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The vase was not altered, here it is on the British Museum website.
The text next to that picture is about the related tour station, where female students were included in a class.

The statues are censored because this is sold as a separate product without any violence and they want to avoid an M rating. You can blame conservatives for that one for being so scared of sex.

 

[Alx]

If the vase is legit then it's not that bad. It still feels unnecessary to change the setting for the sake of it, especially in software that claims to be educative. I mean, where is the harm in showing that antique education didn't mix genders ?

 

[ExpandKong]

This would infuriate me if the Assassin’s Creed games hadn’t already becom a joke after Brotherhood.

 

[Kamina]

Not quite as bad as black female Nazis in CoD WW2, but still pretty ridiculous. Not worth losing any sleep over, mind you.

Please tell me you were exaggerating

Edit: never mind, just googled it...

 

[VertigoOA]

There are npcs walking around with their tits out in the game tho

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

This would infuriate me if the Assassin’s Creed games hadn’t already becom a joke after Brotherhood.

I lost interest after that game, too, but I picked up Origins based on the reviews. I'm glad I did, it's a very good game with some major differences to the earlier games in the franchise. I much prefer the combat and the quests are more in the style of Witcher 3. You know, quests branch off in various interesting directions. It's a huge game, too.

 

[Achelexus]

Ubisoft nevers fails to disappoint.

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Please tell me you were exaggerating

Edit: never mind, just googled it...

You didn't know about that?

 

[Wunray]

I honestly don't see what the problem is here? I mean if you are going to a game about assisns in Egypt to learn about Egypt's history I mean........there are better alternatives.

 

[Kamina]

You didn't know about that?

No, honestly not. I‘m not into CoD

 

[Alx]

I honestly don't see what the problem is here? I mean if you are going to a game about assisns in Egypt to learn about Egypt's history I mean........there are better alternatives.

Except that it's a specific mode dedicated to explore the environment outside of the game context, for educative purpose.
https://assassinscreed.ubisoft.com/...fferent-side-of-assassins-creed-origins-egypt

Throughout its existence, one of the most fascinating parts of the Assassin's Creed series has been the Database, a collection of educational notes on important people, places, and events that updates as you discover them in-game. Assassin's Creed Origins is taking that concept several steps further with Discovery Tour, a new mode that lets players explore the game's massive re-creation of Egypt and delve into its history firsthand.​

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A dedicated mode separate from the main game, Discovery Tour features dozens of guided tours curated by historians and Egyptologists. Each focuses on a different subject, including the Great Pyramids, the life of Cleopatra, mummification, and more. Additionally, players will be able to roam the entire game world without constraints or threats, exploring a sprawling landscape that includes Memphis, Alexandria, the Sand Sea, and the Giza Plateau at their own pace.​

It's one thing to take some "creative freedom" for the gaming part, but you don't add something that is basically an encyclopaedia to put fake stuff in it.
As it is, it seems that the encyclopaedia actually explains how the interactive part is inaccurate, so in the end it's not that bad (but as I mentioned earlier, still unnecessary).

 

[TheDuskwalker]

The posts about the statue censoring because of school reminds that they showed a uncensored video/documentary about childbirth at my high school, freshman year. I didn't eat lunch that day.....

 

[ExpandKong]

The posts about the statue censoring because of school reminds that they showed a uncensored video/documentary about childbirth at my high school, freshman year. I didn't eat lunch that day.....

Oh my god shadow memories resurfacing

 

[ickythingz]

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[Mister Apoc]

western civilization is bad is pretty much the message i got from this

any celebration of it is bad

 

[Bl@de]

Pathetic

 

[RipperGrim]

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This and the first post are something.

 

[strange headache]

Apparently 'murican politics have progressed so far, they went full circle and arrived in the middle-ages, putting fig leaves on statues and paintings again. Also, since when did rhetoricians give frikkin' dancing lessons? And what the heck is 'historical sexism'?

If they wanted to be more inclusive, they could have simply focused a little bit more on Hypatia, a female philosopher, astronomer, and mathematician. The term historical sexism would imply that the people in Ancient Egypt were all sexists, when in fact they had a great many powerful female rulers. Meanwhile the U.S. can't even come up with one single female president!

Seems like we are now forced to rewrite history in order to appease the puritanical right and the political correct left. Ubisoft is certainly allowed to unleash its creative freedom on their little Egyptian fantasy world however they want, but when their 'discovery tour' boasts its historical accuracy, it's something else:

The Discovery Tour is an educational experience that allows players to free-roam Ancient Egypt to learn more about its history.

A world that forgets its past, has no future.

 

[KevinKeene]

This and the first post are something. Neogaf really needs to get it's shit together

Is this a shit post?

 

[makaveli60]

So what is it with the vase and the tour station? I don't really understand it.

 

[Mr. Grumpy]

There are far too many people here who are not talking about the topic of this thread, either discuss the topic in question or don't post in the thread. As people should know by now, insulting other members or throwing insults at imagined groups of people with vague generalisations is not something that's acceptable here.

Thank you.

 

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You know, the same ones who got GTA San Andreas banned for Hot Coffee back in the day.

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[alken]

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[WaterAstro]

They didn't really need to do that with an M rating. Maybe they were hoping for lower rating lol.

 

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They didn't really need to do that with an M rating. Maybe they were hoping for lower rating lol.

The discovery tour part is sold as a separate product. Steam store in my region says it's PEGI 12, while the main AC Origins game is PEGI 18. Rating should be on the Steam store page below the language listing.

Note that you shouldn't buy that, the tour is included with AC Origins.

 

[F0rneus]

Censoring those statues is a pretty...well, dumb move. Wasn't there a Nintendo game with a statue with a peen on 3DS?

 

[Ridcully]

The shells in the first image almost read as groping hands, which I think would have played better had they gone for it. If you're going to do something dumb like this, at least have fun with it.

 

[lucius]

The aliens created the statues but in the simulation the templars were all evil so after the monkeys flew out of my butt I started getting history from AC games

 

[SirKicksalot]

So what is it with the vase and the tour station? I don't really understand it.

Tours are like quests. Follow the quest marker to the next objective, which is a called station. You can press a button to bring up a separate image (a photo, a drawing, a map etc.) and the text for that station (which is also narrated anyway).
This station is next to a teacher and his students, some of which are female. The vase is the image linked to this particular station. It is not altered.

 

[Wulfram]

The naked statue thing is silly but understandable. Its probably not worth Ubisoft fighting for statue boobs.

The classroom thing I really don't get though. How would depicting a single sex classroom hurt inclusivity? If you were playing one of the schoolkids then I could see the point in fudging things so that people could play a girl, but as an exhibit I don't see the sense in not making it accurate. I don't think its a big problem since they're admitting to it, though.

 

[Wunray]

Except that it's a specific mode dedicated to explore the environment outside of the game context, for educative purpose.
https://assassinscreed.ubisoft.com/...fferent-side-of-assassins-creed-origins-egypt


It's one thing to take some "creative freedom" for the gaming part, but you don't add something that is basically an encyclopaedia to put fake stuff in it.
As it is, it seems that the encyclopaedia actually explains how the interactive part is inaccurate, so in the end it's not that bad (but as I mentioned earlier, still unnecessary).

I get what you're saying, it's just me, I can't take what ubi tried to do here seriously.

 

[makaveli60]

Tours are like quests. Follow the quest marker to the next objective, which is a called station. You can press a button to bring up a separate image (a photo, a drawing, a map etc.) and the text for that station (which is also narrated anyway).
This station is next to a teacher and his students, some of which are female. The vase is the image linked to this particular station. It is not altered.

Okay, I thought that this was the case, but then what's the point of that text? I suppose it is because Egyptians nowadays separate sexes in school (because of religion), but I'm not sure.

 

[Composer]

Hmm, conservative members act like a snowflakes at a conservative approach to art in schools. So interesting...

 

[makaveli60]

Hmm, conservative members act like a snowflakes at a conservative approach to art in schools. So interesting...

What if these people are not conservative but just had enough of "far-left" insanity? Not everything is black and white, you know... Anyway, I think this is a good lesson that we shouldn't behave like those and jump into conclusions based on one person's account but rather research the topic at hand ourselves.

 

[llien]

Let me guess, the reason of that change is because there is a country out there, that is much more concerned about exposing nipples than about violence. A prudent country with pornography industry revenues rivaling Hollywood.

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But what does hiding penises and breasts of ancient statues have to do with "inclusiveness"?

You didn't know about that?

You weren't talking to me, but all I recall was some vague insult mixed talks and I figured it was sarcasm. Black female nazi explodes my cognitive dissonance meter.

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[Codes 208]

Ok i laughed a little. They turned the female statues into little mermaids

Its not the dumbest censorship imo. Bandai replacing the swords in dragon ball fusions with sticks was downright asinine.

 

[Dunki]

Hmm, conservative members act like a snowflakes at a conservative approach to art in schools. So interesting...

I am not conservative and I am highly anti censorship. I am all for artistic freedom but if you want to use these kind of things in a history class you should NEVER alter anything that did happen in history.

 

[notaskwid]

I don't see the inclusion or wtv you are seeing here, maybe OP and the likes should start checking under the bed every night for the SJW waiting to take away their freedom?

 

[notaskwid]

Hmm, conservative members act like a snowflakes at a conservative approach to art in schools. So interesting...

Alt right is not conservative.

 

[Dunki]

I don't see the inclusion or wtv you are seeing here, maybe OP and the likes should start checking under the bed every night for the SJW waiting to take away their freedom?

I removed a picture that people thought were altered that was the inclusive part. I do not know if I can just change he title but i removed that picture as it was proven wrong.

 

[Fbh]

Well I can sort of see why. Both to lower the age rating of the standalone experience and to make it acceptable to show in most schools/countries.

Still seems silly and disappointing that they didn't make it optional. There should have been a menu for the teacher to customize the experience and adjust it to what is acceptable in their particular class/school/country

 

[notaskwid]

I removed a picture that people thought were altered that was the inclusive part. I do not know if I can just change he title but i removed that picture as it was proven wrong.

For someone so aggravated by the "outrage culture" you sure jumb the gun fast.

 

[makaveli60]

Alt right is not conservative.

Yeah of course, this forum is alt-right because it can have real discussions and doesn't have to echo the insanity. Perhaps you would find a better home on the other forum.

 

[Dunki]

For someone so aggravated by the "outrage culture" you sure jumb the gun fast.

Because I saw so many shit already that his was highly plausible. Sill the censorship for a Programm that should be used for children to teach about history is ridiculous.

 

[DonJimbo]

Its ubisoft so nothing new

 

[Alx]

What if these people are not conservative but just had enough of "far-left" insanity? Not everything is black and white, you know...

It's not, and trying to slap political labels on such stuff doesn't help, to be honest. The issue at hand is about puritanism and potentially excessive focus on inclusivity. Trying to shoehorn that into a right/left opposition forces people to take side or feel judged for no reason. I'm sure there are right-wing people who don't mind seeing some boobs, and there are left wing people who aren't obsessed with showing gender equality even in places where there are good reasons not to.

 

[AquaticSquirrel]

I think the following about this move:

1. It seems obvious that Ubisoft are doing this to appease ratings boards and to not stir up controversy in this current climate.
2. Understanding point 1, that doesn't make it ok. I am heavily against censorship of art, especially when used in an educational context.
3. While this is something I am against heavily in principle I can't say I'm overly bothered by this specific example.
4. While understanding point 3, I still think the whole thing is stupid and not ideal. Somewhat defeats the purpose of this mode.
5. I'm baffled by the classroom thing.

 

[makaveli60]

It's not, and trying to slap political labels on such stuff doesn't help to be honest. The issue at hand is about puritanism and potentially excessive focus on inclusivity. Trying to shoehorn that into a right/left opposition forces people to take side or feel judged for no reason. I'm sure there are right-wing people who don't mind seeing some boobs, and there are left wing people who aren't obsessed with showing gender equality even in places where there are good reasons not to.

You are right. That's part of the reason why I used the quotation marks.

 

[llien]

Hmm, conservative members act like a snowflakes at a conservative approach to art in schools. So interesting...

Alt right is not conservative.

And majority of "conservative/alt-right" on this forum look like left leaning liberals to me.

 

[makaveli60]

And majority of "conservative/alt-right" on this forum look like left leaning liberals to me.

I have done this test, and according to that, I'm like 80% leftist. But the peole that we nowadays call "far-leftist" would almost consider me as bad as Hitler. Funny in a wrong way...