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[Lunk]

To me the whole "politics in muh games" issue often boils down to the fact that good artists think politically but their interest is not politics but the generalization of the human condition across various subjects. A bad artists can't see besides their own nose and will therefore impose their own views, single-mindedly into the game, and the issue in the games industry is then that because companies are big and make macrodecisions from reading their market they will play it safe and make games "inclusive" because it avoids controversy, not because they're just good people or whatever and the result of "inclusive" games is often that it feels like tokenism - it lacks authenticity.

 

[LittleBusters]

Resetera would say that any studio must take a stand because reasons.

 

[Lunk]

Resetera would say that any studio must take a stand because reasons.

No. In terms of extremity of reaction though it's like they equate bigoted thinking to killing someone and then conflates it further by saying that "if you don't take a stance, you're letting bigots (aka "murderers") get away with oppressing (aka "killing") minorities". And in any reality where one thing here is conflated with the other that makes it "virtuous" to be pro-politics and progressive, and therein lies the whole fallacy of "virtue signaling" that they just don't understand - that the issue isn't the virtue, it's the perception of it and the idea that there even is a virtue in the things they say. I don't wanna belittle oppression but being mean or being a bully is still not cause for actual blowout and controversy IMO. It shouldn't be good but it isn't worth all this yammer.

First you strawman, then you present yourself as superior making the other party look like scum in the eyes of the ignorant. I mean, they're gaslighting.

 

[LittleBusters]

No. In terms of extremity of reaction though it's like they equate bigoted thinking to killing someone and then conflates it further by saying that "if you don't take a stance, you're letting bigots (aka "murderers") get away with oppressing (aka "killing") minorities". And in any reality where one thing here is conflated with the other that makes it "virtuous" to be pro-politics and progressive, and therein lies the whole fallacy of "virtue signaling" that they just don't understand - that the issue isn't the virtue, it's the perception of it and the idea that there even is a virtue in the things they say. I don't wanna belittle oppression but being mean or being a bully is still not cause for actual blowout and controversy IMO. It shouldn't be good but it isn't worth all this yammer.

First you strawman, then you present yourself as superior making the other party look like scum in the eyes of the ignorant. I mean, they're gaslighting.

The scary part is it's working with the college crowd. I mean that 'guy' who said the Constitution is an irrelevant document. Scary times.

 

[EDMIX]

Good.... Go woke get broke.

Others developers can take a few hints we buy games for entertainment and that is ALL.

I know right, look what happened to Far Cry 5, went on to be the fastest selling in the series.......oops

 

[EDMIX]

They're already pretty damn political even if they don't want to come out and say it.



Because in modern culture you absolutely cannot release a AAA game without an uber diverse cast regardless of any and all context of what the game itself is.

Even historical settings are not exempt from it.

I guess if Assassin's Creed 2 was released today Venice would have to have a large black population.

Well you are ignoring that RPGs have let you choose that for generations now. Are you 100% sure its because of um "uber diverse cast" and not because of it being a RPG now or?

So.....Fallout 3 you can make a character....normal
Fallout 76 you can make a character "Because in modern culture you absolutely cannot release a AAA game without an uber diverse cast regardless of any and all context of what the game itself is."

???

Right?

You sure about that?

Its also their game and they are free to do that. You mad they own a game and want to create how they feel like it? Very easy, don't like it....don't buy it. Very simple my friend.

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Well you are ignoring that RPGs have let you choose that for generations now. Are you 100% sure its because of um "uber diverse cast" and not because of it being a RPG now or?

So.....Fallout 3 you can make a character....normal
Fallout 76 you can make a character "Because in modern culture you absolutely cannot release a AAA game without an uber diverse cast regardless of any and all context of what the game itself is."

???

Right?

You sure about that?

Its also their game and they are free to do that. You mad they own a game and want to create how they feel like it? Very easy, don't like it....don't buy it. Very simple my friend.

There's friction that stems from it in Assassin's Creed because of the games' historical settings and the fact that the whole point of the series was that Ubisoft strived to make the games accurate to the time periods.

I don't think turning it into an RPG and making the protagonists player stand ins was the right move, Edward Kenway for example in 4 was a well done character that couldn't have been otherwise if the game had to be written to account for a male or female protagonist and the player stand in was supposed to be the unseen Abstergo employee, because the whole story context was inhabiting people from the past through the Animus machine.

Now all that's been watered down because SJWs are so literal minded and don't understand that you can play as a video game character who is not like you, they want literally every single piece of media they consume to reflect who they are themselves.

 

[Mjau]

Nice try. You will still not get my money.

 

[Lionel Richie]

Games are a creative medium and by and large this is just confirmation that "politics" stopped meaning whatever it did originally and now it means "clusterfuck" and that's detrimental to anything we've been building in the past centuries culture-wise. It feels like any creative work is constantly at risk of offending the sensibilities of someone in the crowd and if you think that's exclusively a left-wing issue then you're just missing the bigger picture. We now take ourselves so seriously that a suit saying they will tell the most innocuous stories possible as to not lose customers is a sensible PR move. This isn't a scenario where any side wins, this is a "we all lost" situation.

 

[mckmas8808]

They actually did say exactly that. This is from that article:
"That is political, but we're not going out and saying you should vote for that person, or you should not do this; but it's a political statement of course, and we think that it's important, but we're not writing it on somebody's nose."
It's just that unfortunatelly forums posts and websites news focus on just some elements of the talk, those that will get the rise out of readers, instead of discussing the whole thing.

Thanks for posting this. Maybe this should be in the OP. This is an important part of the original statement and should be treated as important.

Now all that's been watered down because SJWs are so literal minded and don't understand that you can play as a video game character who is not like you, they want literally every single piece of media they consume to reflect who they are themselves.

So all of this is due to one side of the political landscape?

Games are a creative medium and by and large this is just confirmation that "politics" stopped meaning whatever it did originally and now it means "clusterfuck" and that's detrimental to anything we've been building in the past centuries culture-wise. It feels like any creative work is constantly at risk of offending the sensibilities of someone in the crowd and if you think that's exclusively a left-wing issue then you're just missing the bigger picture. We now take ourselves so seriously that a suit saying they will tell the most innocuous stories possible as to not lose customers is a sensible PR move. This isn't a scenario where any side wins, this is a "we all lost" situation.

This post couldn't be any more perfect.

 

[EDMIX]

There's friction that stems from it in Assassin's Creed because of the games' historical settings and the fact that the whole point of the series was that Ubisoft strived to make the games accurate to the time periods.

I don't think turning it into an RPG and making the protagonists player stand ins was the right move, Edward Kenway for example in 4 was a well done character that couldn't have been otherwise if the game had to be written to account for a male or female protagonist and the player stand in was supposed to be the unseen Abstergo employee, because the whole story context was inhabiting people from the past through the Animus machine.

Now all that's been watered down because SJWs are so literal minded and don't understand that you can play as a video game character who is not like you, they want literally every single piece of media they consume to reflect who they are themselves.

The game is still a fantasy game and now an RPG, lol Animus Machine? Ohhh but its sooo about "historical settings" and being "accurate" with da time machine about da DNA...., soooo all of those have more impact on that move then some tinfoil conspiracy theory. At this point, I'm convinced any game coming out that is a RPG or not that has this option will come down to this whole "because SJW" lol

Buddy, thats like saying the game has a white male "OHHHHH its because THE ALT RIGHT are SOOOOO literal minded and don't understand that you can play as a video game character who is not WHITE, they want literally every single piece of media they consume to reflect who they are themselves"

How is that? Sound familiar?

So you are basically the other side of the SJW coin my friend. They are mad folks are making games based on what they want and how they want, you are mad that folks are making games based on what they want and how they want. Same thing, different demographic, both stupid, childish arguments. At some point we forgot that developers are free to make game, lots of us argued that to death when SJW were attacking developers left and right based on the teams choice how now they created THEIR GAMES, that doesn't change just cause you are on a different side...guess what? Stop attacking developers left and right based on the teams choice how now they created THEIR GAMES, just cause you are not part of that group, doesn't mean you are not doing the exact same thing. I hated what that group did NOT because they were called SJW and women, but because of how they had little to no respect for the choice of the developer to have a white male in their game if they felt just.

Let me know when you start a video series talking about this wearing a plaidshirt please... =)

 

[EDMIX]

Games are a creative medium and by and large this is just confirmation that "politics" stopped meaning whatever it did originally and now it means "clusterfuck" and that's detrimental to anything we've been building in the past centuries culture-wise. It feels like any creative work is constantly at risk of offending the sensibilities of someone in the crowd and if you think that's exclusively a left-wing issue then you're just missing the bigger picture. We now take ourselves so seriously that a suit saying they will tell the most innocuous stories possible as to not lose customers is a sensible PR move. This isn't a scenario where any side wins, this is a "we all lost" situation.

Amazing post and agreed.

Folks need to understand, at this point gaming can't even have their own American History X without some gamers getting so sensitive. If someone legit made their game that way, they are free to folks.

Many can point to SJWs, but the reality is....look at Far Cry 5, look at BFV, look at even AC Odyssey. All you have to do is replace white male with woman and you have folks making the exact same arguments as SJWs. ie BOTH SIDES are doing this childish thing. If you are not adult enough to play a game about such subject matter, stick to tetris, it would be no different then if someone just couldn't watch American History X without spending the whole damn movie on saying it must be a conspiracy theory on some side lol

Be like "smh, look at the LEFT making a movie to lie white men"
also them "smh look at the RIGHT making a movie to promote hate"

Theses folks might as well watch, play and read nothing if EVERYTHING is some Ancient Aliens conspiracy.