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Trump Surrogate Cites Japanese Camps as Precedent for Muslim Registration

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Funky Papa

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David H Wong said:
Here's what's much more likely to happen:

Trump is going to gut environmental regulations, explode the deficit and turn over control of social programs to states that are going to fuck them up. And no one will care, because the concentration camps didn't come. Because all of that stuff - actual, tangible stuff that will affect you and your loved ones - is boring, and pales in comparison to the V For Vendetta dictatorship everyone kept predicting. You're being so utterly cartoonish in your portrayal of what he can do that you're going to lose interest when it doesn't come to pass, and Trump "only" does the type of shit Reagan did.
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You can't blame people for painting Trump as a neofascist caricature (ultranationalist, hell-bent on blaming "the others", protectionist, protagonist of his own cult of personality, rife with corporatist conflicts) when he acts like one and surrounds himself with people with a history of making disgusting remarks in such a cavalier way.

I'd also like to add that "it is totes not going to happen" doesn't cut it. If any, it shows your ample disregard towards the earnest fears of a good number of people who are already the victims of discrimination. I'm white and live abroad, so Trump's presidency doesn't scare me that much on a personal level. But if I were an American PoC or religious minority I'd be extremely concerned for my rights and safety.
 
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Palette Swap

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Kai Dracon said:
To be fair, I suspect most of the gang assembling around Trump - most - wouldn't push for literal camps. (Bannon on the other hand, will be in his bunk.) The way in which this particular guy invoked internment as a historical precedent came more across like this:

"If we don't build literal camps, we're not doing the Bad Thing that set the precedent, so we can proceed to use the Bad Thing as a precedent without any sense of guilt."

So as long as they're not rounding people up and busing them to a gulag, they'd justify every possible thing right up to the edge of that and still feel they're being very restrained and responsible. I wouldn't be surprised of someone at the Trump Table would brightly suggest little decorative arm bands. I mean who would be offended by that? It's not like we're doing internment camps guys.
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Yeah, I think that's actually a huge issue: all the back-and-forth and flip flopping can be seen as the result of unaligned crazy people who don't know how to wield power, but the net result is that they're shifting their weight around in a very hard right area, displacing the window of acceptable discourse and solutions.
At the end of the day, when the right hand signals about camps or anything directly evocative of brutally totalitarian regimes, while the left hand offers less visibly brutal discriminatory solutions, they will manage to sell the latter as "humane" and mindful of people's rights. And a shitton of people will feel better about themselves, saying "see, no camps, this isn't fascism, this isn't discrimination, this isn't exclusion".

I'm not saying this is leading to a totalitarian regime, but the major totalitarian examples have done exactly this: chaining layer upon layer of progressively more insane solutions and worldviews, so that when you're standing at the periphery of the onion, you're part of a system whose core you'd find issue with, but you're presented with a picture that seems somehow acceptable to you, and you can still feel decent.
 
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wildfire

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suzu said:
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OMG this brought me to tears.

Lime said:
food for thought

https://www.facebook.com/DarakshanR/posts/10154105628427336

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I'll be more proactive if they really try to pull this shit.
 
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Fantastapotamus

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I mean....at least they don't dance around how fucking awful they are. Right? That's something right? R..right?
 
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Kyzer

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They had this debate a million times before the election already, Japanese internment included. And to be fair a surrogate is like a nobody


It goes without saying that it's fucking disgusting. If trump really tried to pull off Muslim registration that's a huge red flag and everyone afraid of fascism will have been proven right
 
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Ihyll

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So where pretty much at the point where Rudy Giuliani being appointed Attorney General would be very comforting.
 
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Nephtis

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I wonder how long it will take for Megyn Kelly to get tired of Fox news and leave with all the shit that's going on.
 
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SeanTSC

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Whelp, now I'm fucking angry again.

I keep going back between pure rage and wanting to let the world burn itself down. On and off, on and off.

Fuck these fucking Nazis. Can we stop pretending they're something else? Like, just, come on.
 
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M3d10n

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So anything done in the US in the past, no matter how reprehensible and abhorrent, can be used as precedent to make similarly reprehensible and abhorrent things in the future?

What other "precedents" from the Good Old Times™ will they use to Make America Great Again™? Genocide? Ethnic cleansing? Slavery? Compulsory eugenics?
 
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Lothar

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Nephtis said:
I wonder how long it will take for Megyn Kelly to get tired of Fox news and leave with all the shit that's going on.
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She had a really nice interview on Anderson Cooper yesterday. Kelly said she was a fan. Anderson brought up a awful comment Bill O'Reilly made about how Kelly could have went to HR about Roger Ailes, Anderson explained how Roger Ailes owns HR, and Kelly said "Thanks for realizing that."

It seems like a matter of time until she leaves.
 
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Triggerhappytel

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This is awful, but who is this guy relative to Trump? I mean, I don't know what a 'Trump surrogate' means, but does that imply he's an official representative of the Republicans or Trump himself?
 
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EdibleKnife

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M3d10n said:
So anything done in the US in the past, no matter how reprehensible and abhorrent, can be used as precedent to make similarly reprehensible and abhorrent things in the future?

What other "precedents" from the Good Old Times™ will they use to Make America Great Again™? Genocide? Ethnic cleansing? Slavery? Compulsory eugenics?
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"I mean we're not going all the way with it. Don't twist my words. We're just using one element of those heinous crimes against humanity and bringing it to the present day to quell peoples' fears of...you know...'those people'"
 
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Nokagi

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Doesn't sound like he's even willing to fully admit that Japanese internment camps were wrong. "Call it what you will. Maybe wrong". Maybe wrong? Just maybe. He's not sure.
 
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Do Better

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M3d10n said:
So anything done in the US in the past, no matter how reprehensible and abhorrent, can be used as precedent to make similarly reprehensible and abhorrent things in the future?

What other "precedents" from the Good Old Times™ will they use to Make America Great Again™? Genocide? Ethnic cleansing? Slavery? Compulsory eugenics?
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Lol in the 1860s we had an internal conflict that came to be known as the civil war, so there's precedent.
 
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Skellig Gra

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Triggerhappytel said:
This is awful, but who is this guy relative to Trump? I mean, I don't know what a 'Trump surrogate' means, but does that imply he's an official representative of the Republicans or Trump himself?
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As far as I can tell he has no actual connection to Trump just that he is an author, a former navy seal, and supports Trump.
 
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Kreuzader

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Speaking of crimes against humanity and no one learning a damn thing from history:



In a letter obtained by CNBC, IBM CEO Ginni Rometty personally congratulated the president-elect and stated, “I know that you are committed to help America’s economy grow in ways that are good for all of its people.” She then laid out six separate ways in which IBM’s business could dovetail with Trump’s national agenda — including information services available to the most erratic, dangerous presidency in American history. Those services included a “cognitive computing system” for the Department of Veterans Affairs, artificial intelligence for infrastructure, and “data analytics, data center consolidation, and the use of cloud technologies” to cut government costs.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
 
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Feel the Swift

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Hollywood Duo said:
As far as I can tell he has no actual connection to Trump just that he is an author, a former navy seal, and supports Trump.
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Carl Higbie. I gues hes a spokesman for the Great America PAC group. Just a random supporter spouting nonsense. Comments like these are just made to scare people.

I think people are reading the word surrogate and immediately think it's someone close to Trump.
 
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EdibleKnife

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Feel the Swift said:
Carl Higbie. I gues hes a spokesman for the Great America PAC group. Just a random supporter spouting nonsense. Comments like these are just made to scare people.

I think people are reading the word surrogate and immediately think it's someone close to Trump.
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You say made up but this internment era tactics as an example for Trump's plans with Muslims have roots in the man himself:

Time said:
Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump told TIME that he does not know whether he would have supported or opposed the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II.

“I would have had to be there at the time to tell you, to give you a proper answer,” he said during a recent interview in his office in New York City. “I certainly hate the concept of it. But I would have had to be there at the time to give you a proper answer.”

Trump added that he believes wartime sometimes requires difficult choices. “It’s a tough thing. It’s tough,” he said. “But you know war is tough. And winning is tough. We don’t win anymore. We don’t win wars anymore. We don’t win wars anymore. We’re not a strong country anymore. We’re just so off.”
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"I would have had to be there at the time." History isn't enough for Trump. The inhumanity isn't enough for him. If he feels inhumane tactics are necessary, us acting like it's so outside of his mind to plot is folly. The more this idea spreads from him to his surrogates and to his constituents, the more rational it can become as an actual tactic in their heads.
 
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Messofanego

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It'll be called something cute like the National Security Protection Act, much like the Patriot Act was. See that bill get put through, have Republicans vote for it 60-40 in favour, and it be picked up in several red states to actually happen.
 
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Feel the Swift

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EdibleKnife said:
You say made up but this internment era tactics as an example for Trump's plans with Muslims have roots in the man himself:



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"I would have had to be there at the time." History isn't enough for Trump. The inhumanity isn't enough for him. If he feels inhumane tactics are necessary, us acting like it's so outside of his mind to plot is folly. The more this idea spreads from him to his surrogates and to his constituents, the more rational it can become as an actual tactic in their heads.
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Not saying it's made up or not outside his mind. I read that article. He said he hates the concept of it. It's absolutely unacceptable that he feels he would "have to be there" as if he's actually considering carrying something like this out again. I don't think we'll ever know what he's truly thinking as he seems to flip back and forth at all times. I just refuse to give these asshole supporters the time of day.
 
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Ghost Rider

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Anybody ever read the novel No No Boy? If not you should. Interesting read given the topic.

The idea of internment camps is shameful at best and horrifying and disgusting at worst. There was a point in this country when they started forcing Italians to register and carry special ID cards and actually put some in camps as well.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
 
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Wanda/Wander said:
We're a domestic terrorist attack away from this happening during his Presidency.
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Yeah, I've been saying this to whoever will listen. And terrorists know this. They'll see this, an unprecedented propaganda opportunity, and they'll try to exploit it to the fullest. That means lots of dead Americans.

This is why you have to make a stink about civil liberties and not give an inch if you can help it. Each erosion leads to the next, is "precedent" for the next. The slippery slope is not a fallacy here.

Registries > Targeted surveillance > Domestic terror attack > Widespread fear > Public demand for safety no matter the cost + the means to act on it > Abu Ghraib/Guantanamo Bay come home to roost...

>>>> etc.

"Don't be silly. This is COMPLETELY different. This is only a temporary measure. These are extraordinary threats. Who's side are you on? Stop fear mongering."
 
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Feel the Swift said:
Not saying it's made up or not outside his mind. I read that article. He said he hates the concept of it. It's absolutely unacceptable that he feels he would "have to be there" as if he's actually considering carrying something like this out again. I don't think we'll ever know what he's truly thinking as he seems to flip back and forth at all times. I just refuse to give these asshole supporters the time of day.
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I think that's the core of why everyone is terrified. As a minority, seeing a blatant loose cannon that doesn't know anything besides pandering to racism and exploiting fear get rewarded with the highest office in the land and a cabinet of other know-nothing loose cannons that don't give a fuck about you is grim.

I'm seeing a lot of brothers and sisters praying that there will too much infighting among the new government for them to have the time to mess us up that badly. And the very fact that that's is supposedly the best case scenario shows that there's something horribly wrong with this country. One man getting elected was enough to balloon uncertainty to its extreme for a lot of people.

I can't take the "wait and see" people seriously. This is my life and my humanity that is on the line.
 
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Tarydax

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David H Wong said:
Well now wait a second. You're making it sound like this guy (a Trump "surrogate", whatever that is) is actually getting pushback from the right on this. Almost like there isn't majority support for putting Muslims in internment camps, and like there is case law making it illegal, and like any such proposal would meet with stern resistance at the state level from even Republican governors and legislatures.

But, no, because this dumb guy used this dumb comparison in an interview, that means Trump 100% wants all Muslims in internment camps (something he's never, ever proposed, or even hinted at) and 100% of Republicans will go along, because they are all literal devils.

Here's what's much more likely to happen:

Trump is going to gut environmental regulations, explode the deficit and turn over control of social programs to states that are going to fuck them up. And no one will care, because the concentration camps didn't come. Because all of that stuff - actual, tangible stuff that will affect you and your loved ones - is boring, and pales in comparison to the V For Vendetta dictatorship everyone kept predicting. You're being so utterly cartoonish in your portrayal of what he can do that you're going to lose interest when it doesn't come to pass, and Trump "only" does the type of shit Reagan did.
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The casual dismissal of minorities' real fears is unsurprising coming from you. But I guess that's easy since the economically anxious aren't going to put a target on your back.

More than one Trump surrogate has floated the idea of Muslim internment. Trump himself outright refused to condemn Japanese American internment, saying he would "have had to be there at the time" in order to comment. White supremacist Steve Bannon is in the same position Karl Rove was during the Bush administration. Newt Gingrich was, as of a year ago, open to the idea of reviving HUAC, and others, like Michele Bachmann, have also been supportive of such a measure. Don't pretend any of that is impossible; we already know that Americans are prone to making the same mistakes over and over. If the filibuster gets nuked, a major terrorist attack happens, and people like Lindsey Graham, Rand Paul, and John McCain lose what's left of their spines, it could happen.

It doesn't take cartoon-level villainy or even evil to intern people, it just takes apathy and cowardice.
 
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HerbertBirdsfoot

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Keith Olbermann is going to be essential viewing for a while. He's on fire with his new web videos.

Cable and network news is failing us. Print journalism is much better. We need to keep an eye on the ball and keep remembering that this is not normal.
 
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Ghost Rider said:
Anybody ever read the novel No No Boy? If not you should. Interesting read given the topic.

The idea of internment camps is shameful at best and horrifying and disgusting at worst. There was a point in this country when they started forcing Italians to register and carry special ID cards and actually put some in camps as well.

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
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I never knew the source of that quote. Added to my list now. Thanks
 
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Arrogant Bastard

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Messofanego said:
It'll be called something cute like the National Security Protection Act, much like the Patriot Act was. See that bill get put through, have Republicans vote for it 60-40 in favour, and it be picked up in several red states to actually happen.
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American Freedom Act. You wouldn't vote against American freedom would you?! I bet you kill bald eagles and burn flags you dirty socialist.
 
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Maxim726X

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Hey, this would fast track a rebellion from not only the Democrats but Republicans as well.

If he actually ever even attempts anything like this, he's done. Which is actually bad, because if he gets impeached we've got Mike Pence who is arguably more dangerous.
 
Trojita

Trojita

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This is disgusting. Wasn't the executive order for internment later declared as illegal as well?

theignoramus said:
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This Trump "surrogate" looks like the kind of man who'd commit crimes against humanity if he was given the chance.
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Barber: What do you want?

Him: You know what pubes look like?

Barber: Say no more fam.
 
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