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Too early for a Shenmue remake?
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taku said:
From a business standpoint, it's tough to garner support for a costly game which dealt a huge financial blow to a company. It's also tough to justify expanding into other franchises while your primary mascot's games have been lacking in quality (and sales?) for years. Shenmue fans are in the minority and it's just best that people let it go.
Besides, they need to finance Jet Set Radio for the Wii.
gutter_trash
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thisDuck Amuck said:
my world is big enough to love both
Guybrush Threepwood
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Duck Amuck said:
And Shenmue is superior in virtually every similarity between the two games, specifically the attention to detail and the fighting engine.
taku
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I don't know. It's all about the pitch. Selling a concept, an idea. Fuck, if you can sell the shittiest sonic games (I haven't played a good sonic game since adventure 1) do you really don't think that you can sell Shenmue? Seriously? It's all about marketing, getting it out. Heck, 2 Shenmue games already exist, why not update the graphics and concentrate on marketing? If a shit game like the new Prince Of Persia can sell, Shenmue will sell even more. It's a great opportunity as well, what with all the Japanese fan boys and all..No_Style said:
Jet Set Radio would be my second (if not, first) suggestion. Holy bananas, man. That would be a whole different thread though..
taku said:
The problem I see with Shenmue is the same problem I see with Heavy Rain; both are very tough to market for. They're both adventure types and it'll be curious to see how Sony handles the marketting behind that. If Heavy Rain somehow stirs up an adventure game renassaince, I can see some glimmer of hope for Shenmue...
Also, Prince of Persia and Sonic games can fall back on previous success and "iconic status" for marketing. Shenmue? "Who the hell is that 80's thug with the tight binding jeans?"
I guess I should also admit that I am not the world's biggest Shenmue fan, but I do respect the series and what it did. I'm just participating in this discussion to better understand its biggest supporters.
Sword Familiar
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Everyone should donate money into a "make shenmue 3" fund, then offer the money to SEGA and ask "so, what's your excuse now?".
diffusionx
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taku said:
Because its a stupid idea, and a waste of time to think about it. I mean, no one is really hating on the game. It's a good game. They're hating on this stupid idea of a remake like there's a chance its gonna happen. By your own admission Sega would have to remake the first 2 games before they "finish the series" because so few people know about this series. And its true. All the work that went into establishing the franchise 8 years ago is in the garbage. So, basically, you're saying its a great idea for Sega to bring back this ancient series almost nobody cares about, and release it, and the game will find the audience it didn't have even when there was tons of hype and marketing, and the audience it didn't have when it was moved to a more popular system for a second chance, and it will be great.
taku said:
Yes. Because Sonic is a series with a large built in fanbase of idiots and furries that will buy every single one no matter how bad it is. And Sega cannot market a damn thing. There have been like a dozen decent-to-great games that have totally flopped because of their crap marketing this generation.
And what Japanese fan boys? Shenmue totally flopped in Japan. I even vaguely remember it doing better here.
xS1TH L0RDx
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there is no need for a shenmue remake, no matter what time it is.
Guy Legend
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The world demands more Shenmue. Shenmue 3, believe.
Didn't the first Shenmue sell really well? It was the second that wasn't released for the DC in North America and -- go figure -- bombed. Shenume 2 deserves a second life. And no, the Xbox burial, er release doesn't count.
No reason why a remake couldn't be profitable. But yeah, I understand that Sega has bigger fish to fry.
No reason why a remake couldn't be profitable. But yeah, I understand that Sega has bigger fish to fry.
RurouniZel
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At this point, I wouldn't care if they turned Shenmue into a series of novels!
Just FINISH THE STORY!!!
Just FINISH THE STORY!!!
taku
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Point well taken. Oh, also. By "japanese fan boys" I meant fans of the japanese culture, not japanese fans of the series. English is not my first language AND I'm drunk, so I'm terribly sorry for the misunderstanding.diffusionx said:
So in closing, most of you guys don't think this is even remotely a good idea? I really think it would bring life to the series once and for all..
Edit:
I would basically settle for this. I am not a Shenmue fanboy. Both games had it's flaws, but believe me when I say this, Shenmue is one of the greatest gaming experience of my life. And I have been playing games hardcore since I was freaking 5 years old. I just hate it when great franchises go to waste, that includes everything, not only Shenmue, this is just one of many examples..RurouniZel said:
diffusionx
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taku said:
I don't even think it's a matter of that. Shit, I'd buy a remake, I'd buy Shenmue 3. The thing is, it's not going to happen, so why keep talking about it?
RockmanWhore
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Fersis said:
Awesome graphics for the time, and extremely nice ambiance/immersion/scenario. To make a stupid comparision, just imagine Bioshock with Killzone 2 graphics on a dying system hyped by the hardcore gamers :lol
Guybrush Threepwood
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The fact that the first Shenmue sold over 1 million copies on a system that only sold 10.6 million units is proof that it can sell. Who cares if it didn't break even.
Shenmue II was doomed to fail. It was released at the end of the Dreamcast's lifespan, wasn't released on the DC in North America, and when the American version finally came it was on the dead-end Xbox with virtually no marketing at all.
Shenmue, with proper marketing, is a big seller.
Shenmue II was doomed to fail. It was released at the end of the Dreamcast's lifespan, wasn't released on the DC in North America, and when the American version finally came it was on the dead-end Xbox with virtually no marketing at all.
Shenmue, with proper marketing, is a big seller.
BlazeHedgehog
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Bumblebeetuna said:
Same reason they remade the Hulk movie? And, hey, there was only like, three or four years between the two Hulk movies, too.
Shenmue is only a flop if you look at it financially anyway. In terms of what Shenmue represents as an experience, it was in no way a flop. It was boring and mundane and if you could tolerate it, it was ridiculously immersive as a result.
Probably one of the most immersive games of all time, if you ask me. I dunno how well it holds up now, though. Could stand to bust out the ol' Dreamcast and give it a go again. Shenmue 1 is only like 8 hours long.
AppleBlade
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I disagree on Shenmue being a big seller, however that is not to say that it can't be a profitable endeavor for Sega. I think the key is to not over do it. Hell, they should just up-res the textures to 360/PS3 quality release both games on the disc with an extended ending that wraps everything up and call it a day. They could release it at $39.99 and $59.99 for a collector's edition.
Shenmue is not dated (Well, maybe the graphics are, hah.), and no, the game wasn't 'unique and revolutionary for it's time but isn't any more.' There is still yet to be ONE game that replicates the feeling I get when I play Shenmue.
Yakuza 3? I don't know. Yakuza's kind of arrogant, while Shenmue's down to earth.
Yakuza 3? I don't know. Yakuza's kind of arrogant, while Shenmue's down to earth.
Sega1991 said:
That's a poor analogy since the Hulk is a recognizable character from a franchise with other successes.
Since most of the Sega fans are here already, how did Nights 2 do? I know it's not the greatest sequel, but it was a sequel to a game which was loved by its fans.
BlazeHedgehog
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No_Style said:
Sega did not expect NiGHTS 2 to do well, nor did they give proper funding or time to the project. Plus, y'know, SonicTeam.
AM2 on the other hand is still pretty consistent.
Unknown Soldier
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Why would we want a remake of Yu Suzuki's lengendary box-moving simulator game?
Guybrush Threepwood
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Unknown Soldier said:
I can tell you spent a lot of time playing Shenmue.
Unknown Soldier
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Guybrush Threepwood said:
Okay, you got me. I played it for about 4 hours or something and got so bored that I went back to Soul Calibur. No, you're never going to convince me that I have to finish the game before I can properly appreciate it. I have lots of other games which I need to play and not nearly enough time to play them at this point. I still keep my Dreamcast on a shelf in case I feel a need to play Skies of Arcadia, but my copy of Shenmue is eternally gathering dust.
Sega should not remake Shenmue because it is completely dated in my opinion. Have you tried playing it recently? It was great when it first came out but I don't think it has aged very well. Playing Yakuza reminds me a little of playing Shenmue, but it does everything Shenmue ever did that much better. That being said, I want Shenmue 3 to finish the story. Ryo Hazuki should "have his revenge."
Sega gets way too much hate here. Some of it is justified, but they still make and publish some great games. It is not entirely impossible for Sega to update the game play and finish the final chapters of this franchise. From what I remember, the story has already been written. I still have hope, but in the mean time I'll finish playing Yakuza 2 and hopefully be looking forward to a NA release of Yakuza 3.
Sega gets way too much hate here. Some of it is justified, but they still make and publish some great games. It is not entirely impossible for Sega to update the game play and finish the final chapters of this franchise. From what I remember, the story has already been written. I still have hope, but in the mean time I'll finish playing Yakuza 2 and hopefully be looking forward to a NA release of Yakuza 3.
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skyfinch
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My god! It's been years.
By now, Lan Di and Ryo have probably made up and are rubbing hot oil on each other's glistening bodies.
Fuku-san is probably in prison for stabbing that old ass Ine-san in the back of the ass.
They found Shen Hua's body in the river after she had slipped off the side of the mountain. Rabbit scat was found nearby.
The Great Chi is now a member of the Dobuita police force.
And that son of a bitch Wong legally changed his name to "Wang".
Now, do we really need to know anything else about Shenmue? Or can we just go back to getting our chins and lips plastered by Killzone 2 hype.
By now, Lan Di and Ryo have probably made up and are rubbing hot oil on each other's glistening bodies.
Fuku-san is probably in prison for stabbing that old ass Ine-san in the back of the ass.
They found Shen Hua's body in the river after she had slipped off the side of the mountain. Rabbit scat was found nearby.
The Great Chi is now a member of the Dobuita police force.
And that son of a bitch Wong legally changed his name to "Wang".
Now, do we really need to know anything else about Shenmue? Or can we just go back to getting our chins and lips plastered by Killzone 2 hype.
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