Wtf is your point?Shinjitsu said:Wow no really?
I think you missed the point.
Wtf is your point?Shinjitsu said:Wow no really?
I think you missed the point.
Vigilant Walrus said:How can it not be a contender?
Its like the only major release this year that had;
A) a great story
B) lived up to the hype
C) Just great outstanding gameplay. best real-time combat implantation in a "RPG" game.
ShockingAlberto said:Mass Effect 2 had fine combat.
ShockingAlberto said:Until a scion was on screen. Then it quickly became clear that it wasn't always adequate combat.
Fimbulvetr said:Oh yes, right. That's still a major problem.
segarr said:Wtf is your point?
stupei said:Wait, people are actually trashing Mass Effect 2 for its combat now?
Hint: the combat is not what was good about Red Dead either.
stupei said:Personally I think it could all work out, depending on where they go with the third one.
icarus-daedelus said:I predict Fallout: New Vegas will be my personal game of the year for being awesome and a huge improvement over Fallout 3 - first and most important in the choice of yellow rather than grey for the hazy color pallette. So much more pleasing to look at while beating up giant ants with a sledgehammer.
However, I'm guessing most GOTY awards will go to Read Dead Redemption or Mass Effect 2, in spite of their whole not coming out in fall deal.
Yeah, I'm just so stupid lol.Shinjitsu said:That my reply was just as stupid as his original post. It wasn't intended to be serious. But clearly you missed that.
Shinjitsu said:"oh you're a Spartan teh bad ass, oh u Spartans we named a lazer after u, u Spartan badass u save the galaxy we respect u so much...." Come the fuck on.
Fimbulvetr said:Well that would still make ME2 a bad story.
Kittonwy said:RDR combat actually has good weapon impact thanks to euthoria, ME2 combat can't decide between real weapon or pewpew.
Generic said:"Bad" is such a subjective term(,man). Not having much of a plot doesn't make a story bad. Watchmen didn't have a lot of plot, most of the time was spent exploring the psychology and backstory of the characters and setting. A story just needs to have something to compensate for the lack of plot. I'd say that ME2 did exactly that with awesome characters and unforgettable dialogue. Whether you agree that was enough to make up for the lack of plot is subjective.
Fimbulvetr said:The stupid beginning(Shepard dieing) and stupid ending(T1-Reaper) don't help.
Also very few of the characters are reeeeaaaaaally that good.
No its notGeneric said:I'd say that ME2 did exactly that with awesome characters and unforgettable dialogue.Whether you agree that was enough to make up for the lack of plot is subjective..
Fimbulvetr said:The stupid beginning(Shepard dieing) and stupid ending(T1-Reaper) don't help.
Also very few of the characters are reeeeaaaaaally that good.
stupei said:Dude.
Come on.
Personally, ME2's cast > ME1's cast. By a lot.And Elcor Hamlet is better than anything in either game.
Fimbulvetr said:Well duh ME2's cast is better.
After all, ME1's cast is only 2 characters, 3 info kiosks, and a *shudder* Kaidan.
ME2 has Mordin and Legion, and even the characters I don't care about as much are better than everyone in ME1 who isn't named Wrex or Ashely.
stupei said:Even ME2 Liara is better than the Liara in ME1.At least in the DLC.
Fimbulvetr said:The stupid beginning(Shepard dieing) and stupid ending(T1-Reaper) don't help.
Also very few of the characters are reeeeaaaaaally that good.
daxter01 said:No its not
Generic said:You'll have to expand on why either of those were stupid. Shepard dying was pure plot device, but when you are in a universe with as many technological advancements as ME, it doesn't break my suspension of disbelief that they can bring Shepard back from the dead. And it's not like it was easy either, they kept making a huge deal out of how it cost them billions and years of time, with no guarantee that it'd even work (iirc). As for the ending, if you're complaint about it was that it looked like the terminator, then I don't know what to tell you, because it's just a fucking design, who gives a fuck, seriously. Personally, I thought it was a great explanation for why the reapers do what they do.
Maybe you disagree, but you can't call this an objectively bad story.
Fimbulvetr said:And you can't call this an objectively good story.
Opinions are subjective! :O
Fimbulvetr said:The death thing is stupid because, even in setting where it's plausible, defying death(unless it has sever consequences) cheapens the weight of death.
Not to mention they expect us to believe that a large chunk of him survived atmospheric re-entry somehow.
I disagree, but I can accept that. My pet peeve would have been if they had made them too human, by making their motivation be one of greed or vengence of some sort.Fimbulvetr said:The reaper thing is just.... I actually can't really describe this one well. It just really rubs me the wrong way.
Generic said:Considering how you insistant you were on telling people that ME2 was a bad story, I wasn't sure you were aware.
Generic said:I was under the impression that they literally found him in space and brought him in.
Generic said:Anyway, I don't mind it in this case because there obviously were severe consequences, and with the amount of effort that it took to do it, they can't just have it done to anyone with a snap of a finger. This was a one time thing, and Shepards real lucky he's just that important.
Generic said:I disagree, but I can accept that. My pet peeve would have been if they had made them too human, by making their motivation be one of greed or vengence of some sort.So I think this is a great explanation for why they do what they do, giving them understandable reasons for doing it while still maintaining their godlike image.But it's reproduction, something every thing seems to strive for. Even God was lonely at some point and decided to make us.
fernoca said:There we go.
So someone likes Mass Effect 2 enough to declare it his/her own/personal choice for game of the year.What's wrong with that?
The thread is about predictions and personal choices.
fernoca said:But is like "Nah-ah! Your opinion is wrong, my opinion is right!!"
Some liked the story, some didn't. Some liked the gameplay, some didn't. But you not liking it, doesn't mean that everyone didn't.
Then others started talking about gameplay, story and dissecting the game.kai3345 said:What the fuck @ ppl saying ME2 as a major contender?
ME2 was good, but not GOTY good.
Fimbulvetr said:I'm sure of my opinion, oh noes.
Fimbulvetr said:Nope, shle hit a planet with shler face after being knocked toward it by an explosion and exposed to the vacuum of space.
What consequences?
I got that feeling off them. Besides the incredible power they wield, they feel as though they have access to knowledge you cannot fathom, and with how they areGodlike? Eh, whatever.
fernoca said:There we go.
So someone likes Mass Effect 2 enough to declare it his/her own/personal choice for game of the year.
What's wrong with that?
The thread is about predictions and personal choices.
But is like "Nah-ah! Your opinion is wrong, my opinion is right!!"
Some liked the story, some didn't. Some liked the gameplay, some didn't. But you not liking it, doesn't mean that everyone didn't.
fernoca said:Fimbulvetr, I wasn't even talking about you.
All this debacle about Mass Effect 2 started, because:
Then others started talking about gameplay, story and dissecting the game.
But hey, whatever.
Distress?Alarming? I'm fine. :lolFimbulvetr said:I really don't care if your were referring to me specifically. That people disagreeing with each other apparently causes you distress is alarming.
Wasn't talking about him (already said itGeneric said:What the kingdom hearts guy said. We're discussing our opinions civilly, neither getting angry or putting the other down, but not giving up our viewpoints either. I just think the way he's going about it is inefficient.
Generic said:I'm sure as fuck that I want to slap each and every single person in here who placed it ahead of Bayonetta.
But if there is one thing I've learned, it's utterly pointless to do nothing but quote people and tell them they are wrong for not agreeing with your opinion. If you want to make an argument for why ME2 doesn't deserve GotY, go ahead. That's actual discussion. Simply screaming YOUR WRONG! at people every time they answer ME2 is wasted space.
Well, consequences for Cerberus anyway. They spent BILLIONS of credits and years trying to revive me when that money could have gone to other things, possibly more efficient things...and in the end, I ended up screwing Cerberus anyway, so the Illusive man got kind of boned there. His huge project, and now it's gone.
I got that feeling off them. Besides the incredible power they wield, they feel as though they have access to knowledge you cannot fathom, and with how they are , I can totally buy that. They are certainly more godlike than the retards at Mt. Olympus.
Fimbulvetr said:I.... I think I love you.
Fimbulvetr said:I have never once posted on GAF under the delusion that my opinion is absolute. People shouldn't have to sugarcoat that they think(THEY THINK I said) someone else is wrong for disagreeing with them. That is the very nature of differing opinions. Now if someone called you stupid for believing in something or whatever, sure they suck.
Fimbulvetr said:I meant consequences for the person being revived: Zombification, memory loss, maybe the resurrection isn't permanent?
Besides, Cerberus is he 3rd most rich and powerful organization in the galaxy; it never really seemed like a big deal.
Fimbulvetr said:They're a force to be reckoned with for sure but after two game's they feel less threatening, you know? At least an individual reaper.
Generic said:That's not what I'm talking about. Go ahead and be as blunt as you like, but what is the point of post 636? You're not going to accomplish anything by doing that. No one is going to be convinced by that post that maybe the ME2 story wasn't as great as they thought it was or that their opinion might need re-evaluation. There are already others who said that ME2 didn't deserve the crown, so you're not saying anything that others haven't already said. Your post there was literally a +1 for the "ME2 is not GotY" camp. If you wanted to really express your opinon, why not give your reasons as to why you thought that person was wrong and make an actual discussion out of it instead?
The cost was so huge that even they were hit hard by the costs of it. But yes, I'll concede that the resurrection could have been handled better. Still, Shepards biggest loss would be the years he spent away. Most of his relationships have been worn down into remnants of what they once were, and he's stuck working in a terrorist organization that he (depending on your Shepard) venomously hates, being manipulated at every turn by this shady asshole.
The first reaper had to be beat down with literally the entire human armada at every angle when it was at a vulnerable position along with the most advance ship in the galaxy. The 2nd reaper was defeated more easily, but that reaperSo yeah, they are still carrying the impression of immense power and I was indeed shitting brickswasn't even an infant, it was a fetus that was still developing.showed up.when a whole fleet of them
Yes. Now. At 1:20 am. When I have class in the morning. You could have made your case in the beginning, in which case I probably wouldn't have posted trying to get you to elaborate on your reasoning for your feelings on ME2. Just would have saved me some trouble, you know?Fimbulvetr said:He made ME2 seem like some perfect masterpiece. Could I have elaborated? Yeah, but we're already doing that now aren't we?
Well, it's not like Shepard is immortal now. He's still going to die at some point. People have been delaying death for a while now anyway. With future technology, the average human in Mass Effect now lives to be 150 on average. Death will still get his due, he just needs to wait a bit longer.Fimbulvetr said:No, but I mean consequences that make it apparent that death can't be cheated(whether in a literal of philosophical sense). Shep's girlfriend/boyfriend breaking up with him doesn't cut it.
Fimbulvetr said:I guess, but you just know the battle against millions of them will end up underwhelming in some way.
Generic said:Yes. Now. At 1:20 am. When I have class in the morning. You could have made your case in the beginning, in which case I probably wouldn't have posted trying to get you to elaborate on your reasoning for your feelings on ME2. Just would have saved me some trouble, you know?
Generic said:Well, it's not like Shepard is immortal now. He's still going to die at some point. People have been delaying death for a while now anyway. With future technology, the average human in Mass Effect now lives to be 150 on average. Death will still get his due, he just needs to wait a bit longer.
Generic said:I don't know what the fuck they can do to survive. The only possible advantage humanity has is that they have that outline of the Reaper Facility, but otherwise, we are now facing the invading force of hundreds of Gods when the majority of the galaxy is still divided over their personal squabbles. But I didn't expect Bioware to come up with a godlike, but still understandable reason for Reaper motivations, so I'm willing to wait and see before I call bullshit on them.
Fimbulvetr said:Not my fault you're irresponsible.![]()
Fimbulvetr said:But shle already died, that's my point.
Tricky I Shadow said:Judging by this thread, it looks like GAFs GOTY is gonna be Red Dead Redemption
Did you work on Alpha Protocol?the walrus said:The only thing Mass Effect 2 was good at was exposing the massive flaws in creating a game that tries to carry over choices from the previous game and the dangers of listening to all the wrong people. Let's scrap the shit inventory system, the RPG elements, and the epic overarching story. BioWare's myopic philosophy on game design seems to be that if it was broke, scrap it, and that if you're working on improving one thing, ignore (or scrap) everything else. The shooting is better, that much is undeniable - but even good shooting mechanics is pointless when the level design is some of the most insipid, uninspired garbage I've ever seen in third person shooters (cut and paste levels everywhere, linear to the extreme, and so blatantly compartmentalized it was depressing) and the enemies are almost all bullet sponges and extremely boring to fight. The characters, were, for the most part better - but I prefer quality over quantity, and the game fell apart when it came to variety for that simple reason; the entire game devolved into recruiting -> loyalty mission. Then repeat with a different character. Again. And again. Combined with the horribly repetitive level design, now the story is getting repetitive. And while we're at it, let's just hit the reset button on everything too and create a self-contained story just to rub in the fact that your choices matter to the extent that we recorded an extra line of dialogue or two and we added email into the game.
They wanted their Empire Strikes Back. They failed miserably. It does not deserve to be a GOTY contender. You want a truly great game that merges TPS and RPG well, and makes some bold choices with Choice and Consequences? Oh and you want a kick-ass plot and great characters? If their QA team wasn't so goddamn incompetent and Obsidian was given the time to finish their fucking games (and since it's made by Obsidian, it, for some reason, automatically generates ridiculous amounts of unwarranted hate), Alpha Protocol would be everyone's GOTY in Mass Effect 2's stead.