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[sprsk]

Not in so many words. I just expected this forum's adminitration to conduct themselves in a more responsible manner. I thought GAF prided in the fact they were home to so many industry insiders yet civil discourse was cockblocked by the admin themselves. Its more than dissapointing.

Just change the title of this place to NeoGamefaqs and be done with it.

Youve got alot to learn!

 

[thetrin]

Thetrin to be fair i never played the original psx version, Ive only played MGSTT.

Fuck, no wonder. It may not have the same impact if you play it now, but at the time, it was one of the best games on PSX. Probably a good idea to hunt it down and play it anyway.

 

[Trident]

Not in so many words. I just expected this forum's adminitration to conduct themselves in a more responsible manner. I thought GAF prided in the fact they were home to so many industry insiders yet civil discourse was cockblocked by the admin themselves. Its more than dissapointing.

Just change the title of this place to NeoGamefaqs and be done with it.

Someone never played Twin Snakes.

 

[Speevy]

If you're involved in the process of making games, I have as much respect for you as I have for anyone doing something interesting that I will never be able to do myself. That is, a great deal.

 

[sprsk]

Really? Then explain the miziguchi lovefest found at gaf, even in the face of mediocre tripe (99 nights).

You should probably read my sentence again? And doesnt N3 come out tomorrow?

 

[Duderz]

Really? Then explain the miziguchi lovefest found at gaf, even in the face of mediocre tripe (99 nights).

PS- Too Human is going to be GOTY so you better got on the bandwagon before you are left behind!

Rez > Silicon Knights.

But, shock, I can enjoy them both!

 

[Ark-AMN]

Someone never played Twin Snakes.

I still want to hear what specifically is wrong with the game other than it doesn't live up to the original.

I personally don't like the Metal Gear series at all, but I didn't think the game was a complete abortion like everyone here makes it out to be, while not blaming Konami for any of it either (Kojima was still overseeing it).

 

[thetrin]

Really? Then explain the miziguchi lovefest found at gaf, even in the face of mediocre tripe (99 nights).

I remember duckroll, Bebpo and Jonnyram running the 99 nights demo into the ground. The Mizuguchi lovefest is reserved to Lumines and Rez, which are both absolutely amazing games.

 

[Mrbob]

You should probably read my sentence again? And doesnt N3 come out tomorrow?

I think I read it but perhaps you should read it again?

Rez > Silicon Knights.

But, shock, I can enjoy them both!

*golf clap*

 

[Error]

I still want to hear what specifically is wrong with the game other than it doesn't live up to the original.

I personally don't like the Metal Gear series at all, but I didn't think the game was a complete abortion like everyone here makes it out to be, while not blaming Konami for any of it either (Kojima was still overseeing it).

I was under the impression that SK only handled the technical aspect of the game like the engine and graphics... and that Konami handled everything else?... I'm probably wrong though.

 

[PhatSaqs]

GAF = the new usenet...

 

[sprsk]

I think I read it but perhaps you should read it again.



*golf clap*

Here let me rephrase "not everyone is totally enveloped in hero worship, so not everyone will be like you mister arkamn."

And bob you should know not to judge a game by its demo. One of the most celebrated xbox games on this forum (riddick) had an awful demo.

 

[thetrin]

The biggest problem with TT was that the inclusion of FP shooting made bosses like Psycho Mantis and Revolver Ocelot so much easier than they originally were. I enjoyed the Kitamura cutscenes, but something about the way it looked made it feel like a chopped up MGS2 shoe horned into MGS...which is what it really ended up being. It was unbalanced, and in parts, way too easy.

 

[BigBoss]

I was under the impression that SK only handled the technical aspect of the game like the engine and graphics... and that Konami handled everything else?... I'm probably wrong though.

Kojima's team only handled the cutscenes which were the worst part of the game, damn Kitamura.

 

[Mrbob]

Here let me rephrase "not everyone is totally enveloped in hero worship, so not everyone will be like you mister arkamn."

And bob you should know not to judge a game by its demo. One of the most celebrated xbox games on this forum (riddick) had an awful demo.

The truth is out on the game already. Between the shoddy demo and the lackluster famitsu score compiled with complaints stemming from the demo (no ai), equals a shoddy gameplay experience. But I'm sure it'll be pimped to greatness because miziguchi is involved and nothing he touches could be bad. Only one more day left to fall on the "It isn't the final version!" excuse.

 

[Amir0x]

I hope Dyack and SK owns all you haters when Too Human comes out

Just for the record, I'm not a Too Human hater. It's currently one of my most anticipated next-gen games. I'm just funin'.

 

[Dan]

i think people are going overboard with the hate because they know he's reading/posting here so they get some sort of e-thrill talking shit about games.

You need to do some serious scanning of past threads because there have been many discussions that have been filled with far more hatred for Eternal Darkness and/or MGS: The Twin Snakes and none of that had anything to do with a notion that Dyack might be reading.

 

[Tellaerin]

Given the "quality" of plots found in most if not all Japanese games, I'd say maybe western developers know their own limitations.

I'd still prefer to see developers taking a stab at giving their games meaningful plots instead of just throwing their hands in the air and saying 'fuck it', even if the results don't always meet the standards of the esteemed judges here at NeoGAF.

 

[Danthrax]

Kojima's team only handled the cutscenes which were the worst part of the game, damn Kitamura.

WTF, I really enjoyed the cutscenes in TS.

Spoiler

Would playing the PSone version have an impact on my enjoyment of TS's cutscenes? [runs]

 

[Cheerilee]

Classic. People love to hate around here. I especially laughed at the point where ruby_onix "Actually, … paraphrased some…" interviews “a bit” which continued with a tirade from MrSandonic accusing the forum of “not reading” (LOL – nice find), finally ending with Mike Works’ Tourette’s syndrome grand finale.

Some of you are very "special".

:lol

Heh. I just didn't know how to react to Mike's reaction to my post. These guys are scary sometimes.

 

[sprsk]

The truth is out on the game already. Between the shoddy demo and the lackluster famitsu score compiled with complaints stemming from the demo (no ai), equals a shoddy gameplay experience. But I'm sure it'll be pimped to greatness because miziguchi is involved and nothing he touches could be bad. Only one more day left to fall on the "It isn't the final version!" excuse.

Well im getting the game tomorrow so ill post impressions. As a DW fan i will try to give the most honest impressions i can. Cause even though i love REZ Lumines and sega rally I did not enjoy the demo for n3 the first time around.

 

[BigBoss]

WTF, I really enjoyed the cutscenes in TS.

Spoiler

Would playing the PSone version have an impact on my enjoyment of TS's cutscenes? [runs]

Probably its not that they're bad they just show Snake as having Neo-like powers when he doesn't have these abilities in any of the other games, they just don't flow well with the rest of the series.

 

[White Man]

Between the shoddy demo and the lackluster famitsu score compiled with complaints stemming from the demo (no ai), equals a shoddy gameplay experience.

That demo was released quite a bit in advance of the final game, and Famitsu scores mean shit. Nintendogs, anyone?

I still want to hear what specifically is wrong with the game other than it doesn't live up to the original.

It was a lazy port. It's visuals didn't match MGS2s and while it did add in all the gameplay additions of MGS2, they were all either useless or game breaking. If you're going to introduce first person aiming, ledge hanging, and hold-ups into the game, you have to <shock> redesign the game around those elements.

The cutscenes were also crap, and the voice acting was subpar as far as MGS games go, but that's apparently Konami's fault.

I don't think it would've been very difficult for them to hit a dinger with a remake of a game that was limited by the technology of the day when it originally came out. As it stands, I wonder if SK spent more than a day playtesting Twin Snakes. It takes like a half hour to get to one of the most broken moments in the game - the Ocelot fight. Didn't anyone say, "Hey, this is really easy now?"

 

[Ark-AMN]

Well, blame that on Kitamura, not Denis or SK. In fact, blame it on Kojima for allowing Kitamura to direct the game.

 

[TheDuce22]

I think everyone should keep this thread in mind next time Kutaragi starts spouting out nonsense, which is basically the next time he touches a mic.

 

[sprsk]

That demo was released quite a bit in advance of the final game, and Famitsu scores mean shit. Nintendogs, anyone?

Im pretty sure the demo is the same as the first playable tgs demo.

 

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Spoiler

Would playing the PSone version have an impact on my enjoyment of TS's cutscenes? [runs]

Yes? No? Who knows. The cutscenes in TS are different (i.e. new camera angles, new dialogue, etc.) but the differences aren't that dramatic, imo. My major qualm was the opening cinema of TS when compared to the orginal on the PS. The PS cinema was just a hell of a lot better. Torpedos FTW.

The problem with going back and playing the PS version is that it's not 1998 anymore. The graphics haven't aged very well so it's not going to seem very impressive anyway.

 

[BigBoss]

Well, blame that on Kitamura, not Denis or SK. In fact, blame it on Kojima for allowing Kitamura to direct the game.

I do, I have no problems with Denis Dyack or Silicon Knights, my beef with TTS resides solely on the shoulders of Kojima and Kitamura.

 

[ronito]

I blame Kitamura for Eternal Darkness while I'm at it.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I played the original MGS and then the remake on Gamecube many years after. I thought Twin Snakes was pretty dammed good. I would agree that it didn't fully live up to its potential though.

Graphically, it was on par with MGS2 but it didn't really take advantage of the cubes superior hardware. The gameplay was like a 50/50 mixture between MGS and MGS2. Its like playing MGS2 without the crappy storyline and stupid mullet hairstyle.

I thought the new cutscenes were really entertaining. Some of them might have been and little too over-the-top (Snake jumping on missiles) but overall, they were far better than the ones found in the original.

Twin Snakes is definately worth picking up if you can find a copy.

 

[White Man]

I blame Kitamura for Eternal Darkness while I'm at it.

Well, we'll have Dyack eat him, or whatever portion of Kitamura he can fit into his stapled stomach.

Some of them might have been and little too over-the-top (Snake jumping on missiles) but overall, they were far better than the ones found in the original.

lolz

 

[SolidSnakex]

I think everyone should keep this thread in mind next time Kutaragi starts spouting out nonsense, which is basically the next time he touches a mic.

There's already a thread about that. But then again Kutaragi is also responsible for the 2 best selling consoles of all time so people cut him a break.

 

[White Man]

There's already a thread about that. But then again Kutaragi is also responsible for the 2 best selling consoles of all time so people cut him a break.

But also keep in mind people are swallowing the exact same promises that he trotted out for PS2 (ONLINE! LUNIX! HARD DRIVE!). The Sony dolt fanboys eat it up, again.

 

[TheDuce22]

There's already a thread about that. But then again Kutaragi is also responsible for the 2 best selling consoles of all time so people cut him a break.

Yeah and Eternal Darkness is one of the highest rated games on gamecube.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

lolz

I think you are seeing the past with rose tinted glasses.

 

[thetrin]

I enjoyed the over-the-top Kitamura directed cutscenes. It was more like a supplementary game to the original, rather than a replacement.

 

[White Man]

I think you are seeing the past with rose tinted glasses.

I'll take the low poly models and great voice acting over the MGS 1.5 models and crap voice acting any day. MGS presented a nice little spy drama, and the cutscenes in Twin Snakes resembled nothing more than anime crap. Yes, I understand that the whole MGS series has anime underpinnings, but it's actually palpable if they are understated. If the Twin Snakes were the first MGS game released, I would largely not be interested in the series since competent storytelling is such a large part of it.

 

[ronito]

Yeah and Eternal Darkness is one of the highest rated games on gamecube.

No offense, but being one of the highest rated gamecube games is like being one of the smartest guys named Quezatalipo jr. When there's only like 50 it's not hard to be one of the highest rated. Heck, you could do it with advertising alone.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I'll take the low poly models and great voice acting over the MGS 1.5 models and crap voice acting any day. MGS presented a nice little spy drama, and the cutscenes in Twin Snakes resembled nothing more than anime crap. Yes, I understand that the whole MGS series has anime underpinnings, but it's actually palpable if they are understated. If the Twin Snakes were the first MGS game released, I would largely not be interested in the series since competent storytelling is such a large part of it.

Crap voice acting? Theres barely any difference.

You think the original is more palpable than the remake? The original may have been more understated but NO MGS game has ever been realistic and the remake is as much a spy drama as the first game.

....and why are you taking a shot at anime?

 

[davidjaffe]

You guys didn't run me off...I've been here the whole time, just reaidng and lurking

And Dennis, don't let the haters get you down. With some of them, you just can't win. And I really mean that. I mean, I still get people telling me I'm overrated like it's some kind of insult when I've been fucking telling THEM that I'm overrated for over a year. I mean, do you haters think I actually think I am as talented as Kojima and/or Miyamoto? Do you guys think we don't KNOW that GOD OF WAR is not meant to stand toe to toe (combat mechanics wise) with DMC and NG? Hell, tell me something I don't know...like why your mom's twat was so fucking loose last night. That's info I'm looking for, you know?

But yeah, It's hard to get some of the haters to see that I don't really care. What am I going to do, stop making games because some people don't like me or my work? It would seem that is the goal for them as they put so much time into typing up the L'll insults n stuff....

...but I dig GAF...it's a fun place. And alot of the guys/gals here are really nice and supportive (even if they don't dig my work). So to those guys, I say thanks!

But to all of you douchbag name callers, bring it on baby

David

 

[sprsk]

You guys didn't run me off...I've been here the whole time, just reaidng and lurking

And Dennis, don't let the haters get you down. With some of them, you just can't win. And I really mean that. I mean, I still get people telling me I'm overrated like it's some kind of insult when I've been fucking telling THEM that I'm overrated for over a year. I mean, do you haters think I actually think I am as talented as Kojima and/or Miyamoto? Do you guys think we don't KNOW that GOD OF WAR is not meant to stand toe to toe (combat mechanics wise) with DMC and NG? Hell, tell me something I don't know...like why your mom's twat was so fucking loose last night. That's info I'm looking for, you know?

But yeah, It's hard to get some of the haters to see that I don't really care. What am I going to do, stop making games because some people don't like me or my work? It would seem that is the goal for them as they put so much time into typing up the L'll insults n stuff....

...but I dig GAF...it's a fun place. And alot of the guys/gals here are really nice and supportive (even if they don't dig my work). So to those guys, I say thanks!

But to all of you douchbag name callers, bring it on baby

David

Add another 6 pages. And GOW is better than NG.

 

[theREBELins]

GOW > NG

 

[Error]

:lol at jaffe's reply awesome I love this place.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

You guys didn't run me off...I've been here the whole time, just reaidng and lurking

And Dennis, don't let the haters get you down. With some of them, you just can't win. And I really mean that. I mean, I still get people telling me I'm overrated like it's some kind of insult when I've been fucking telling THEM that I'm overrated for over a year. I mean, do you haters think I actually think I am as talented as Kojima and/or Miyamoto? Do you guys think we don't KNOW that GOD OF WAR is not meant to stand toe to toe (combat mechanics wise) with DMC and NG? Hell, tell me something I don't know...like why your mom's twat was so fucking loose last night. That's info I'm looking for, you know?

But yeah, It's hard to get some of the haters to see that I don't really care. What am I going to do, stop making games because some people don't like me or my work? It would seem that is the goal for them as they put so much time into typing up the L'll insults n stuff....

...but I dig GAF...it's a fun place. And alot of the guys/gals here are really nice and supportive (even if they don't dig my work). So to those guys, I say thanks!

But to all of you douchbag name callers, bring it on baby

David

david can i have a job at Sony? i have some ideas about titties you NEED to hear.

 

[Speevy]

 

[Error]

haha

 

[thetrin]

...but I dig GAF...it's a fun place. And alot of the guys/gals here are really nice and supportive (even if they don't dig my work). So to those guys, I say thanks!

But to all of you douchbag name callers, bring it on baby

David

Fuck yes. Jaffe, you just made my thread a bigger success.

Fuck the haters. Make what you're burning to make, and get on with it. You wouldn't be able to please them anyway.

 

[neptunes]

Oh man this thread is just getting started

 

[thetrin]

GOW > NG

So fucking true. Ninja Gaiden is a good game, but when you have 6 weapons, and only one is worth using, you've got a serious problem.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

GOW > NG

God of War is better than just about everything.