<--- Former black republican..
Sorry guys.. :\ I didn't know..was making too much money to realize it...
You turned white?
<--- Former black republican..
Sorry guys.. :\ I didn't know..was making too much money to realize it...
Going by Google's definition there's bigots on both sides lol. But for the sake of debate I'll use the less precise colloquial definition. Even if it is true by your standards, you shouldn't use it because it alienates people that you could otherwise have a conversation with (and eventually bring to your side). For similar reasons, people that make minor racist or homophobic comments shouldn't be fired from their jobs. It just angers people more and drives up partisanship.
Duh? It's not that I think religion trumps everything else, it's that I don't like the fact people are descending on these backwater towns and expecting them to change at the drop of the hat. I think the tone of the discussion could be improved, basically. Calling people bigots and equivalent to racists isn't helpful, particularly.
People that get so angry at being called a bigot that it drives them even further toward homophobia, racism, etc were never going to come around.
Not being tolerant of bigotry does not make someone a bigot.
The thing is, these towns are based around judging people. Particularly in the south, the whole society (outside of the cities) IS based on judging people. And not just on race and sexuality. Clothing, hair, vehicle. Everything is judged much more than in places like California. I can say this because I've lived in both. "Goths" in California would be branded as suspected devil worshipers in some Alabama towns.Yes, how could I forget the great stampede on Hicksville, USA where people were forced to believe in the homosexual unions? Silly me. I forgot that happened. Seriously, you're creating boogie men where there are none.
The bigots can keep their beliefs if they want. No one gives a fuck what a bigot thinks. The morons should take the advice liberals have been trying to tell them for years with abortion. "Mind your own damn business. It's none of your concern."
You see the problem doesn't lay with people "descending on backwater towns." It's rather the people in backwater towns going out of their way to make sure Bob and Jim don't have a wedding cake for their wedding. That discrimination is not holy. Judge your damn selves and not anybody else.
You turned white?
It does in my opinion. Dismissing people that don't hold views similar to yours isn't helpful to society at all. How can you expect them to show you empathy when you have none for them?
Yes, how could I forget the great stampede on Hicksville, USA where people were forced to believe in the homosexual unions? Silly me. I forgot that happened. Seriously, you're creating boogie men where there are none.
The bigots can keep their beliefs if they want. No one gives a fuck what a bigot thinks. The morons should take the advice liberals have been trying to tell them for years with abortion. "Mind your own damn business. It's none of your concern."
You see the problem doesn't lay with people "descending on backwater towns." It's rather the people in backwater towns going out of their way to make sure Bob and Jim don't have a wedding cake for their wedding. That discrimination is not holy. Judge your damn selves and not anybody else.
2. Gay Marriage- At first I didn't care about it, now I'm kind of meh on it because I feel as though people are being forced to accept it. I have a real problem with how society is treating people in "flyover country" that have religious objections to gay marriage. Not everybody lives in New York or Los Angeles.
It does in my opinion. Dismissing people that don't hold views similar to yours isn't helpful to society at all. How can you expect them to show you empathy when you have none for them?
The thing is, these towns are based around judging people. Particularly in the south, the whole society (outside of the cities) IS based on judging people. And not just on race and sexuality. Clothing, hair, vehicle. Everything is judged much more than in places like California. I can say this because I've lived in both. "Goths" in California would be branded as suspected devil worshipers in some Alabama towns.
They would argue that their culture is being impeded upon- which it is in many ways. There are quite a few stories out now about religious organizations having to pull out of public-private partnerships because the religious institution doesn't accept gay marriage. I'm sympathetic to that situation. I'm also sympathetic to the public accommodations intrusion (like the cake-baking lady). You can't really argue that that isn't government intrusion where there previously was none.The thing about this that always bugs me is that people say that they're being forced to accept something. The same people are forcing others to accept one view instead of embracing others by using religion as some ultimate deciding factor. Besides, it's not even directly affecting people who want heterosexual marriages. You can still have heterosexual marriages if gay marriage is legalized, stop forcing people to accept only one form of marriage.
You turned white?
For similar reasons, people that make minor racist or homophobic comments shouldn't be fired from their jobs. It just angers people more and drives up partisanship.
Gay marriage.
I used to feel that a separate but equal state like civil union was sufficient, Then i learned there is no such thing as separate but equal.
That's if you consider gay marriage a constitution right, which I'm kind of conflicted on. Now, if you'd like to open up the discussion for doing away with government recognition of marriage altogether, and simply have varying civil unions for all kinds of human relationships (including polygamous), I AM for that.So people don't want you to have rights and if you don't tolerate the fact they want you to be a lesser citizen you are a bigot. That's nice.
Oh man. College did that for me. Opened my eyes to the diversity of people in terms of background, sexual identity, race, religion...everything.
You can learn lots when you're in a goddamn foxhole with people. You can also learn lots you work together and play together. In college, I became a liberal that recognized where he came from, and decided to react to the world differently so that my kids didn't have the same biases that I did. And I think I came out of it a better person. Just have to recognize and keep on trying, right?
It does in my opinion. Dismissing people that don't hold views similar to yours isn't helpful to society at all. How can you expect them to show you empathy when you have none for them?
There's a difference between an action and a belief. What if he didn't dis-associate himself and simply believed they shouldn't marry people of the same sex? That's not an action, it's simply a belief. Suppose he treated them well otherwise? Would dis-association with him be bigotry then? I would argue that it's at least cruel.Intolerance of bigotry is not bigotry. It is intolerance, and there is a difference. If my children are gay, and I choose to not associate with those people that did not associate with them (say an uncle had a religious issue or something), that does not make me a bigot.
It did the opposite for me. When I was in highschool, I actually argued with a social teacher about "why should we care?" About gay people getting married. After going through college, my belief that gay people should be able to get married was solidified, but the idea that the government should be in the business of recognizing marriage at all was brought to the fore. Partially because people I knew were excessively rabid against people who were against gay marriage, and partially because I began to think about "open marriages" and polygamous relationships as viable forms of a sustainable relationship.I feel weird admitting this.
When I entered college, I was unsure of how I felt about gay marriage. This changed when I met a gay guy who ended up becoming one of my closest friends throughout my entire time in college. Getting to know him (and other people) while expanding my understanding of the world on other fronts (including the religion example I posted earlier) made me realize I had absolutely no problem with gay marriage.
it took me a long time, but I've come to enjoy the untucked shirt look for casualwear.
But what if he didn't dis-associate himself and simply believed they shouldn't marry people of the same sex? That's not an action, it's simply a belief. Suppose he treated them well otherwise? Would dis-association with him be bigotry then? I would argue that it's at least cruel.
The thing is, these towns are based around judging people. Particularly in the south, the whole society (outside of the cities) IS based on judging people. And not just on race and sexuality. Clothing, hair, vehicle. Everything is judged much more than in places like California. I can say this because I've lived in both. "Goths" in California would be branded as suspected devil worshipers in some Alabama towns.
more mauve...
I see the error of my typing..
Also this. I voted for romney. I admitted this in another thread and i got dragged. Which i still think is kind of unfair.Used to hate Obama, then I matured. He's a pretty good president, if it weren't for congress he could actually show it.
Language like this only stances my anti abortion views though. :/ You're wrong.
Appealing to people for logical and empathetic reasons will help you get your point across better. Siting the financial hardship of a single mother or unplanned pregnancy is more likely to get me to agree with you than telling me i'm a bigot who should shut up and accept liberal ideology.
Also this. I voted for romney. I admitted this in another thread and i got dragged. Which i still think is kind of unfair.
Probably the death penalty. I used to straight out believe "an eye for an eye". Now I'm somewhere in the middle.
If the state had a valid reason to do it, I guess they could. They wouldn't, and that's the basic argument for gay marriage. I'm not against gay marriage persay, just the method in which its being enforced. Which, it should be noted, is based on my relatively recent belief that there shouldn't be government recognition of marriage at all, and that the government should recognize a broad swath of legal relationships as the same or similar status.Soooo following your logic, are you saying that they should make goth clothing illegal in rural alabama because the residents dont like it there?
Because that is your reasoning for gay marriage.
Pretty hard considering the constitution pretty much doesn't give the government the power to enforce that. The federal government enforces regulations on interstate commerce, not commerce within states. Moreover, that's saying nothing about the property rights problem and whatnot.Anyone arguing companies can opt out of non-discriminatory values based on religious exemptions is fooling themselves. I don't like gay people so I won't serve them a wedding cake or any cake for that matter. Put in any words you want for gay people...Blacks, Asians, Jews, you name it. You can't fucking discriminate in this country. How fucking hard is that to understand?
Are my daily affairs any of your business? No. They're not. Whether I'm taking a shit or what I'm watching on TV. The party of conservatives sure like to know what the fuck everyone is doing in their daily lives. It doesn't concern you whether someone is having an abortion, getting married to someone of the same sex or stuffing their face with Cheetos and high calorie soda.
Stay the fuck out of other people's affairs. If you don't like them, fine. Cry about it to anyone who wants to listen. You are all working yourselves up about shit that doesn't effect you whatsoever. Do you really think God is not going to let you into heaven because you didn't stop an abortion from taking place or because Bob and Jim got married and you made their cake, or Annie ate a bag of Cheetos and washed it down with a two liter of soda? It doesn't make a difference to you whatsoever.
All the time you waste with other people's concerns is less time you could be spending actually doing something of value like feeding the hungry and housing the homeless. People who actually want some help. But instead, nope...we're going to go against the flow and ignore significant issues while we delve into what the fuck people are doing in their homes and their consultations with doctors as well. Hungry and homeless. Who gives a shit? Let's spend our time on dictating how people live their lives. They should live like us...yeah! I'm a great person. No abortions, no gay marriage(but even then certainly no cake if they're getting married or not) and definitely no Cheetos.
Anyone arguing companies can opt out of non-discriminatory values based on religious exemptions is fooling themselves. I don't like gay people so I won't serve them a wedding cake or any cake for that matter. Put in any words you want for gay people...Blacks, Asians, Jews, you name it. You can't fucking discriminate in this country. How fucking hard is that to understand?
You turned white?
I forgot about this one. With all of the mounting evidence about differences in sentencing and the brazen cases of minorities being railroaded in small towns, I can no longer wholeheartedly support the death penalty. Our criminal justice system is too broken to trust with the lives of people.
Are my daily affairs any of your business? No. They're not. Whether I'm taking a shit or what I'm watching on TV. The party of conservatives sure like to know what the fuck everyone is doing in their daily lives. It doesn't concern you whether someone is having an abortion, getting married to someone of the same sex or stuffing their face with Cheetos and high calorie soda.
Stay the fuck out of other people's affairs. If you don't like them, fine. Cry about it to anyone who wants to listen. You are all working yourselves up about shit that doesn't effect you whatsoever. Do you really think God is not going to let you into heaven because you didn't stop an abortion from taking place or because Bob and Jim got married and you made their cake, or Annie ate a bag of Cheetos and washed it down with a two liter of soda? It doesn't make a difference to you whatsoever.
All the time you waste with other people's concerns is less time you could be spending actually doing something of value like feeding the hungry and housing the homeless. People who actually want some help. But instead, nope...we're going to go against the flow and ignore significant issues while we delve into what the fuck people are doing in their homes and their consultations with doctors as well. Hungry and homeless. Who gives a shit? Let's spend our time on dictating how people live their lives. They should live like us...yeah! I'm a great person. No abortions, no gay marriage(but even then certainly no cake if they're getting married or not) and definitely no Cheetos.
Anyone arguing companies can opt out of non-discriminatory values based on religious exemptions is fooling themselves. I don't like gay people so I won't serve them a wedding cake or any cake for that matter. Put in any words you want for gay people...Blacks, Asians, Jews, you name it. You can't fucking discriminate in this country. How fucking hard is that to understand?