She's on a complete Powertrip. Look i'm all for trans rights and being inclusive however none of that warrants her abysmal behavior. Also calling a whole group of people white supremacists....a group of people that's essentially the core of twitch is not a good look. She needs to get removed from her position in this council
actually i found out about this because i follow a number of youtubers who stream on Twitch and this directly affects their line of work and they are pissed about it. i actually tried to ignore this story for the past week but it's at the point where the people i watch are being affected, so i can no longer ignore.There's a 90% chance you never even would have known about this random shit without someone making a thread topic for you to fume over.
Oh boy, this is exactly the same line of thought these trans-mental people proclaim all day long.
Not a good argument.
actually i found out about this because i follow a number of youtubers who stream on Twitch and this directly affects their line of work and they are pissed about it. i actually tried to ignore this story for the past week but it's at the point where the people i watch are being affected, so i can no longer ignore.
the problem is that she is in a position that affects a lot of people. plugging your ears and ignoring it and hoping it will go away isn't going to do anything.
I dont go out of my way to harass them, but when i meet a tranny or a furry in real life and they start spouting utter nonsence to me i call them out on it. Im not going to back down from my personal viewpoints and moral beliefs just because it might "empower" the sjw crowd or that i might offend them, thats honestly a sissy mindset, yeah a good portion of people irl hate me, so be it, at least i stand for what i belive and i always will.
You can look at Resetera to see what happens if you let crazy people run wild lol
If you ignore it, you support it. If you dont like it, you fight it (and critize it)
It really depends on how the council works. If there was a tag team of crazies it might get out of hand, else if the others are reasonable any one voice will likely be moderated in whatever consensus they produce. YouTube punditry, Reddit etc incentivize catastrophizing
I mean you can stand for whatever you believe in, nobody is telling you not to. That's exactly what these people with their "nonsense" are doing. I'm just letting you know what happens when you decide to stand in direct and total opposition of them....it does make them stronger, that's just a fact.
I mean, don't get me wrong, this works both ways. Far-left groups becoming more vocal will result in far-right groups doing the same. My comment about recursive hatred isn't exclusive to one side at all. I'm even tempted to say NeoGAF is literally proof of this, with how vocal its right-leaning posters are after the Era schism.
Do I think this "Safety Advisory Council" is a good idea? No, it looks really fucking dumb and cliche to me. But do I care enough to comment on it / make threads to bash it / seek conversations and enjoy bashing their life choices?
Absolutely not. It's nothing more than background noise. I wouldn't have even known without NeoGAF.
I just think people should learn to mind their own business just a littttttle bit more. it improves everyone's quality of life.
No, you look at ResetEra to see what happens when extremists decide to relentlessly create and maintain a bubble universe where only specific opinions are allowed.
Everyone here knows that the ResetEra mods AGGRESSIVELY cull any dissenting opinions that stray from their agenda, and so the only people left there are the population of centrists (who don't argue / don't care) and those who agree with the overall ideology.
ResetEra is not an example of "wild opinions growing rampant".....i mean it is, but it's a very specific place. If you're able to identify that the people there are "crazy", why do you then decide to confuse them with reality???
They are absolutely no different from the kinds of websites/forums that relentlessly bash SJWs/leftist opinions and revel in mocking how "weak" and "illogical" they are.
What i'm asking is......what is it about them that's burrowed into your mind so deep that you're unable to leave them to their own devices?
Are they a legitimate threat to your current way of life? Does them succeeding really mean that you're losing?
Is it really impossible to let them have their victories in peace? What is it about trans furry activists making stupid ass arguments about voice chat that allows you to identify their opinions as nonsense, but then prevents you from ignoring them like you would, say, the crazy guy on the street, or the flat-earth society, or scientology, or whatever else???
Legit question, and anyone is free to answer.
(the irony is that, this question is something I myself am unable to let go LOL)
what a surprise. LordKasual “solution” is to self censor yourself.It's people like you that are DIRECTLY responsible for this kind of shit to begin with. People who can't just ignore shit without getting personally butthurt at their audacity to be wired differently.
No, ignoring them IS the easiest way to make them go away. There's a 90% chance you never even would have known about this random shit without someone making a thread topic for you to fume over. These overly sensitive people exist to make people talk about the things that make them uncomfortable.....which isn't inherently bad in itself because they are overly sensitive and thus the minority. People are going to discuss it, make minor adjustments, and continue as usual. This has already happened, this is where reporting systems came from, and voice chat is just as toxic as ever. Every actual multiplayer developer who cares about integrity knows that there is only so much you can do to deter assholes from being assholes.
Twitch is going to give these people a platform because they are an established niche with a "positive" message.....It doesn't matter if most of it is nonsense, to most normal people it's completely harmless. The only people who are going to watch them are people who share their sensibilities.
This is no different from any other niche on Twitch, from people watching fighting games, to lets plays, thirst traps, whatever. They're all the same to Twitch and they do not care as long as they aren't problematic to their overall base.
However, people who are annoyed so much that you'd wish violence on them for having an opinion are an E A S I L Y expunged group of people. Twitch losing your support (or never having it) is of zero consequence, it's actually quite beneficial.
If they make you mad, it grows the "SJW" crowd that you hate so much. If you start outwardly speaking negatively about the platform because of the "SJW" crowd....it tells the crowd you hate that the place you're crying about is a rallying point.
However, if you simply avoided it, it would remove their ability to dig their claws into people outside of their niche. The entire LGBTQ movement was accelerated to power play st
You people putting yourself in direct opposition to them puts you on the other side of a seesaw. The more you hate them, the more you validate their viewpoint.
I can't believe this is such a hard concept for some of you to grasp. You're stuck in this recursive loop of empowering the thing you hate.
this isn’t a crackhead on the street. This is a corporate initiative that will influence the decisions Twitch makes in the future.Is it really impossible to let them have their victories in peace? What is it about trans furry activists making stupid ass arguments about voice chat that allows you to identify their opinions as nonsense, but then prevents you from ignoring them like you would, say, the crazy guy on the street, or the flat-earth society, or scientology, or whatever else???
Legit question, and anyone is free to answer.
(the irony is that, this question is something I myself am unable to let go LOL)
I think the Deer was fired!
I mean you can stand for whatever you believe in, nobody is telling you not to. That's exactly what these people with their "nonsense" are doing. I'm just letting you know what happens when you decide to stand in direct and total opposition of them....it does make them stronger, that's just a fact.
I mean, don't get me wrong, this works both ways. Far-left groups becoming more vocal will result in far-right groups doing the same. My comment about recursive hatred isn't exclusive to one side at all. I'm even tempted to say NeoGAF is literally proof of this, with how vocal its right-leaning posters are after the Era schism.
Do I think this "Safety Advisory Council" is a good idea? No, it looks really fucking dumb and cliche to me. But do I care enough to comment on it / make threads to bash it / seek conversations and enjoy bashing their life choices?
Absolutely not. It's nothing more than background noise. I wouldn't have even known without NeoGAF.
I just think people should learn to mind their own business just a littttttle bit more. it improves everyone's quality of life.
No, you look at ResetEra to see what happens when extremists decide to relentlessly create and maintain a bubble universe where only specific opinions are allowed.
Everyone here knows that the ResetEra mods AGGRESSIVELY cull any dissenting opinions that stray from their agenda, and so the only people left there are the population of centrists (who don't argue / don't care) and those who agree with the overall ideology.
ResetEra is not an example of "wild opinions growing rampant".....i mean it is, but it's a very specific place. If you're able to identify that the people there are "crazy", why do you then decide to confuse them with reality???
They are absolutely no different from the kinds of websites/forums that relentlessly bash SJWs/leftist opinions and revel in mocking how "weak" and "illogical" they are.
What i'm asking is......what is it about them that's burrowed into your mind so deep that you're unable to leave them to their own devices?
Are they a legitimate threat to your current way of life? Does them succeeding really mean that you're losing?
Is it really impossible to let them have their victories in peace? What is it about trans furry activists making stupid ass arguments about voice chat that allows you to identify their opinions as nonsense, but then prevents you from ignoring them like you would, say, the crazy guy on the street, or the flat-earth society, or scientology, or whatever else???
Legit question, and anyone is free to answer.
(the irony is that, this question is something I myself am unable to let go LOL)
Actually, deer stuff, trans stuff, doesn't bother me.I mean you can stand for whatever you believe in, nobody is telling you not to. That's exactly what these people with their "nonsense" are doing. I'm just letting you know what happens when you decide to stand in direct and total opposition of them....it does make them stronger, that's just a fact.
I mean, don't get me wrong, this works both ways. Far-left groups becoming more vocal will result in far-right groups doing the same. My comment about recursive hatred isn't exclusive to one side at all. I'm even tempted to say NeoGAF is literally proof of this, with how vocal its right-leaning posters are after the Era schism.
Do I think this "Safety Advisory Council" is a good idea? No, it looks really fucking dumb and cliche to me. But do I care enough to comment on it / make threads to bash it / seek conversations and enjoy bashing their life choices?
Absolutely not. It's nothing more than background noise. I wouldn't have even known without NeoGAF.
I just think people should learn to mind their own business just a littttttle bit more. it improves everyone's quality of life.
No, you look at ResetEra to see what happens when extremists decide to relentlessly create and maintain a bubble universe where only specific opinions are allowed.
Everyone here knows that the ResetEra mods AGGRESSIVELY cull any dissenting opinions that stray from their agenda, and so the only people left there are the population of centrists (who don't argue / don't care) and those who agree with the overall ideology.
ResetEra is not an example of "wild opinions growing rampant".....i mean it is, but it's a very specific place. If you're able to identify that the people there are "crazy", why do you then decide to confuse them with reality???
They are absolutely no different from the kinds of websites/forums that relentlessly bash SJWs/leftist opinions and revel in mocking how "weak" and "illogical" they are.
What i'm asking is......what is it about them that's burrowed into your mind so deep that you're unable to leave them to their own devices?
Are they a legitimate threat to your current way of life? Does them succeeding really mean that you're losing?
Is it really impossible to let them have their victories in peace? What is it about trans furry activists making stupid ass arguments about voice chat that allows you to identify their opinions as nonsense, but then prevents you from ignoring them like you would, say, the crazy guy on the street, or the flat-earth society, or scientology, or whatever else???
Legit question, and anyone is free to answer.
(the irony is that, this question is something I myself am unable to let go LOL)
This is the music scene in the uk too. My friend got kicked from a show he was already at, just before going on stage, because someone took out of context screenshots of a conversation to paint him as a racist. You cant say anything that goes against anyones ideas. They try to be so inclusive, but dont realise theyre actually being worse, and more dangerous than the people they are banning.They’ve done a ton of other crappy stuff too, being super inconsistent with bans, including the top guy on Spongebob battle for bikini bottom getting banned right before an event. Banning people who had plane tickets and a hotel for something they said years ago is not cool. They’re also super shady about the runs they take, sometimes letting “friends of the show” do runs they aren’t qualified for via means other than the traditional vetting
I think the Deer was fired!
I'm more concerned about her racist and sexist remarks, comparing gamers to supremicists and smearing a large segment of Twitch's audience, along with her alleged links to the Ultra-Marxist and Stasi supporting ADL make her completely unsuitable for the position she's been gifted.
It was a great one. Also love the line "a deer, the thing that gets hit by cars" lolThanks!
I had fun with that intro as you can tell, haha
this is a common theme across all media these days.Just blame it all on "gamers™" and move on, right? Such a bunch of hacks...
Their is zero need for this council. No one life is in danger for streaming on twitchThis whole thing sounds like an overblown hate orgy stemming from a base miscommunication.
The irony is that it's only confirming the "need" for a council meant to moderate the very thing it's inciting. What a dumpster fire.
Anyone, and I mean anyone who uses terms like y’all
It's people like you that are DIRECTLY responsible for this kind of shit to begin with. People who can't just ignore shit without getting personally butthurt at their audacity to be wired differently.
No, ignoring them IS the easiest way to make them go away.
There's a 90% chance you never even would have known about this random shit without someone making a thread topic for you to fume over.
These overly sensitive people exist to make people talk about the things that make them uncomfortable.....which isn't inherently bad in itself because they are overly sensitive and thus the minority.
People are going to discuss it, make minor adjustments, and continue as usual. This has already happened, this is where reporting systems came from, and voice chat is just as toxic as ever.
Every actual multiplayer developer who cares about integrity knows that there is only so much you can do to deter assholes from being assholes.
Twitch is going to give these people a platform because they are an established niche with a "positive" message.....It doesn't matter if most of it is nonsense, to most normal people it's completely harmless. The only people who are going to watch them are people who share their sensibilities.
This is no different from any other niche on Twitch, from people watching fighting games, to lets plays, thirst traps, whatever. They're all the same to Twitch and they do not care as long as they aren't problematic to their overall base.
However, people who are annoyed so much that you'd wish violence on them for having an opinion are an E A S I L Y expunged group of people. Twitch losing your support (or never having it) is of zero consequence, it's actually quite beneficial.
If they make you mad, it grows the "SJW" crowd that you hate so much. If you start outwardly speaking negatively about the platform because of the "SJW" crowd....it tells the crowd you hate that the place you're crying about is a rallying point.
However, if you simply avoided it, it would remove their ability to dig their claws into people outside of their niche. The entire LGBTQ movement was accelerated to power play st
You people putting yourself in direct opposition to them puts you on the other side of a seesaw. The more you hate them, the more you validate their viewpoint.
I can't believe this is such a hard concept for some of you to grasp. You're stuck in this recursive loop of empowering the thing you hate.
I mean you can stand for whatever you believe in, nobody is telling you not to.
That's exactly what these people with their "nonsense" are doing. I'm just letting you know what happens when you decide to stand in direct and total opposition of them....it does make them stronger, that's just a fact.
I mean, don't get me wrong, this works both ways. Far-left groups becoming more vocal will result in far-right groups doing the same. My comment about recursive hatred isn't exclusive to one side at all. I'm even tempted to say NeoGAF is literally proof of this, with how vocal its right-leaning posters are after the Era schism.
Do I think this "Safety Advisory Council" is a good idea? No, it looks really fucking dumb and cliche to me. But do I care enough to comment on it / make threads to bash it / seek conversations and enjoy bashing their life choices?
Absolutely not. It's nothing more than background noise. I wouldn't have even known without NeoGAF.
I just think people should learn to mind their own business just a littttttle bit more. it improves everyone's quality of life.
No, you look at ResetEra to see what happens when extremists decide to relentlessly create and maintain a bubble universe where only specific opinions are allowed.
Everyone here knows that the ResetEra mods AGGRESSIVELY cull any dissenting opinions that stray from their agenda, and so the only people left there are the population of centrists (who don't argue / don't care) and those who agree with the overall ideology.
ResetEra is not an example of "wild opinions growing rampant".....i mean it is, but it's a very specific place. If you're able to identify that the people there are "crazy", why do you then decide to confuse them with reality???
They are absolutely no different from the kinds of websites/forums that relentlessly bash SJWs/leftist opinions and revel in mocking how "weak" and "illogical" they are.
What i'm asking is......what is it about them that's burrowed into your mind so deep that you're unable to leave them to their own devices?
Are they a legitimate threat to your current way of life? Does them succeeding really mean that you're losing?
Is it really impossible to let them have their victories in peace?
What is it about trans furry activists making stupid ass arguments about voice chat that allows you to identify their opinions as nonsense, but then prevents you from ignoring them like you would, say, the crazy guy on the street, or the flat-earth society, or scientology, or whatever else???
Ignoring this kind of shit is how the liberal arts universities turned into worthless shit holes churning out cultural poison over the past few decades.You know that ignoring shit just leads to the shit getting bigger and bigger until you cant ignore it anymore? While you ignore that shit, it gets forced onto you even more every day, every year and those people taking place in positions of power where their mental disability will force you to "accept" them up to the point that other opinions are not allowed anymore.
You can look at Resetera to see what happens if you let crazy people run wild lol
If you ignore it, you support it. If you dont like it, you fight it (and critize it)
Im from Texas and I use y'all unironically, cause its just the way I speak.
A Note from Emmett about the Safety Advisory Council
Last week, we announced the formation of our Safety Advisory Council, a group of online safety experts and Twitch creators we brought together to advise on issues related to trust and safety at Twitch. We’ve since seen a lot of discussion and questions, as well as some concerns, and I want to...blog.twitch.tv
otm. i live in GA and have said yall my entire life and am not changing it bc some jackasses suddenly decided to try and sound black for woke points.Im from Texas and I use y'all unironically, cause its just the way I speak.
A Note from Emmett about the Safety Advisory Council
Last week, we announced the formation of our Safety Advisory Council, a group of online safety experts and Twitch creators we brought together to advise on issues related to trust and safety at Twitch. We’ve since seen a lot of discussion and questions, as well as some concerns, and I want to...blog.twitch.tv
Last week, we announced the formation of our Safety Advisory Council, a group of online safety experts and Twitch creators we brought together to advise on issues related to trust and safety at Twitch.
We’ve since seen a lot of discussion and questions, as well as some concerns, and I want to provide some clarity to help everyone understand our thinking about the council’s role and what we’re doing next.
The role of the council is to advise, offer perspective, and participate in discussions with our internal teams pertaining to the work we do to help keep our community safe and healthy. We made an intentional choice to recruit advisors with strong independent opinions and the courage to challenge our thinking.
Our goal is to hear a wide range of points of view informed by truly different people within Twitch and outside Twitch.
Because a position on the council is not a test of ideology or an endorsement by Twitch on a specific viewpoint, we expect that members of the council will sometimes have very different viewpoints from each other, from Twitch staff members, or from the official Twitch policy.
We recognize that hearing from a diverse set of voices is valuable when crafting products and policies to serve our entire community.
We said in our blog post we were looking for the council to advise on a variety of things, from advising on new policies to promoting healthy streaming habits, but we could have been clearer about tasks the council will not be involved with. Council members will not make moderation decisions, nor will they have access to any details on specific moderation cases.
They are not Twitch employees, and they do not speak on Twitch’s behalf. While we value their opinions and their right to share them, they are independent actors who will have opinions that aren’t shared either by Twitch, Twitch employees, or even by other members of the council.
Nevertheless, we believe that having diverse viewpoints will make the council and its recommendations stronger, and ultimately better for our community.
All participants care deeply about the Twitch Community and want to help make it a better place.
It’s a commitment of time and energy from them, and we’re grateful for their contribution to help us improve Twitch policy. Harassment directed at council members or anyone at or on Twitch only underscores the importance of the council.
We do not condone bullying or harassment of any kind and will continue to take action against accounts who engage in that behavior.
At the heart of the Safety Advisory Council and all of our work at Twitch is the desire to foster a safe, inclusive, and creative community of passionate people. As with every community, there will be disagreements and differing points of view, and we are committed to considering a diversity of perspectives as we work to help keep our community safe and healthy.
That's....strangely reassuring, even considering it's PR speak.
Their is zero need for this council. No one life is in danger for streaming on twitch
So by that logic.You know that ignoring shit just leads to the shit getting bigger and bigger until you cant ignore it anymore? While you ignore that shit, it gets forced onto you even more every day, every year and those people taking place in positions of power where their mental disability will force you to "accept" them up to the point that other opinions are not allowed anymore.
You can look at Resetera to see what happens if you let crazy people run wild lol
If you ignore it, you support it. If you dont like it, you fight it (and critize it)
I don't think this idea of yours would work if everyone had the same mindset, world would be filled with people trying to impose their own views, that usually culminates into violence.
Sounds like these members will just be asked to give their opinions on a variety of subjects behind closed doors, with which Twitch might do something to improve safety on their platform.So what kind of power are these mentally unstable buffoons going to have?
Not everyone wants to fight you know. I think I should have made my point clearer. I still think this is all overblown and nothing will come out of it. No changes to Twitch will be made.You mean it's kinda like that time where that exact thing happened at the dawn of humanity and has gone on, uninterrupted, till the current day and will continue uninterrupted till humanity is no more?
My cynical mind expects they won't do a damn thing with any of this advice, and they'll just use the existence of the council to pretend they are listening to people.
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So by that logic.
If you ignore racism, you support racism. If you don't like racism, you fight it.
If you ignore poverty, you support poverty. If you don't like poverty you fight it.
(I'm not saying you're in support or against for any of these, just pointing out the logic of this thinking)
I don't think this idea of yours would work if everyone had the same mindset, world would be filled with people trying to impose their own views, that usually culminates into violence. Which is why when some people ignore something, they do just that and are in neither support or against. People are simple yet complex creatures.
I for one just think this whole thing will blow-over and it will be another footnote in the history of extreme trans people vs the majority. So ignoring it is what I will do. I find the whole banning of voice chat remark to be stupid and not welcome, but nothing is gonna happen, this won't build up, it will always remain in a bubble. Just look at ERA for what a bubble looks like.