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[MThanded]

His take on the Gamespot review is way off base. He's basically suggesting that scores of 5.5 should only be reserved for games which offer nothing more than a functional engine (that is, the game itself is garbage, but it has a working title screen, runs without crashing, etc.). That's complete bullshit as it basically would suggest that their review scale should be 5.5-10 rather than 1-10.

Yeah see this is what I was thinking. Like a 5.5 should mean its halfway between good and bad. Just because its not a movie licensed title does not give it an automatic review score baseline. The internet drama has gone too far. Too human has sparked a gaming war. Maybe this is part of a bigger plan. If anything all the negative press the game has got will probably help it because the truth is press is press.

 

[eznark]

Kittonwy knows what's going on most of the time. The whole other thing is basically an act.

you reap what you sow. When you act like a goof 85% of the time it's tough to be taken seriously the other 15%. Just ask the Ultimate Warrior

 

[drakesfortune]

The point is that the Dyack followers are saying that the review scores don't matter, as the 7.5s and 5.5s were bouncing off, but the 4 is the final blow that sinks the game.

Haven't followed the actual scores enough to know where the actual 4 comes from (Only 4 the OP shows is a 4/5, and I can't check Gamerankings from this comp), but that's what it looks like to me.

Yeah, and Dyack's statue head and the throwing of the 4 takes place on the ship. When the Dyack head cracks, it starts the ship on fire and ship sinks and the fans bail.

Also I think there may be a little dual meaning with the 4 and the for or against. Maybe I'm reading into it too much though. Either way, I think it's funny, it was just hard to tell that the whole thing was taking place on the ship, so it seemed a bit out of place.

 

[wayward archer]

Kevin basically gave a long list of problems, why was he defending it again?

Yeah see it's possible to like something and still recognize its flaws.

People have different tolerance levels for different things.

 

[scitek]

For "badassness" and blingbling?

If you want to play an action game to feel like a badass, aren't there better alternatives out there? DMC4? NG2? God of War 2? God Hand?

Not this.

EDIT: I don't think the review sites would be scoring the game so harshly if Dyack weren't so vocal. The low scores are generating buzz, hence they 5.5...oops, I mean exist.

 

[drakesfortune]

http://api.seesmic.com/#/video/bC3G2bh7jy/watch

Is this new or old?

Kevin is calling the haters out. Directly citing the gamespot review. He says that it will shake the taint out of my shorts.

Seesmic what gives I cant tell when this video was posted.

That reminds me of those videos of 7 to 12 year olds on Youtube where they defend the PS3 or 360. Chadwardin, I'm looking at you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru-pJxYmnUw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mxnpXFgiM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihiCrB9O6I4&feature=related

Okay, it's not that bad, but you know what I mean.

 

[Francias Castiglione]

Not this.

EDIT: I don't think the review sites would be scoring the game so harshly if Dyack weren't so vocal. The low scores are generating buzz, hence they 5.5...oops, I mean exist.

Ninja Gaiden 2 doesn't make you feel like a badass? Sure there is a learning curve but it rewards in spades when you "get it".

 

[ringlord]

Yeah see this is what I was thinking. Like a 5.5 should mean its halfway between good and bad. Just because its not a movie licensed title does not give it an automatic review score baseline. The internet drama has gone too far. Too human has sparked a gaming war. Maybe this is part of a bigger plan. If anything all the negative press the game has got will probably help it because the truth is press is press.

Maybe a 5.5 should mean average, but it doesn't. It means a shit game. Very few games get 1-4 on such a scale. Most everything is 6-10, with 7 to 8 being interpreted as 'average'.

Just look at the hoots and hollers in this thread about the 5.5 score. Everyone takes that to mean a shit game.

Personally, I think 1up's letter grades and giantbomb's stars are a better way to go about scoring games, especially if such places aren't afraid to hand out D's and one- or two-star reviews.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Mass Effect's shitty inventory didn't stop it from being a great game either.

Don't you EVER compared this pile of shit to Mass Effect!

 

[scitek]

Ninja Gaiden 2 doesn't make you feel like a badass? Sure there is a learning curve but it rewards in spades when you "get it".

No, it did, but I thought the first game did a better job of it for various reasons. I'd recommend that one. The original on the Xbox, not Black or Sigma, I didn't like the changes made in those.

 

[JimtotheHum]

http://api.seesmic.com/#/video/bC3G2bh7jy/watch

Is this new or old?

Kevin is calling the haters out. Directly citing the gamespot review. He says that it will shake the taint out of my shorts.

Seesmic what gives I cant tell when this video was posted.

where is he broadcasting from, his mom's basement?! and this is the guy that gets to juggle Olivia Munns boobies?!

the world isnt fair. I just found this out. Just now.

 

[lsslave]

Don't you EVER compared this pile of shit to Mass Effect!

Mass Effect is not as great of a game as you seem to think, BioWare is a great company but their unique IPs have never been that great... they can write great stories just kind of suck at creating lore >.<

As for Too Human, the fact of the matter is the game doesn't have the fun factor, I am almost positive that some of the people who are on the 'pro' side are gonna buy the game just to say they got it and will swear up and down they love it. I remember when I was in my hardcore Nintendo fanboy days and swearing the Wii was the greatest thing in the entire world, so much potential lost... but we are at least getting some great third party games on it ^^

 

[SlasherJPC]

As for Too Human, the fact of the matter is the game doesn't have the fun factor, I am almost positive that some of the people who are on the 'pro' side are gonna buy the game just to say they got it and will swear up and down they love it.

Your trying to validate other peoples views on a game which are in fact steming from your own views? Come on now. Thanks for generalizing everyone that ever has "fun" with Too Human. Sure you say some people...but that could be said about anygame with a fanbase.

 

[Timber]

Mass Effect is not as great of a game as you seem to think, BioWare is a great company but their unique IPs have never been that great... they can write great stories just kind of suck at creating lore >.<

I see this as a good thing.

 

[lsslave]

Your trying to validate other peoples views on a game which are in fact steming from your own views? Come on now. Thanks for generalizing everyone that ever has "fun" with Too Human.

I said SOME of the people, SOME!

Some people enjoy the Imagine games, and to be honest I have had to suffer through playing one once (don't ask me why) and there is literally no fun factor, but people enjoy it, so its their thing.

I am just stating that SOME of the people are going to swear its great just out of spite at this point. In terms of fun factor, I just don't see any fun factor in Too Human, but then again I think Blast Works was highly overrated and not worth my 40$ (I don't like that in your custom levels you have to have that lame collect thing going on ;.

 

[SlasherJPC]

I said SOME of the people, SOME!

Some people enjoy the Imagine games, and to be honest I have had to suffer through playing one once (don't ask me why) and there is literally no fun factor, but people enjoy it, so its their thing.

I am just stating that SOME of the people are going to swear its great just out of spite at this point. In terms of fun factor, I just don't see any fun factor in Too Human, but then again I think Blast Works was highly overrated and not worth my 40$ (I don't like that in your custom levels you have to have that lame collect thing going on ;.

I just fixed my post before reading your reply but I'll add some more here. I believe that can be applied to any game with a fanbase. Also specifically people that tend to only buy a few games in a year for whatever reasons. I can see that happen. There stuck with it. Its all they got. They gotta enjoy it as much as they can. (I've seen this happen before to a friend of mine.)

This definetly doesn't apply to people who are privy to buying/playing many many games. They would have no reason to swear up and down they enjoy something especially when they have so much at their fingertips. Anyways just something I thought I'd mention.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I said SOME of the people, SOME!

Some people enjoy the Imagine games, and to be honest I have had to suffer through playing one once (don't ask me why) and there is literally no fun factor, but people enjoy it, so its their thing.

I am just stating that SOME of the people are going to swear its great just out of spite at this point. In terms of fun factor, I just don't see any fun factor in Too Human, but then again I think Blast Works was highly overrated and not worth my 40$ (I don't like that in your custom levels you have to have that lame collect thing going on ;.

I cannot fathom how someone could believe that someone else would flaunt their preference for and enjoyment of Too Human in spite of their actual internal appraisal of the game.

On NeoGAF.

Right now.

I mean, seriously. Are you serious?

 

[Pimpbaa]

Mass Effect is not as great of a game as you seem to think, BioWare is a great company but their unique IPs have never been that great... they can write great stories just kind of suck at creating lore >.<

No, Mass Effect is awesome. BioWare did a fantastic job at creating lore for that game.

 

[lsslave]

I cannot fathom how someone could believe that someone else would flaunt their preference for and enjoyment of Too Human in spite of their actual internal appraisal of the game.

On NeoGAF.

Right now.

I mean, seriously. Are you serious?

Yes I am serious, for example growing up one of my few games I owned was TMNT 1 for the NES, and nostalgia told me it was a good game so i downloaded it on the VC

Its not a good game, its terrible and too hard and glitchy, I beat Megaman and Final Fantasy 1 on the NES when I was a little little kid and to this day I can't clear this game, they suck the fun out of it, but if you asked me this 10 years ago I would tell you it was one of the best games in the world.

People will believe whatever the hell they make themselves believe.

Edit:

No, Mass Effect is awesome. BioWare did a fantastic job at creating lore for that game.

Really? I kind of found it to be one of the weakest games BioWare has ever made :/

 

[Shins]

Are you serious?

Cognitive dissonance.

 

[wayward archer]

I am just stating that SOME of the people are going to swear its great just out of spite at this point.

I am sure there are people who want to like this game so much that they convince themselves that they do. Just like i'm sure that some people let their hate for Dyack get in the way of them approaching this game with an open mind and maybe even liking it. Happens with any game.

To think that it's happening on a large scale is delusional, though.

 

[Quagm1r3]

Sheesh! These reviews are all over the place!

With scores like these, buying is way too risky. Looks like a rent to me.

 

[FrankT]

You might as well be talking to an actual cat for all the difference it makes.

:lol

Bu, bu, bu, but lower than Haze.

 

[Kittonwy]

I am sure there are people who want to like this game so much that they convince themselves that they do. Just like i'm sure that some people let their hate for Dyack get in the way of them approaching this game with an open mind and maybe even liking it. Happens with any game.

To think that it's happening on a large scale is delusional, though.

Seriously, play the demo once.

Then go play some decent action games like DMC, NG and God of War.

Come back and tell me whether you actually like the demo that much.

 

[lsslave]

I am sure there are people who want to like this game so much that they convince themselves that they do. Just like i'm sure that some people let their hate for Dyack get in the way of them approaching this game with an open mind and maybe even liking it. Happens with any game.

To think that it's happening on a large scale is delusional, though.

Now this is a point I can agree with, I attempted to like this game and avoid the hate (he pushed too far) but damn did the demo just... well I think the demo did more damage to my sale than anything...

But many GAFfers will avoid this game, then again the horrible reviews aren't helping him make his case at all (I know, 5, mid zone, not terrible, but game reviews are on a 5-10 scale whether we like it or not, anything below that is just atrocious)

 

[Pimpbaa]

Really? I kind of found it to be one of the weakest games BioWare has ever made :/

Yes really! If you think Jade Empire is better than Mass effect, I'm gonna stab you with a rusty spoon!

 

[lsslave]

Yes really! If you think Jade Empire is better than Mass effect, I'm gonna stab you with a rusty spoon!

notice the "est" on the end of weak? lol sorry ^^

but again, you just pointed out another original IP from BioWare that does not live up to their standard!

 

[wayward archer]

Seriously, play the demo once.

Then go play some decent action games like DMC, NG and God of War.

Come back and tell me whether you actually like the demo that much.

Played all those games. Have most of the achievements in NG2. Beat God of War 2 on Titan mode. I still like the demo.

Not everyone has the same tastes as you. Sorry.

Do you even realize that this game is not trying to be those games? Borrowing elements from, sure... but this is not Ninja Gaiden meets Diablo. It's Too Human. Accept it for what it is to you, good or bad, and move on with your life.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Seriously, play the demo once.

Then go play some decent action games like DMC, NG and God of War.

Come back and tell me whether you actually like the demo that much.

Sorry, but this is just back to the ridiculous attacks on people who enjoyed it. You can't say "That fun you had wasn't really fun, it was fake fun. Try these clearly more fun games and then think about the fun you had and you'll realize it wasn't real fun."

 

[xS1TH L0RDx]

Yes really! If you think Jade Empire is better than Mass effect, I'm gonna stab you with a rusty spoon!

I was just going to say Jade Empire was more fun, then I read this comment. *shruggs* Glad I got my Tetanus shot!

 

[Son of Godzilla]

Seriously, play the demo once.

Then go play some decent action games like DMC, NG and God of War.

Come back and tell me whether you actually like the demo that much.

hey loook, im kittnwnyneoo whooooooo~ooooo hhhh

 

[diffusionx]

Really? I kind of found it to be one of the weakest games BioWare has ever made :/

Mass Effect had a lot of problems, but its lore wasn't one of them. I am thinking more inventory, side quest (the side quest stories were good though), technical problems, and some dodgy combat. There is some backstory work to do with the 2nd game, though. Of course. As for this game... I am really surprised its so grubby. Hopefully Too Human 2 delivers, but I am not waiting for it like I did with TH1.

 

[ksamedi]

In my opinion Mass Effect is average at best and Too Human beats the crap out of it in terms of entertainment (judging from only the demo).

 

[Flynn]

"That fun you had wasn't really fun, it was fake fun."

It's called masochism.

 

[timetokill]

Mass Effect's shitty inventory didn't stop it from being a great game either.

I actually stopped playing Mass Effect because of the horrible inventory system. I had gone through about half of the game, then started over on a new hard drive (long story) and got to about the same area and stopped. Every time I think I want to play again, I just think about how I have to go through that crappy inventory and shop stuff and I think I'd rather play something else, like Galaxy or Halo or something.

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

It's called masochism.

Nah, that's 6 hours straight in Temple Of Enlightenment. Once I switched to Iso, the demo was legitimately fun.

 

[Chrange]

Seriously, play the demo once.

Then go play some decent action games like DMC, NG and God of War.

Come back and tell me whether you actually like the demo that much.

The RPG elements in DMC, NG, and God of War kind of suck ass though. The loot is a joke compared to Too Human as well.

Maybe you should play Too Human, then try those obviously flawed games.

 

[lsslave]

The RPG elements in DMC, NG, and God of War kind of suck ass though. The loot is a joke compared to Too Human as well.

Maybe you should play Too Human, then try those obviously flawed games.

Well at this point your just drawing straws, at this point your just stating the jack of all trades master of none thing, which would only incline someone to go play 2 separate amazing games than 1 that has mediocrity trying to combine the 2

There are games that have managed to splice 2 genres together and did amazing (Puzzle Quest for example) so its not like its impossible to imagine a GOOD game out of this.

 

[Kittonwy]

The RPG elements in DMC, NG, and God of War kind of suck ass though. The loot is a joke compared to Too Human as well.

Maybe you should play Too Human, then try those obviously flawed games.

With DMC, NG and God of War most of the moves you get end up being relatively useful, with DMC it was cool finally getting airhike/air raid/inferno, in DMC3 it was all about taking down a boss and getting that cool weapon with its own lists of moves and cool attacks. It's about meaningful character growth in terms of weapons/abilities, not crap you pick up, dress your character up for awhile and then throw away minutes later.

 

[professor_t]

Sorry, but this is just back to the ridiculous attacks on people who enjoyed it. You can't say "That fun you had wasn't really fun, it was fake fun. Try these clearly more fun games and then think about the fun you had and you'll realize it wasn't real fun."

:lol

 

[drohne]

It's called masochism.

i don't personally see the sense in mixing sex and violence, but by the nature of the thing, a pleasure in being whipped or beaten has got to be pretty sincere -- whereas there's something dismally forced about the enthusiasm for too human

 

[SlasherJPC]

I still think many people don't realize that Too Human and games like NG, DMC, and God of War are very different.

Too Human is a loot filled, dungeon crawling, hack and slash.

All the others are puzzle, platfom, action adventure games.

Aesthetically they appear the same, but in reality under the hood these games are very different beasts and should be played accordingly.

 

[Kittonwy]

Sorry, but this is just back to the ridiculous attacks on people who enjoyed it. You can't say "That fun you had wasn't really fun, it was fake fun. Try these clearly more fun games and then think about the fun you had and you'll realize it wasn't real fun."

It's like eating ham sammiches all your life and finally having a steak served rare, with horse radish on-top, slightly charred on the outside but melt-in-your mouth on the inside with grilled mushrooms on the side, some greens and a baked potato decked out with cheese, bacon and some butter, and a pint of guiness.

 

[SlasherJPC]

It's like eating ham sammiches all your life and finally having a steak served rare, with horse radish on-top, slightly charred on the outside but melt-in-your mouth on the inside with grilled mushrooms on the side, some greens and a baked potato decked out with cheese, bacon and some butter, and a pint of guiness.

Damn you just made me incredibly hungry.... BASTARD! :lol

 

[lsslave]

It's like eating ham sammiches all your life and finally having a steak served rare, with horse radish on-top, slightly charred on the outside but melt-in-your mouth on the inside with grilled mushrooms on the side, some greens and a baked potato decked out with cheese, bacon and some butter, and a pint of guiness.

I don't eat pork and hate the taste of beer, but the rare steak sounds good... still... ugh pork and beer >.<

 

[tfur]

a steak served rare, with horse radish on-top, slightly charred on the outside but melt-in-your mouth on the inside with grilled mushrooms on the side, some greens and a baked potato decked out with cheese, bacon and some butter, and a pint of guiness, oh wait I was thinking of UNCHARTED.

Delicious...

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

It's like eating ham sammiches all your life and finally having a steak served rare, with horse radish on-top, slightly charred on the outside but melt-in-your mouth on the inside with grilled mushrooms on the side, some greens and a baked potato decked out with cheese, bacon and some butter, and a pint of guiness.

But I haven't been eating ham sandwiches all my life. That's the whole point. I've played all kinds of games, including DMC4.

And yet, somehow someway, I still had fun playing the Too Human demo.

 

[Raide]

It's like eating ham sammiches all your life and finally having a steak served rare, with horse radish on-top, slightly charred on the outside but melt-in-your mouth on the inside with grilled mushrooms on the side, some greens and a baked potato decked out with cheese, bacon and some butter, and a pint of guiness, oh wait I was thinking of UNCHARTED.

...only to find out you're a vegetarian and you don't like Guinness.

But what if the Ham Sandwich is much more fun to eat? :lol

 

[SlasherJPC]

But I haven't been eating ham sandwiches all my life. That's the whole point. I've played all kinds of games, including DMC4.

And yet, somehow someway, I still had fun playing the Too Human demo.

Same here bro. I've played every DMC, every Onimusha, God of War 1 and 2. Yet I still find Too Human fun AND I find Too Human very different from those games as well.

 

[Kill Your Masters]

Mass Effect is not as great of a game as you seem to think

Orly, I didnt know that, I have to tell my brain to think that ME is not as great as it thinks right now.

*updates brain*

Done.