BladeoftheImmortal
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It's a good thing they've already proved it doesn't.
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Tomorrow its announced consciousness persists after death, how do you react?
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That probably happens the day after Trump is elected.
John Kowalski
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It would be pretty cool.
Now please tell me there's some kind of devil i can sell it to.
Now please tell me there's some kind of devil i can sell it to.
pslayer666
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pretty much this.
I'm sorry, but I cannot believe anything mambo jumbo related unless they give me some concrete evidence to prove their point.
Back up... What?
BladeoftheImmortal
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Brain activity stops after you die. Can't have consciousness without it.
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Wickerbasket
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I'd feel sorry for all those people who've spent an eternity buried under the ground.
BrainZEROX
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If that is some kind of eternal locked in syndrome that would terrify me...
Langdon Alger
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But most of those people's bodies have long since completely decomposed. Why would their consciousness stay underground? (I mean, assuming we're taking the OP seriously.)
This. I'd be fine with this news.
Slayer-33
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But what if you get reactivated elsewhere 👀?
Summer Haze
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This is something I've always pondered. I think about how we pop into existence with no recollection of anything beforehand, and my mind tells me that if that can happen once surely it can happen again, and an infinite number of times. I'm not saying I believe this as I have no idea if it even works this way, but it's interesting nonetheless. I'd be cool with it, it wouldn't be like I'd have any recollection of 'me' anyway.
But then I guess the downside of it being true would be that eventually you'd experience all kinds of horrible things in life.
But then I think about how that wouldn't matter because as soon as I die I would "awake" as someone else with no memory of that ever happening.
Exactly, so when a baby's brain starts to send and receive signals inside the mother's womb, where does that come from? Is it created inside the brain or from elsewhere?
But then I guess the downside of it being true would be that eventually you'd experience all kinds of horrible things in life.
But then I think about how that wouldn't matter because as soon as I die I would "awake" as someone else with no memory of that ever happening.
Exactly, so when a baby's brain starts to send and receive signals inside the mother's womb, where does that come from? Is it created inside the brain or from elsewhere?
Lightning Count
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Nice, I look forward to being a ghost when I die if this is true.
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This is something I've always pondered. I think about how we pop into existence with no recollection of anything beforehand, and my mind tells me that if that can happen once surely it can happen again, and an infinite number of times. I'm not saying I believe this as I have no idea if it even works this way, but it's interesting nonetheless. I'd be cool with it, it wouldn't be like I'd have any recollection of 'me' anyway.
But then I guess the downside of it being true would be that eventually you'd experience all kinds of horrible things in life.
But then I think about how that wouldn't matter because as soon as I die I would "awake" as someone else with no memory of that ever happening.
Exactly, so when a baby's brain starts to send and receive signals inside the mother's womb, where does that come from? Is it created inside the brain or from elsewhere?
If you reawake but you're not the same person anymore... you have not really reawoken. Energy can't be destroyed, only transformed, doesn't really mean it is still the exact same thing after the transformation.
Brain signals spontaneously arise from the brain's intrinsic architecture. This type of emergent network phenomena have been replicated many times in vivo and in silico. There is no such thing as brain ergo mind. Brain and mind are the same thing. So believing activity comes from elsewhere is nonsense in my opinion.
InaudibleWhispa
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I'd ask what the hell the point of the brain is if conciousness can exist without it? And why consciousness is irreversibly damaged if the brain is.
As for the whole idea of reincarnation or conciousness moving to a new brain after death, I never got why that idea is somehow more comforting. What makes me me is my memories and my life experience, coupled with the brain I have now being wired up to determine or favour certain traits, likes, dislikes etc. If you take all that away and put my mind in a new brain with a blank slate, its no different to dying. I'm still gone. I'm somebody else now.
As for the whole idea of reincarnation or conciousness moving to a new brain after death, I never got why that idea is somehow more comforting. What makes me me is my memories and my life experience, coupled with the brain I have now being wired up to determine or favour certain traits, likes, dislikes etc. If you take all that away and put my mind in a new brain with a blank slate, its no different to dying. I'm still gone. I'm somebody else now.
Summer Haze
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That's why I put it in " ". Words suck sometimes lol.
supermarioworldE
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Sounds like my worst nightmare. Being stuck in a coffin, knowing that not only am I dead, but that I cant do a thing but sit there waiting to lose conciousness. Awful.
Vigilant Walrus
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Would not want to be buried in the ground.
Liljagare
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But here is the interesting part, we can't perceive it without time and at some point time stops for your senses, question is, does this happen before or after the moment of death, or during it?
Fun thought.
Robin64
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Lets say it does, what are my sensory inputs? Currently I use my body to gather data, light through my eyes, vibrations through my ears, etc. It's my body that allows me to experience things. Without those, would I just be thought in an infinite darkness? That sounds quite hellish.
Well, we know that everything humans think and do happens in the brain. Researchers with scanners can predict choices before the subjects are aware of making those choices, and they can even "read" your mind for what kind of shapes or colours you're thinking of.
So would a consciousness without a brain be able to, for example, think in sentences? Would it be able to see without eyes and something to process that information?
And if it could, what do we need brains for in the first place?
Souldriver
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I would actually be a little concerned that there doesn't seem to come an end to my being. Must get boring. Real life purgatory.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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The difference it makes is that you can choose when to die.
I, for one, would try to kick the bucket before dementia has a chance to hit. Because an eternity of Alzheimer's? Fuck that.
Alzheimers more or less proves that your being is in your brain. As do numerous personality-changing brain injuries, of course. So if the hypothetical is that consciousness is separate from the brain, Alzheimers also does not exist, yay!
Baron Doggystyle von Woof
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If energy can't be destroyed and we are made of atoms, aren't we immortal?
What happens to these atoms anyways?
What happens to these atoms anyways?
I'd react very skeptically and I would wonder how in the world they ever managed to draw such a conclusion so I'd probably look up the paper and examine whether the study design is scientifically sound. I'd also look at the background of the researchers.
And I'll also listen to what other scientists (because obviously such an announcement would attract a lot of attention from all scientific fields) would have to say on the matter.
And I'll also listen to what other scientists (because obviously such an announcement would attract a lot of attention from all scientific fields) would have to say on the matter.
This would be my reaction as well. I would be terribly upset to learn that I don't just wink out of existence.
FairFriend
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I'd ask for the receipts, that is I would try to read and understand the accompanying pubblication.
5 star reference.
Lucky Seven
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That honestly wouldn't make any sense to me. So, does a "consciousness" or basically what you're saying a spirit just float around like a ghost? Makes no real sense, i'd doubt it from the start.
nvrndr
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This is what some ODs are like.
Stupid question is stupid.
This is complete nonsense. There is no such thing as a "moment of death"; death is state that occurrs when some of the countless interdependent systems that make up your body are damaged to the extent that causes a cascade reaction which terminates all the biological reactions in your body. Your perception of time stops the moment that the neurons involved in forming your perception of time cease functioning.
This is complete nonsense. There is no such thing as a "moment of death"; death is state that occurrs when some of the countless interdependent systems that make up your body are damaged to the extent that causes a cascade reaction which terminates all the biological reactions in your body. Your perception of time stops the moment that the neurons involved in forming your perception of time cease functioning.
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