The UK commentary was suggesting that Sunisa Lee was the one that came in to replace Biles but I don't know how true that is. I don't know which three typically has the highest scores on the floor.I had a vague idea how it works but I looked it up.
In team competition you have a team of 4. There are 4 apparatuses for women. Floor, vault, uneven bars, balance beam. 3 have to perfom on each apparatus and all the scores are added together. So 4x3=12 scores total.
Biles did the vault and got a lowish score so she kind of just quit and the others had to perform the other events not expecting to. They lost by 3 points and Jordan Chiles got a terrible score on floor I think she wasn't expecting to perform. Anyways if Biles had done her floor routine it would have been really close.
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Tokyo Summer Olympics 2021... I mean 2020 Thread
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ymoc
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Can't believe Roglič pulled it off and won the time trial after the streak of terrible luck this year with all the crashes and the recent TdF failure.
His comment on the win:
Shoutout to all the Dutch bros out there, congrats to Dumoulin for the silver (he just confirmed he will continue cycling, seems he found his passion again). feelsgoodman
What I found really weird though was how there were 0 spectators along the route. Ghost town vibes. Nobody gives a shit about cycling in Japan it seems. What's weird is there weren't even any peeping toms out there. Seriously disappointing. But then I remember how your average japanese gives 0 fucks about anything that is not figure skating or baseball.
His comment on the win:
Shoutout to all the Dutch bros out there, congrats to Dumoulin for the silver (he just confirmed he will continue cycling, seems he found his passion again). feelsgoodman
What I found really weird though was how there were 0 spectators along the route. Ghost town vibes. Nobody gives a shit about cycling in Japan it seems. What's weird is there weren't even any peeping toms out there. Seriously disappointing. But then I remember how your average japanese gives 0 fucks about anything that is not figure skating or baseball.
DeepBreath87
Banned
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
She's got a ton of golds and silvers... She'll be ok as the most decorated gymnast ever!
Also... I looked it up .. a number of gymnasts have been paralyzed due to the Vault and uneven bars. Though it's been changed in size, the vault is still dangerous. All sports are dangerous where you're in the air and moving at breakneck speeds.
This isn't even touching the injuries like a torn ACL that could have out an end to her gymnastics career.
And yes, I DO know about sports. The injuries many of them have and how so many push through regardless.
IMO, they're just as brave or foolhardy as Biles. If they have too much pressure on them and buckle, I don't hold it against them. I'm just a regular person and so are they... They just accomplished a lot more than I have.
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DeepBreath87
Banned
She’ll also have quitting on her team during the most important competition of at least her teammates’ lives. So there’s that. This is a bad mark on an otherwise unblemished career. Obviously doesn’t take away from past accomplishments. But she failed to be great because she didn’t try and she let down teammates who counted on her and looked up to her by not trying.
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INC
Gold Member
Well she won regardless, now she's got more attention than athletes that actually took part.........
2021........where not takin part is more important
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Also... I'm sure the fact that the judges that keep scoring her lower when she does something that seemed impossible before or has a HIGH level of difficulty for others would sap at her mental health.
Athletes get PRAISE for doing the impossible but for some reason SHE gets penalized for it? Like when she did the Yurchenko Double Pike... She was scored low on it, even though no WOMAN had ever done it before. The men do it all the time but a WOMAN? "oh how unladylike... We must punish her for this transgression!"
And that's not the only time she's pulled off an amazing and technically perfect move and been scored low on it.
Athletes get PRAISE for doing the impossible but for some reason SHE gets penalized for it? Like when she did the Yurchenko Double Pike... She was scored low on it, even though no WOMAN had ever done it before. The men do it all the time but a WOMAN? "oh how unladylike... We must punish her for this transgression!"
And that's not the only time she's pulled off an amazing and technically perfect move and been scored low on it.
AJUMP23
Gold Member
Sounds like the history professor that gave me a B because he thought I could do more based upon our class discussion.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It's worse because she's been doing "impossible" routines for years and still is scored lower on them. Like she could pull off a move that has never been done before and stick the landing and STILL get a lower score. I don't see this happen much for many other gymnasts. I think the last couple of female gymnasts this happened to were both on team USA back in the 90s ... Can't remember their names.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
She's done the Olympics.
www.espn.com
Biles withdraws from individual all-around final
Defending Olympic champion Simone Biles will not compete in Thursday's individual all-around competition "in order to focus on her mental health."
Tschumi
Member
i don't think anyone thought it would be 'pleasant'
maybe i'm wrong though and missed a press releaseeveryone knows the australian open hits 40+ Celsius, i mean in this day and age of... hell, google, i find it hard to believe people doing the kind of deep and thoughtful - and rigorous - training that is called for by olympic competition (and big wage packets) would overlook the climate.. they probably would have trained in hot and humid countries specifically to prepare for it.. they do that in football (soccer) at least~
totally agree with u re: asian humidity, i'm a wreck when i go outside lol, a sweaty smelly wreck.. doesn't help i pound everywhere on a bike
Raven117
Gold Member
This is just an unfortunate situation. Hope she can find the rest and respite she needs.She's done the Olympics.
Biles withdraws from individual all-around final
Defending Olympic champion Simone Biles will not compete in Thursday's individual all-around competition "in order to focus on her mental health."
But this is not something to celebrate. This is something to be concerned about.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Totally.
There's a difference between quitting due to a physical injury and quitting because youre not prepared. That Kerri Strugg video is 10x the athlete Biles is. I dont care if Biles has 10x more medals. Strugg is a fighter and had a bad leg and she still did it. And I dont think she was even the star gymnast on the team. She could had just called it quits if she wanted to. She was already limping.
Biles even said (read ESPN article I pasted above), she wasnt feeling it when she got to Tokyo. So she wasnt prepared and decided to bail out of nowhere in the middle of the gym events!
Thats like an athlete (it happens here and there) where some vet retires out of nowhere in the middle of the season. Often due to playing bad as he's clearly over the hill. And sometimes teammates publicly get pissed because he quit on the team with no notice. If you want to retire, quit end of season. And those guys who quit are never even the star players and teammates still get pissed. You'd think maybe they'd be happy a crap player quit, but its a team game and whether your good or bad, you play unless you got an injury the doc says you cant.
Every team has good players, avg players and the team rounds out with some crappy bench players. That woud be like all the crappier players quitting because they arent prepared and think they are dragging down the team. Wrong attitude - especially from an athlete - you play.
As I said before, the mens triathlon had 62 people. 2 didnt finish due to injury and one guys bike crashed. The other 60 still finished even though it's clear many of them didnt come close to winning. They didnt quit midway during biking or running because they knew a medal was impossible. You finish.
Alebrije
Member
Good , health is a priority the rest is just expendable...She's done the Olympics.
Biles withdraws from individual all-around final
Defending Olympic champion Simone Biles will not compete in Thursday's individual all-around competition "in order to focus on her mental health."
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Womens 3x3 basketball team won gold.
I dont know when the mens medal match is, but if you can find it watch it. Probably the best spectator sport I've seen so far. Fast paced action.
I dont know when the mens medal match is, but if you can find it watch it. Probably the best spectator sport I've seen so far. Fast paced action.
AJUMP23
Gold Member
The US China match prelim match was great.
DeepBreath87
Banned
I hope he has a good security team
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I remember reading about this somewhere a week ago as Olympics were ramping up. Crazy. Never knew this kind of shit happened.
AJUMP23
Gold Member
I think Israel has a great security team. Especially since the 72 Olympics.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
That really sucks. But I'm glad she pulled out rather than possibly injuring herself. Hopefully she gets the help she needs.She's done the Olympics.
Biles withdraws from individual all-around final
Defending Olympic champion Simone Biles will not compete in Thursday's individual all-around competition "in order to focus on her mental health."
Raven117
Gold Member
From an individual standpoint, certainly.
From a greater sports standpoint, I think the U.S. Olympic Committee needs to re-evaluate the support they give to athletes to help them shoulder so much pressure. Biles (like Phelps before her) were the face of the Olympics for the U.S., plus being "ZOMG THE BEST EVA!" is a huge burden to bear.
Dural
Member
I'm a Chicago Bears fan and we had a QB named Jay Cutler that quit on the team in an NFC Championship game (he injured his knee and didn't play the second half) allowing the hated Green Bay Packers to go to the Super Bowl. He is hated in Chicago by a majority of the fans. There were countless articles written at the time about how he quit on the team. Any athlete that does this to their team will be berated, it comes with the territory.
Jay Cutler Deserves the Criticism After Quitting During the NFC Championship | Bleacher Report | Latest News, Videos and Highlights
DeviantBoi
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The Simon Biles situation proves that there is a mental health problem among US athletes. Naomi Osaka as well, since she grew up in the States.
Athletes need to train less and have more mental health breaks. Too many people are pushing them and they also push themselves too much.
Even tournaments seem to be too much pressure. Maybe get rid of those and just select the US team by who wants to go the most.
And tell them that they don’t need to come in first or second or third. It’s the participation that matters. The US can have their own placement ceremony among their athletes.
Athletes need to train less and have more mental health breaks. Too many people are pushing them and they also push themselves too much.
Even tournaments seem to be too much pressure. Maybe get rid of those and just select the US team by who wants to go the most.
And tell them that they don’t need to come in first or second or third. It’s the participation that matters. The US can have their own placement ceremony among their athletes.
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Gp1
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I had a vague idea how it works but I looked it up.
In team competition you have a team of 4. There are 4 apparatuses for women. Floor, vault, uneven bars, balance beam. 3 have to perfom on each apparatus and all the scores are added together. So 4x3=12 scores total.
Biles did the vault and got a lowish score so she kind of just quit and the others had to perform the other events not expecting to. They lost by 3 points and Jordan Chiles got a terrible score on floor I think she wasn't expecting to perform. Anyways if Biles had done her floor routine it would have been really close.
Jordan Chiles, the 20 years old newcomer can be pressured to compete last minute on solo with the gold medal on the line. But the 24 years old GOAT multi gold medalist team captain can't cope with a mediocre table vaulting.
If She had done the same "mediocre" performance as she did on the table vaulting, the US Team would have won the Gold or it would be very close to the Russians. And that's without considering the psychological pressure that her drama puts on other athletes backs. Athletes way younger and less experienced that her. Specially at the Olympics.
DeafTourette
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Naw... That's false. She was pressured by Karolyi to go again... SHE wanted to quit... Look at the video, again. She was pleading with him to let her go get her ankle taken care of. SHE didn't want to go again. So that's false...
Plus... So? Biles is the most decorated female gymnast EVER! She's done more insanely difficult routines than anyone else and pulled them off near perfectly, only to be penalized for it. You try doing your best and being penalized for it. The woman has her bonafides... She had nothing else to prove to anyone and she owes NONE of us, not even the country, another day on the mat. Her only concern should be her own physical and mental health. Same for any athlete.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Still a tougher and more accomplished person than you, though.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Yeah I think the US has come to just expect success. Anything less is a failure. That is not a healthy mindset to have.
Compare that to most other athletes from around the world who are just excited to be there. They want to compete obviously and they want to win, but most are not going in expecting the gold and will be judged as failures if they don't get it. It's just not a healthy amount of pressure to put on young athletes.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
we have Twitter for people like you bro
ArtemisClydeFrog
Banned
Stop. Chicago Sports fans are the fucking worst and I say this as one.
You're probably one of the ones who was shitting on Cutler and cucking for Trubisky. Cutler didn't "quit" on the team, he sprained his MCL. You wouldn't even get out of your recliner if you sprained yours.
Slaylock
Member
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Thats subjective.
Either way, Strugg still did it on a bad leg and she pulled it off and won THE TEAM the gold. Thats guts. Why you are trying to downplay it is absurd.
Biles giant track record of medals and success means nothing. At this moment of time, she is the leader and everyone is expecting her to show up. And she didnt. You are giving her an excuse that successful people (especially in team events) should just wing it if they feel like it because they dont feel like going to work that day.
Thats a poor attitude, unsportsmanlike, and a quitter. Read my post above about triathlon. But it can go for any sport.
If she wants to be a quitter because you think she deserves to be since shes a hall of fame gymnast, then call it quits months ago. Or quit when its done. Womens gymnastics ends in a couple more days. Thats it. Its not even like needing to slog through a 162 baseball schedule. It ends soon. Or quit after the team event. All she had to do is do another couple jumps in the next hour and then quit.
As Gp1 said, an all star athlete quitting mid tournament, expecting a back up to take over is dumb as hell. Its not like the coach or doc made a call to take her out of the game. That would be like LeBron James getting thrashed (his Laker days have been a combo of championship and missing the playoffs!) and in the second half of the game, he just walks off the court because he feels he's done for the day. Coach wants him in. Teammates are like WTF? But suddenly the coach has no choice but to sub a bench player. Or Michael Jordan with the flu saying he's not showing up and will sit in the hotel.
Team USA was second to Russia too in such a tight race. They were right there going for gold. And she bailed.
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Dural
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Stop. Chicago Sports fans are the fucking worst and I say this as one.
You're probably one of the ones who was shitting on Cutler and cucking for Trubisky. Cutler didn't "quit" on the team, he sprained his MCL. You wouldn't even get out of your recliner if you sprained yours.
It's funny you say this as I was never one to complain about Cutler, I do have several GB fans that call him Quitler though so it's not just Bears fans. The media in Chicago did vilify him after that game, even to this day many in the Chicago sports media call him a quitter. That was my point, even with an injury he was called a quitter while we have articles praising Biles for actually quitting with no injury.
Slaylock
Member
When it comes to quitting, I would think Chicago fans would tend to remember this one:
The playoff game that Scottie Pippen quit on the Michael Jordan-less Bulls
This is probably Scottie Pippen's biggest blunder ever.
clutchpoints.com
Raven117
Gold Member
The best drive to be the best. Not just be happy to be there. For someone who just squeaked in, for sure. Its amazing for them. Its about pushing to and perhaps beyond their limitations. That is what is inspiring about sports. Why sports movies are awesome. Why sports moments are awesome. Why people who don't give a shit about sports, find inspiration in watching competitors compete and overcome. It inspires all of us to be better.
Pressure comes with winning. And winning comes with pressure. This has been true since the beginning of sports. Your post is a loser mentality that appreciates participation trophies.
Biles cracked under the absolute insane amount of pressure that was put on her. I'm not saying she didn't make the right choice, but the issue is what circumstances gave rise to put her in that mindset. (We know she is a fierce competitor). Again, this is not something to be celebrated. This is an issue that the U.S. Olympic Committee, and the media (really the media), needs to help these young athletes address so they can focus on their sport.
Raven117
Gold Member
But she didn't. She could have walked off that mat, but didn't. And instead, pushed far beyond her limitations and became an absolute LEGEND. She transcended sports and became truly great. That is the point. Don't discredit what she did to give support to whatever you want to argue about Biles.
Just think about what you did. You discredited someone's individual achievement that is truly one of the most bad ass things to have happened in sports, so you can argue the decision made by someone else 25 years (or so) later. That's pathetic.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I dont follow NFL, but know enough Cutler was always ragged on. I didnt now about some of these issues he had. I thought he was laughed at more for his stats being so-so and not a QB to take you over the top.
Dural
Member
After that championship game the media constantly gave him shit. If you look at what he had to go through in Chicago, something like 4 or 5 different offensive coordinators with different schemes and three different head coaches, he wasn't horrible. We just suck as a team at putting the right coaching staff with the right players.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Thats totally believable.
Sad thing about football is team success or failure usually points a target at the QB (in isolation). I dont think the typical sports fan says give a QB a break because he's had different coaches and rotating WRs. People often just make a bee-line the QB sucks.
Same for hockey goalies. I'd say most of them have solid skill and the biggest difference isnt even their raw talent but how good their defencemen are. Thats why a allstar goalie with a 2.20 GAA going to a bad D team suddenly jumps to 2.80 or 3.00. And vice versa. Its not like the guy's skill magically changed over the summer.
But most people will just say he sucks and his skills are declining when he might have terrible D and his team takes too many penalties with bad penalty killers.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
Simone Biles: What are the twisties in gymnastics?
US gymnast Simone Biles said she was "having a little bit of the twisties".
www.bbc.com
So what are the "twisties"?
Gymnasts have described the twisties as a kind of mental block.
In some sports a sudden mental block - like the "yips" in golf - may cost you a missed putt, or a lost game.
In gymnastics, it can cause a person to lose their sense of space and dimension as they're in the air, causing them to lose control of their body and do extra twists or flips that they hadn't intended. In the worst cases, they can find themselves suddenly unable to land safely.
The twisties can happen to a gymnast even if they've done the same manoeuvre for years without problems.
Biles - one of the sport's all-time greatest athletes - appeared to become disorientated while performing a vault on Tuesday and stumbled as she landed.
It was a moment that struck an instant chord with those who suspected what she might be going through.
British gymnast Claudia Fragapane competed at the Rio Olympics in 2016.
She fell on the uneven bars and the balance beam in the qualification rounds and then in April this year she again had a fall following a mental block, suffered a head injury and missed the cut for the individual all-around final in Tokyo.
She told the BBC she could "understand exactly how Simone was feeling".
"She has got a lot of weight on her shoulders. Everyone thinks that she is just going to be absolutely out of this world and perfect and she's not human. But actually she is human, and I think the pressure just got too much.
"It's really dangerous if you doubt yourself a little bit, or you find it really hard, you can really really hurt yourself. I've been in her shoes and I ended up hurting myself."
Fragapane said that as Olympic qualification loomed in April, she was "very up and down with [her] moods" - knowing that it could be her last time to try to go to another Olympics.
She was in the middle of the competition and made some mistakes, the gymnast said. "Then I started to get a little bit worried and thought I have to give it my all for my last piece".
Fragapane said that under pressure, for some reason, instead of performing a single somersault, she found herself trying to do a double from a slow run up.
She landed on her head and neck, wound up in hospital with concussion but says she could have been paralysed.
She don't "try" in the middle of a competition when she compete with a team. She already failed the vault with a low score and she couldn't "try" the floor exercise with another low score. They finished second with a short margin from GB and Italy, another mistake and bye bye medals.
Raven117
Gold Member
And lots of other people that were pushed by coaches beyond what they thought their limits were.Isn't this the plot of....Whiplash?
