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Trump blames Constitution for chaos of his first 100 days
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If he's going around gimmick posting I'd rather have him banned.
GitarooMan
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It amazing how they just keep promoting an authoritarian regime. Screw the press, screw the constitution, barrage of executive orders. It's legit scary.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I'm coming around to the idea that Trump doesn't even understand this is what he's moving toward, he's just so ignorant of politics that the idea doesn't occur to him. He's exclusively thinking about himself.
This is not an article about a man who understands the historical roles and purposes of our checks and balances.
yes? i said it inspired their principles, ie, inspired a revolution.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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You're pointing to one aspect of the Constitution, one that at least does have an underlying logic to it despite not working out in practice, and suggesting the whole document is bad.
Edit: I'm legit not one bit scared of Trump anymore. The dude doesn't REALLY want to be an autocratic dictator, he is just completely clueless how to get anything done otherwise.
This is pretty evident when you take into a account his past remarks of how hard being President is. Trump thought being President meant making speeches, having unchecked authority thanks to Executive Orders, and playing golf.
This line of thinking is worse than what Trump is spewing. He knows exactly what he's doing. He knows what he wants to become, but because he doesn't know how to do it doesn't excuse his intentions.
radios shipping overview
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It would be pretty cool if there weren't a few people agreeing with Trump every time he says something that shows how much of an authoritarian he aspires to be.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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He has NO clue nor ability how to do it, though, nor does anybody around him. Literally the only thing his admin is any good at is arrest and deportation of illegal immigrants, and that is both shitty and a waste of time and money but, unfortunately, 100% legal and in the presidential purview.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Technically only 23 times and 17 amendments through the proper system. The Bill of Rights (first 10 amendments) was a package deal with getting the Constitution itself ratified.
Lord Frieza
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So how long do we keep ignoring Trump could be America's first dictator and actually take action?
One of those probably needs some updating
spyroflame0487
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I dunno if anyone else's local paper (yeah I know shocking, we still have a paper here in Cleveland!) had an article about the first 100 days, but there was one woman who gave him an A citing that she thinks he's accomplished a lot of stuff.
Pretty much every other person gave him a D, D- or an F. Mostly supporters gave him his one B and a few Cs.
Pretty much every other person gave him a D, D- or an F. Mostly supporters gave him his one B and a few Cs.
I understand that....but that doesn't excuse his intentions or what he wants to happen. He sounds like a true republican though...the only thing they're good at is making people's lives worse.
I hope he would write that EO.
I think, quite literally, every news story we've gotten about the inner workings and goings-on of the Trump administration before and after he was sworn in have painted a picture of disorder, idiocy, and incompetence. Trump is a dumb, inexperienced person who surrounded himself with equally dumb, inexperienced people (with exceptions like McMaster). The guy doesn't have a fucking clue what he's doing and appears to be winging it as he goes.
He signs executive orders with zero comprehension as to what they mean, he pushed that awful healthcare bill when he clearly had no fucking clue what it said or what it did.
If this is a president who knows what he's doing, then I would hate to see Trump on a day where he's completely clueless as to how his job works.
I think some aren't getting what I'm saying. So I'll go with this.
Paul Ryan knows what he's doing when it comes to stripping millions of people from their healthcare. He knows what his intentions are when he writes the bill.
The incompetence comes in getting his bill past that stage.
Trump knows what he's doing when he says the crap he says. He knows what he wants to become. The incompetence comes in not having a clue in getting it done. That last part agrees with everything you wrote.
The only part I disagree with is the narrative Trump doesn't know what he's pushing.
So how long do we keep ignoring Trump could be America's first dictator and actually take action?
The only way we can take action is either a coup or continuing to build resources on the Democrats side for 2018 and 2020. Trump hasn't done enough to incite the former so we just have to be patient.
Those people decided long ago he "accomplished loads of things and is the greatest ever", before he was even elected. Nothing he does in office matters to them, they made up their mind in advance.
"I love the poorly educated!" - Donald Trump
Yes, well, the Constitution is to blame for his Presidency even being possible. Thanks, Electoral College, for thumbing your nose at the popular vote for the second time since 2000. I was on the fence about it before, figuring 2000 was just a fluke, but 2016 made me see the light: It's a terribly flawed system and needs to be completely abolished.
ArkhamFantasy
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Thats both true in the sense that educated people wouldnt vote for him, but also untrue because he doesnt give a shit about them.
ebullientprism
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It is not what he says that amazes me, stupid people saying stupid things isnt really shocking. Its the fact that he can say it without repercussions.
That blows my mind. How does he not get raked over the coals for some of the things he has said.
That blows my mind. How does he not get raked over the coals for some of the things he has said.
TheLaughingStock
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Lindsey Graham had 2x the groundswell with the media.
KernelPanic
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He knows what he wants to do. More power which means more money for him and his kind.
He doesn't know how to get there but that's why he's surrounded himself with assholes that do.
Extreme right-wingers who want an authoritarian government isn't a new concept. They just finally found a popular figurehead who has sold the ignorant on this idea.
He doesn't know how to get there but that's why he's surrounded himself with assholes that do.
Extreme right-wingers who want an authoritarian government isn't a new concept. They just finally found a popular figurehead who has sold the ignorant on this idea.
The same way that other cult leaders and dictators can say anything without repercussion.
I mean cult leaders have convinced their followers of mass suicides. This guy is no different, and moderate republicans have played a dangerous game of bedding this monster.
Mr Fahrenheit
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Obviously there aren't enough checks an balances since we somehow still haven't removed a president who has repeatedly expressed his wishes to be a dictator
Thaedolus
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So how long do we keep ignoring Trump could be America's first dictator and actually take action?
The one caveat is that he *wants* to be a dictator, thankfully so far our checks and balances have mitigated most of the damage he could be doing right now. It's still a nightmare scenario, but not quite armageddon (yet)
Partially it was because of the constitution that allowed a person like Trump to come into power. The constitution also allows the hateful, the irrational and the ignorant to have the same voice as their counterparts.
While I disagree with the core reason for Trump's berating of the constitution, given how the world has changed since the original was drafted and the numerous times the spirit of the amendments have been violated, perhaps certain parts of it are archaic.
PS: I say this as an outsider.
While I disagree with the core reason for Trump's berating of the constitution, given how the world has changed since the original was drafted and the numerous times the spirit of the amendments have been violated, perhaps certain parts of it are archaic.
PS: I say this as an outsider.
Etrian Oddity
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Oh, there are checks and balances.
The problem is the country is fucked. We've reached a point where the ignorant mobs who will support a fascist regime have reached a big enough population to elect the president.
I honestly don't see a solution. Trump won because there are enough people in the U.S. with voting power/influence that think being misogynist, racist, anti-science, dictatorial, and outright ignoring fact is okay.
*I'm aware Trump lost the popular vote. But he won the electoral college, and anyone who claims Trump has a small group of supporters is delusional. He has a huge cult. And they are more organized than the Democrats, who right now are powerless and effectively vanquished.
Then how did he end up at the kids' table debates?
Your concern is entirely justified. It's all out there now, half of the country is this way, and we can't just put the genie back in the bottle and ignore it.
There are more people that don't agree with this nonsense (as popular vote proved). It's just hard to motivate them to get off their asses. Trump was the perfect rare mix of celebrity, non politician not in the system, voice of the "white oppressed" that was able to motivate one side of the country. It won't last.
If it was as bad as you think it is we would have elected McCain and Palin
It's on the GOP pigfuckers to solve this problem. They've exploited their low information bigot base for years in order to enrich the 1%, but they have to stop before America goes full blown fascist.
nintendoman58
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Luckilly, his base can't make laws or touch the courts.
There are more of us than them, our side just need to get out and vote more. And we're starting to see that kind of behaviour with how close the last two special elections went.
Elections are the solution. Mid terms and the next general. Assuming he isn't impeached. Even the media seems to have taken a deep self reflective breath. Trump's assault on the press may have had unintended positive consequences.
Fox is stumbling.
Technology companies are trying to react.
The country is temporarily embarrassed and has clearly marked exit doors.
Glitchesarecool
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How did you manage to type this out without stopping and thinking about how dopey this is to post?
Do you even realize the kinds of hurdles an Amendment takes? Considering how he can't get support for even his most basic policy changes, do you really think he could manage to get unity behind an Amendment? We, luckily, do not live in a government where you can just flip a switch and overwrite the Constitution.
Because impeachment is a long, lengthy process and you usually need something substantial to actually make it stick, as it requires a two-thirds majority vote. It's not a "HE SAID A BAD THING GET HIM OUT" technique.
That said, he is looking down the barrel of a gun with how all the investigations have been going as of late. Just for making the comment, nothing will happen. But as has been seen in the 9th circuit proceedings, his comments can be excellent fodder for a case.
Nope.
Given how the electoral college works and where people live in the USA, the hateful, irrational and the ignorant have a much louder voice than their counterparts.
I think it's a bit more depressing than that. If the statistics for voter turnout are accurate, then it's not so much that racist-motivated votes outnumbered the others, it's just that the others didn't bother to show up to oppose it.
When you think about other countries that are struggling just to have any kind of democracy then look at the USA and realize that Trump got in power because voters failed to heed the old cliche of "good men doing nothing," it's kind of astounding and demoralizing at the same time. People could have come out and prevented Trump from taking the election, but actually chose to stay home instead, believing that not voting was actually a preferable outcome, and that made all the difference.
SatelliteOfLove
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Is because hes been speakin to Erdogan and Duterte. Watch. Thats how his mind works.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Constitutional limitations are the only things keeping Trump from doing what Erdogan is doing and there's actually someone dumb enough on earth to conflate their desire for reforms with what Trump wants?
How can educated people be so dumb in the face of extremism?
How can educated people be so dumb in the face of extremism?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Oooh, shit. You're right.
Trump's consistent on one thing: he has no principles or ideology, so his viewpoints are often those of who was last in his ear.
Impatience. When people see a lack of action, a lot of red tape, or compromised agendas that ignore what they feel are important issues, they always flock to someone with some variation of the mandate "I can get things done."
People forget after a while that the bureaucracy that's slowing things down is often designed to obstruct people that abuse executive power. But when you want it done, and you want it done now, someone promising to be a "strong leader" who will get fast results often wins people over.
Pumpernickle Humperdink
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I think about this too, he won't go quietly that's for sure
Seriously I'd never thought I'd live to see the constitution do it's job jesus
Fuck this nerd
Call everything rigged, rile his base up, and then off to the side, breathe a sigh of relief that he's no longer president.
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