These posts are so unnecessary. They do nothing to help political discourse. It's possible to discuss why Andy Puzder is a bad pick without retreading arguments expressing disappointment in the American voter for the umpteenth time. I understand the need for catharsis in the immediate wake of the results, but it's time to move on.
These posts are so unnecessary. They do nothing to help political discourse. It's possible to discuss why Andy Puzder is a bad pick without retreading arguments expressing disappointment in the American voter for the umpteenth time. I understand the need for catharsis in the immediate wake of the results, but it's time to move on.
I just think of the people voting for Brexit and Trump as really fucking stupid at this point. I don't care anymore if it's not politically correct, 'unkind', or that calling them names will 'hurt their feelings and make them vote the wrong way'. I don't give a fuck about your 'feelings' if what you vote for will affect the rights of millions of people. I'm so jaded I don't really give a shit anymore.
I always thought $15 was too high BUT I guess in places like NY and other large urban centers with very high costs of living it might make sense. I'm not sure it makes much sense nationally though. Even in Ontario it's not even close to that. It's actually different in all the Provinces with only Alberta moving to $15.
If they were trying to do a national minimum wage in the U.S. maybe $10-11 would be a reasonable middle ground?
Im not sure what you are asking us to move on from. It is a fact that the pain these picks will cause will likely cause people to change their perspective on politics as well as their votes in the future. As pain always has been a political motivator throughout history and usually precedes dramatic political change.
Do you want us to specify the type of pain that will result so that we are more future oriented? Ok. The end of unions, no protections against predatory companies, more erosion of guaranteed wages and benefits.
Consequently, more people will suffer as a result - particularly the very people that made this possible - and optimistically this will force proper change.
"Look at what you wrought" is as good a mantra I can think of for the coming years
That mantra works better when you have something demonstrable to show them in regards to how things have actually gone wrong. Do you think anybody who voted Trump is looking at this headline and thinking "Oh God what have I done? Not Andy Puzder! Why didn't Democrats/Liberals warn me about this!"
You realize that the entire working class isn't just White people? It's going to hurt across the board, if anything worse conditions make people even more fervent hate and irrationality.So much pain. I hope this decimates racist white working class Trump voters so they are forced to face the consequences of their abhorrent actions and outrageous hatred for this country. I hope they lie awake in cold sweats wondering how they can support themselves now that the rug is being pulled out from their delusional ideas. I hope they learn to start listening to facts.
Maybe then they can wake up and not be hoodwinked by the worlds most idiotic, third grade speakin' cars salesman.
bernie supporters who voted for trump are so dumb
i don't give a shit if this is not a politically correct thing to say
He is picking people who are against what democrats think the dept is about.Is Trump trolling us or what? He's picking everyone that is against what the dept is about.
He is picking people who are against what democrats think the dept is about.
I mean he didn't mince words when he said he was going to send federal regulations to the dumpster.
Trump's _____ Department appointment sends early warning sign to _____
bernie supporters who voted for trump are so dumb
i don't give a shit if this is not a politically correct thing to say
And the fault will lie solely on those who voted for himYou realize that the entire working class isn't just White people? It's going to hurt across the board, if anything worse conditions make people even more fervent hate and irrationality.
These posts are so unnecessary. They do nothing to help political discourse. It's possible to discuss why Andy Puzder is a bad pick without retreading arguments expressing disappointment in the American voter for the umpteenth time. I understand the need for catharsis in the immediate wake of the results, but it's time to move on.
Pudzer is right, Fight for 15 is a bad, radical, idea that will quickly lead to many jobs being replaced with machines. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/the-minimum-wage-how-much-is-too-much.html
12 at most is realistic. Although there won't be any increase under Trump of course.
So much pain. I hope this decimates racist white working class Trump voters so they are forced to face the consequences of their abhorrent actions and outrageous hatred for this country. I hope they lie awake in cold sweats wondering how they can support themselves now that the rug is being pulled out from their delusional ideas. I hope they learn to start listening to facts.
Maybe then they can wake up and not be hoodwinked by the worlds most idiotic, third grade speakin' cars salesman.
I'm with you, $15/hour for flipping burgers in the middle of the country side where cost of living is dirt cheap would be overkill and I get why companies are moving to automation in those areas. It is acceptable in high cost of living areas such as Beverly Hills or places where there's a ton of wealth and expensive as fuck to make a living.
Let's not kid ourselves, if we push up minimum wages, everything will just increase in price resulting in things staying the same. We need to focus on solving education cost and retirement plans. If these elderly people never retire, young people cannot get these high paying jobs. If a person can get by working McDonald's at a great wage, what's to drive them to pursue higher education?
These braindead clowns are the minority and we can't ridicule them for their criminally stupid decisions and lack of any real ability to think critically? We supposed to just let people blame minorities and the Left for letting him be elected instead of them blaming the people actually responsible?
These braindead clowns are the minority and we can't ridicule them for their criminally stupid decisions and lack of any real ability to think critically?
No refunds, guys. You voted for him, you're stuck with him.
If they are suffering, the democrats did it. The idea that these people will learn a lesson is fucking hilarious.
Pudzer is right, Fight for 15 is a bad, radical, idea that will quickly lead to many jobs being replaced with machines. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/the-minimum-wage-how-much-is-too-much.html
12 at most is realistic. Although there won't be any increase under Trump of course.
I'm with you, $15/hour for flipping burgers in the middle of the country side where cost of living is dirt cheap would be overkill and I get why companies are moving to automation in those areas. It is acceptable in high cost of living areas such as Beverly Hills or places where there's a ton of wealth and expensive as fuck to make a living.
Let's not kid ourselves, if we push up minimum wages, everything will just increase in price resulting in things staying the same. We need to focus on solving education cost and retirement plans. If these elderly people never retire, young people cannot get these high paying jobs. If a person can get by working McDonald's at a great wage, what's to drive them to pursue higher education?
bernie supporters who voted for trump are so dumb
i don't give a shit if this is not a politically correct thing to say
No refunds, guys. You voted for him, you're stuck with him.
The majority of eligible voters chose him either directly or passively via staying home. It's a distinction that doesn't really matter much to me at this point.A de facto minority of voters picked him.
I mean the American electorate votes against its own interests time and time again. This election showed that discussing policy doesn't get through to American voters. Repeating a dumb mantra over and over does.
"Look at what you wrought" is as good a mantra I can think of for the coming years
Pudzer is right, Fight for 15 is a bad, radical, idea that will quickly lead to many jobs being replaced with machines. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/the-minimum-wage-how-much-is-too-much.html
12 at most is realistic. Although there won't be any increase under Trump of course.
Honestly, Steve, I don't know what I'd move on *to*. It feels like we're stuck in a bad dream and really what I want to do is go back, back to days/weeks before the election when there might have been a chance to claw back that sliver of votes that won him the election. It feels wrong to simply try to resume political discourse as normal - there's nothing normal going on here, not with a President Elect tweeting daily lies, threats and tantrums.These posts are so unnecessary. They do nothing to help political discourse. It's possible to discuss why Andy Puzder is a bad pick without retreading arguments expressing disappointment in the American voter for the umpteenth time. I understand the need for catharsis in the immediate wake of the results, but it's time to move on.
Honestly, Steve, I don't know what I'd move on *to*. It feels like we're stuck in a bad dream and really what I want to do is go back, back to days/weeks before the election when there might have been a chance to claw back that sliver of votes that won him the election. It feels wrong to simply try to resume political discourse as normal - there's nothing normal going on here, not with a President Elect tweeting daily lies, threats and tantrums.
I honestly don't think we're going to move on without acknowledging that we need to start holding the American voter to a higher standard and the only way that's going to happen is by dwelling on and addressing the issue over an extended period of time.
Pudzer is right, Fight for 15 is a bad, radical, idea that will quickly lead to many jobs being replaced with machines. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/opinion/sunday/the-minimum-wage-how-much-is-too-much.html
12 at most is realistic. Although there won't be any increase under Trump of course.
Isn't that the guy who said he was going to do his best to automate his restaurants?
The only way you can really make $12 per hour work if you are: single with no kids, most likely have no car, don't have debt (e.g. CC or student loans), live with your parents or roommates, which I doubt is the average situation for many working adults. Otherwise you can't save much, will be living paycheck to paycheck, and any random expense that comes up will financially break you.
$12 per hour sucks with today's cost of living and so I think that we can definitely stand to increase wages, at least to match inflation. It's just that the corporate class is too greedy and is willing to depress wages in order to make short term profit gains.
And anyway, I don't think that the $15 per hour demand from workers was going to stop fast-food automation from progressing. It takes years to develop and implement technology, so I am more inclined to think that the $15 per hour knee jerk reaction from fast-food giants is just a political talking point for them to justify using automation.
He praise and showed favoritism for automation, yes. Working class who voted Trump is about to get a swift and callous punch in the throat for voting for a historically consistent con artist
He's not trolling anyone. He's doing the exact thing he's spent his whole life doing: focusing on lining his pockets and earning favorites. His freaking charity is soaked in controversy. This kind of thing is not a surprise. He doesn't care about the mission statement of these departments because filling them with the worst people, makes things better for him.
Long lost orange brothers:
I'm with you, $15/hour for flipping burgers in the middle of the country side where cost of living is dirt cheap would be overkill and I get why companies are moving to automation in those areas. It is acceptable in high cost of living areas such as Beverly Hills or places where there's a ton of wealth and expensive as fuck to make a living.
Let's not kid ourselves, if we push up minimum wages, everything will just increase in price resulting in things staying the same. We need to focus on solving education cost and retirement plans. If these elderly people never retire, young people cannot get these high paying jobs. If a person can get by working McDonald's at a great wage, what's to drive them to pursue higher education?
So, multiple things.
1. Increased minimum wage does not mean increase in prices or inflation. Adjusting for inflation, minimum wage would be around $20 but it stopped increasing around the 60s. Increasing the minimum wage would catch up with inflation.
1b. If you then say "then why don't we crease the minimum wage to $7000!", that would be deliberately surpasing inflation, causing inflation, which is not what is being recommended.
2. Increasing minimum wage means more people (particularly poor people) have more money to spend on more things, stimulating economic growth.
3. It is not just in wealthier/more expensive areas where minimum wage should be increased. Like I said before, minimum wage should be around $20, and minimum wage is tied into workers rights which have basically been eroded in rural areas.
4. So, Eldery people aren't retiring because they don't have enough money to do so comfortably, because of things like minimum wage jobs that they are forced to take past retirement age that still doesn't give them enough to retire but are the only jobs available to them. Seems to me that increasing minimum wage would help with that.
5. Education costs aren't really related to it, but you can educate a community all you want, but if the only jobs available are local, minimum-wage jobs (like it is for many rural areas), get that degree, but know that there's a huge problem of underemployed people.
6. Who want's to work at McDonalds for their whole lives?
7. So what if someone is happy working at McDonalds for their whole lives?
8. Do you think people just stop trying to better their lives as soon as they have a bed and a place to wank?
9. Seriously, that particular argument grinds my goat more than any other. It's an argument that pretends that "loser dude working at a fast food chain" isn't a negative stereotype, or pretends that working at McDonalds isn't considered pathetic by society, or that it's so horrible to work there and anyone who does is a loser who failed at life, as if people's motivation to better their lives just shuts off when they get a job.
It's "You don't want to spend the rest of your life flipping burgers or you're a failure!" followed by "Stop complaining, you have a job!"
Jesus Christ, America. What were you thinking.
bernie supporters who voted for trump are so dumb
i don't give a shit if this is not a politically correct thing to say
So, multiple things.
1. Increased minimum wage does not mean increase in prices or inflation. Adjusting for inflation, minimum wage would be around $20 but it stopped increasing around the 60s. Increasing the minimum wage would catch up with inflation.
1b. If you then say "then why don't we crease the minimum wage to $7000!", that would be deliberately surpasing inflation, causing inflation, which is not what is being recommended.
2. Increasing minimum wage means more people (particularly poor people) have more money to spend on more things, stimulating economic growth.
3. It is not just in wealthier/more expensive areas where minimum wage should be increased. Like I said before, minimum wage should be around $20, and minimum wage is tied into workers rights which have basically been eroded in rural areas.
4. So, Eldery people aren't retiring because they don't have enough money to do so comfortably, because of things like minimum wage jobs that they are forced to take past retirement age that still doesn't give them enough to retire but are the only jobs available to them. Seems to me that increasing minimum wage would help with that.
5. Education costs aren't really related to it, but you can educate a community all you want, but if the only jobs available are local, minimum-wage jobs (like it is for many rural areas), get that degree, but know that there's a huge problem of underemployed people.
6. Who want's to work at McDonalds for their whole lives?
7. So what if someone is happy working at McDonalds for their whole lives?
8. Do you think people just stop trying to better their lives as soon as they have a bed and a place to wank?
9. Seriously, that particular argument grinds my goat more than any other. It's an argument that pretends that "loser dude working at a fast food chain" isn't a negative stereotype, or pretends that working at McDonalds isn't considered pathetic by society, or that it's so horrible to work there and anyone who does is a loser who failed at life, as if people's motivation to better their lives just shuts off when they get a job.
It's "You don't want to spend the rest of your life flipping burgers or you're a failure!" followed by "Stop complaining, you have a job!"