve already got servers up the wazoo ready to start streaming games. And they wouldn't need to worry about manufacturing costs for home consoles anymore.

I wouldnt worry about Microsoft going anywhere and I think Sony is about to get taught another lesson.

 

[ResilientBanana]

It will be real funny to see how they will get xbox live money, if they dont sell many consoles.
Good luck to them, I guess.

Did you want to play Halo on Switch? That will be one gamepass, please. You most likely won't have to pay for Xbox Live on the Switch. A subscription is a subscription and that's what they want.

 

[The Wise Old Man]

It will be real funny to see how they will get xbox live money, if they dont sell many consoles.
Good luck to them, I guess.

Consoles are very expensive to manufacture. Most consoles don't end up becoming actually profitable for years into their life cycles as costs decrease. $10 per months for a Netflix streaming style games library is profitable IMMEDIATELY and that's before you add in DLC and micro transactions. This is a smart move on Microsoft's part.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Consoles are very expensive to manufacture. Most consoles don't end up becoming actually profitable for years into their life cycles as costs decrease. $10 per months for a Netflix streaming style games library is profitable IMMEDIATELY and that's before you add in DLC and micro transactions. This is a smart move on Microsoft's part.

And I'm sure most devs are on board too. Aside from first party MS games which are their own, very few new games come out on GP as a launch. Maybe some indie games and some modest budget games, but you aren't getting the big hitters like EA Sports, shooters or R* games. Most games are from months ago when new disc/digital games dry up.

So expanded GP means expanded reach (Switch users), which means devs can command a bit more since more sub money is out there to be shared across MS, Nintendo, game maker.

 

[JLB]

This is all fine and dandy but I own a Mac so I guess I'm fucked. Oh well.

lol, put on the same boat. Havent touched a Windows computer since a decado ago or so (many years of linux, then many of osxs).

 

[DanielsM]

Are you putting Xbox in the same level of Windows Phone? really?

Don't know what you mean by "comparison", Nadella had no issue closing up shop within a year and writing down the Lumia acquistion of $9b to zero, they just keep saying how they were going to support it to customers and dev i.e. Games for Windows Live lip service. He's actually running out of consumer products to axe and devices. I'm not sure what the incentive is for most big pubs/devs to want to deploy or target the rumored Xbox Two, generally speaking. (Again, as mentioned above he obviously isn't shutting down Xbox as a Platform, on the contrary)

Lots of people are not going to be happy about this, if true, but its not like they are hiding what they want to do - just people don't want to listen, some people won't mind like you.

Brave souls, this is usually how it ends - lip service and then silence, Windows Phone users/devs put up with it for about 5 years. (Funny thing I still actually still have my $29 Lumia 640 )
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ms-p...party-games-to-pc.710494/page-4#post-88868188

 

[Norse]

You'll need to be subscribed to Xbox game pass to play select Xbox games on your PC. Thats all this is.

 

[Denton]

Would love to play Halo MCC on PC as long as it runs 60fps.

 

[twdnewh_k]

Great if true. MS want you on Xbox not necessarily on their console. A lot of people keep forgetting that unlike Sony or Nintendo, MS doesn't need to sell HW as much, they have Windows, the biggest OS.

Factor in the Nintendo rumors, and this makes a lot of sense.

 

[Gamezone]

Great if true. MS want you on Xbox not necessarily on their console. A lot of people keep forgetting that unlike Sony or Nintendo, MS doesn't need to sell HW as much, they have Windows, the biggest OS.

Factor in the Nintendo rumors, and this makes a lot of sense.

The problem with Windows is that there are lots of well established game launchers there already. The question is how they will allow EA to sell their games trough Xbox on PC when Origin is already there?

 

[bati]

I was thinking OG xbox games and now im pretty disappointed

Same. I want to play Ninja Gaiden Black again.

 

[HeresJohnny]

They didn't announce anything, these are rumors. The whole point of making games widely available, cross play compatible, and cross buy compatible is to create a healthy install base. Like I said console companies are not in the business of making consoles. They are in the business of selling games. It doesn't matter if X company sells Y amount of consoles, if my games outsold yours 10:1. So much profit is to be had If you sell the games.

In the end, I might buy an Xbox, but if I find that my PC can run the Xbox games, then I will buy those games on PC. Microsoft does not care, I bought into their ecosystem and if the ecosystem I bought into makes them money, then they win. If you buy there console, they win. If you play Xbox on switch, they win. and so on.

A customer with no investment in the ecosystem can leave as quickly as they came. Microsoft is having trouble getting people to buy games who own an Xbox console, imagine how that would affect sales when those customers have nothing tying them to the Xbox ecosystem.

 

[Orenji Neko]

Because there are still some great exclusives which never made it to PC. This isnt something difficult to figure out.

As a PC game player fist and foremost, this is the exact reason I own an Xbox. I can't play Gears 2 and 3, Ninja Gaiden Black, Lost Odyssey, Halo MCC, and several others without it.

 

[Gamezone]

If this makes it easier to skip the launcher hell on PC, great news.

 

[ZywyPL]

It's really hard for me to believe that 3rd party publishers like EA, Ubi etc. will allow this to happen with their games, they would obviously prefer for the people to double dip on both console and PC versions, and maybe even tripple dip once the next-gen consoles arrive, same as what happened with GTAV.

 

[Gamezone]

It's really hard for me to believe that 3rd party publishers like EA, Ubi etc. will allow this to happen with their games, they would obviously prefer for the people to double dip on both console and PC versions, and maybe even tripple dip once the next-gen consoles arrive, same as what happened with GTAV.

They have to be honest. I mean, how many people buy their games twice? I think the number is very, very low.

Buy the game once, have access to it anywhere is something that should have happened a long time ago. If streaming becomes a mass market some time in the future, people will be able to play their games when and where they want anyway. They simply have to look at the benefits they get by sacrificing almost nothing.

 

[ResilientBanana]

A customer with no investment in the ecosystem can leave as quickly as they came. Microsoft is having trouble getting people to buy games who own an Xbox console, imagine how that would affect sales when those customers have nothing tying them to the Xbox ecosystem.

Are they having an issue with that? I haven't seen that headline. I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm sure that at this point MS has given up on this generation. Next gen they are going to shine, but so will Sony. They both will need to gain and keep momentum, but if you can saturate the market you are probably better off. Just think about next gen game pass and all the exclusives Microsoft will have with their newly acquired studios. That's going to be a pretty big deal considering that all exclusives make it to gamepass day one. They will care less about game sales and more about subscriptions. They would rather get our $10 a month rather than $60 every once in a while. Personally, I don't buy too many games, but I wouldn't mind subscribing to gamepass to play a plethora of games.

 

[petran79]

As a PC game player fist and foremost, this is the exact reason I own an Xbox. I can't play Gears 2 and 3, Ninja Gaiden Black, Lost Odyssey, Halo MCC, and several others without it.

What is more concerning is forcing mandatory W10 upgrades to keep up with those features. I disabled Windows Update because everytime upgrading to a new version takes hours.

 

[DGrayson]

As a PC game player fist and foremost, this is the exact reason I own an Xbox. I can't play Gears 2 and 3, Ninja Gaiden Black, Lost Odyssey, Halo MCC, and several others without it.

Yup same reason why I bought an X. I have a great gaming PC but I never played Halo before ... I also wanted Rare Replay, Panzer Dragoon Orta etc etc etc etc.

 

[DanielsM]

They have to be honest. I mean, how many people buy their games twice? I think the number is very, very low.

Buy the game once, have access to it anywhere is something that should have happened a long time ago. If streaming becomes a mass market some time in the future, people will be able to play their games when and where they want anyway. They simply have to look at the benefits they get by sacrificing almost nothing.

Hm. I feel like I am in Brizarro World again. The masses can game stream for about a decade now, heck, PS4 owners can are able to play when and where they want today and for the 5+ years, let alone other game streaming services available. (Not sure, if these posts are sarcasm, I continue to be very baffled)

 

[Gamezone]

Hm. I feel like I am in Brizarro World again. The masses can game stream for about a decade now, heck, PS4 owners can are able to play when and where they want today and for the 5+ years, let alone other game streaming services available. (Not sure, if these posts are sarcasm, I continue to be very baffled)

Or Microsoft could simply tell them that if they want their games on Xbox One and next generation, having the game as a part of Xbox on Windows will be a part of that.

 

[DanielsM]

Or Microsoft could simply tell them that if they want their games on Xbox One and next generation, having the game as a part of Xbox on Windows will be a part of that.

Yes, until Windows is completely cloudified, meaning all the services are built out so they are trying to keep the remaining Xbox customers into the eco-system while they finish develop the additional services, you have quite a few years yet. (Maybe a topic for another day) They are just trying to keep the existing customers in the eco-system as all the cloud services on the Windows and Xbox side are not complete, I would expect a few announcements at E3.
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/virtual-desktop/

Devices are optional to Nadella, now that doesn't mean he won't support a device but they have to be the leader and selling from the MS Store. If they cloudify it, they can charge a subscriptions for Windows,

 

[JLB]

Don't know what you mean by "comparison", Nadella had no issue closing up shop within a year and writing down the Lumia acquistion of $9b to zero, they just keep saying how they were going to support it to customers and dev i.e. Games for Windows Live lip service. He's actually running out of consumer products to axe and devices. I'm not sure what the incentive is for most big pubs/devs to want to deploy or target the rumored Xbox Two, generally speaking. (Again, as mentioned above he obviously isn't shutting down Xbox as a Platform, on the contrary)

Lots of people are not going to be happy about this, if true, but its not like they are hiding what they want to do - just people don't want to listen, some people won't mind like you.

Brave souls, this is usually how it ends - lip service and then silence, Windows Phone users/devs put up with it for about 5 years. (Funny thing I still actually still have my $29 Lumia 640 )
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ms-p...party-games-to-pc.710494/page-4#post-88868188

Why en hell nadella would close a profitable business?

 

[Nikana]

Yes, until Windows is completely cloudified, meaning all the services are built out so they are trying to keep the remaining Xbox customers into the eco-system while they finish develop the additional services, you have quite a few years yet. (Maybe a topic for another day) They are just trying to keep the existing customers in the eco-system as all the cloud services on the Windows and Xbox side are not complete, I would expect a few announcements at E3.
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/virtual-desktop/

Devices are optional to Nadella, now that doesn't mean he won't support a device but they have to be the leader and selling from the MS Store. If they cloudify it, they can charge a subscriptions for Windows,

Your vision of Microsoft is severely jaded. You do know your opinions aren't facts right?

 

[DanielsM]

Why en hell nadella would close a profitable business?

Which business is that? Remaining customers/products will be slowly moved, not shutdown, generally speaking. You're still in the middle of the process for many products to be transitioned. Most of Microsoft's real losers have already been axed, see above.

Close them all up, no, move them, yes - just like they have been doing for 5+ years.

 

[DanielsM]

Your vision of Microsoft is severely jaded. You do know your opinions aren't facts right?

I wish you the best of luck. (You sound like the Windows Central guys saying how Microsoft wouldn't abandon all the products I listed above, impossible they said... no way they abandon mobile!) Again, I wish you luck.