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[MagusMajul]

no wonder these games suck

 

[OLED_Gamer]

These people are just like the retards who ruined WFH when employers were open to it. Who the fuck has their job title, LinkedIn and IRL picture talking about baking bread during work!? I still was doing IT for GAP/Old Navy and some asshole on the Network Engineering team told me "is this really important dude, I'm playing Mario on switch" over MS teams like a retard.

So? Is it really any worse than the amount of in-office people who sit there browsing Facebook or are constantly chatting?

And, and to those Milan employees:

 

[squallbr]

The party of the end

 

[StreetsofBeige]

A lot of the usual "I work a blue collar work and have no chance to ever work from home, therefore everyone that does is lazy and only my type of work is real work" takes in here... how surprising

When was the last time you heard a blue collar worker complain that waking up and commuting to work leads to being drained and unproductive by the time they get on site?

 

[PropellerEar]

Funny how they got no problem getting out of the house when it's a party.

Also, big tip to get people RTO. Just get HR to organize more social activities like BBQ day, Cinco de Mayo taco day or afternoon bowling.

Watch as almost every WFH guy magically shows up that day. Trust me, it works. Suddenly the office is jammed with people. So to get more people to show up just give them a free burger and scoops of potato salad and they'll be there.

Somehow it's still the most useless middle management that is at the office, whatever perks, events or activities there are at the office. (Unless made mandatory to attend)

 

[PropellerEar]

When was the last time you heard a blue collar worker complain that waking up and commuting to work leads to being drained and unproductive by the time they get on site?

What does that have to do with what he said?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I wonder if they will also hold a rave party when they are all fired.

Doubtful. Being fired for cause and getting zero severance isnt exactly a party mood. lol

The finance team at UBI must be licking their chops..... Hey execs. product quality dropping, sales stink, losing money. The SG&A ratio is skyrocketing because too many employee costs and garbage financials lately so the % is getting out of scope at the highest ever. We're not telling you what to do as that's for upper management and HR to do, but just saying those are the metrics.

(lol)

 

[lh032]

Look like concord devs

 

[AmuroChan]

I'm sure other US CEOs are at their desks, pants down, tugging away at the thought of making the 996 mandatory.

I mean, they could just move their operations to Japan/Korea and/or open branch offices there. Why waste time trying to convert western workers when you can just go to the place where the people are happy to work that way?

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I mean, they could just move their operations to Japan/Korea and/or open branch offices there. Why waste time trying to convert western workers when you can just go to the place where the people are happy to work that way?

Thats what manufacturing did since the 70s. Products made cheaper, zero attitude, and somehow it can be made on time and shipped over oceans going through ports. All it took were some big companies to test out overseas manufacturing contracting out production to Asian factories and voila. You got practically everything made there even computers and chips.

But it dragged out over decades because it's a pain in the ass to outsource stuff overseas, transport it on barges and train staff. Some companies will do it. Some cant or wont due to hassles and investment.

But something like tech can be more easily transferred over as it's digital. You already see it with the big companies with studios all over the world. And they can do their work and compile it as bits and bytes. But most of the studios are in US, Japan, Europe. And you get some Russian ones making PC games here and there.

All it takes is more focus on Chinese and Korean studios and fast forward a decade and it can be exactly what happened to making cars or toasters.

But not everything is made overseas. All a local has to do is prove their work is better value than hiring some guy halfway around the world who probably cant even speak English at cheaper salary.

All protests and strikes do is piss off managers and customers. So it eggs them on to test out overseas contract work. For every company, there's a tipping point when it's worth the hassle to look overseas.

 

[Clear]

Kinda stunned at the obliviousness to how unstable their position is.

Sales are down and competition from Asia is up. Way up.

They haven't given the order to return to the office because things are going well in upper management's eyes. Meaning that if productivity/performance doesn't go up, costs will have to come down...

Its not hard to see where this is going.

 

[Shifty1897]

I WFH full time and I work nonstop. I have to pull two all nighters this week and be right back for an 8 AM zoom call. These people are just poorly managed.

 

[AmuroChan]

All protests and strikes do is piss off managers and customers. So it eggs them on to test out overseas contract work. For every company, there's a tipping point when it's worth the hassle to look overseas.

Yea, as someone who's in management and have interviewed a ton of people over the years, I've definitely learned to avoid a certain archetype when it comes to hiring. I learned it the hard way earlier in my career, but thankfully I'm in a good place now and have honed my sixth sense when it comes to hiring new employees.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

I work hybrid out of choice, but if I wanted to I could work from home all the time.

When I am at home I'm far more productive. Probably because I'm less stressed and don't have to worry about travelling to work, spending money on food, dealing with dick heads at the office etc.

The reason my company haven't forced people to go back into the office is because productivity has increased overall. They even let you work 4 days a week (with increased hours of course) and take holiday when you want.

That's how it should be. There needs to be a work/life balance. Working 9-5, five days a week in the office should be left in the past.

But only a few with special jobs can work at home like that.

Work from home is uppity priveliged work that fucking pisses off people who don't have a job that get these benefits.

 

[AmuroChan]

I WFH full time and I work nonstop. I have to pull two all nighters this week and be right back for an 8 AM zoom call. These people are just poorly managed.

It's not always that black and white. Most of my employees are great and I never have any issues with them, but once in a while you get someone that's like a con artist. They present themselves professionally and does really well in the interview to land the job, but once they get in, they're a totally different person. They are ineffective, don't listen to feedback, and doesn't get along with other colleagues. That's not a case of poor management. That's a case of someone who conned their way into the job and can't actually do the job.

 

[simpatico]

Ubisoft downsizing HR hatchet man just became the most sought-after job in the country. Imagine getting to call these people all day. "We are no longer going to pay you to stay home and shitpost in our company Slack"

Just checked. The only releases they are the primary developers on is Mario and Rabbids. Otherwise they're a port, support and maybe a DLC here and there studio. Not sure they have as much bargaining power as they think.

 

[IDKFA]

I mean, they could just move their operations to Japan/Korea and/or open branch offices there. Why waste time trying to convert western workers when you can just go to the place where the people are happy to work that way?

Because that would cost too much money.

Easier to brainwash people into thinking 996 is the way to go by giving it cute names like hustle culture or grindcore, as well as enticing employees with free meals, free gym membership, free health and dental care etc.

From the BBC article, one company who carry out this 996 culture, told the BBC:

"We look for people who are like Olympian athletes, with characteristics of, you know, obsession, infinite ambition.

"It's people who want to do incredible things and have a lot of fun while doing so,"

They make it sound like a fun challenge with perks.

Personally, I'd rather get my dick chewed off by a dog than do 996. Fuck that.

 

[AmuroChan]

Because that would cost too much money.

Easier to brainwash people into thinking 996 is the way to go by giving it cute names like hustle culture or grindcore, as well as enticing employees with free meals, free gym membership, free health and dental care etc.

From the BBC article, one company who carry out this 996 culture, told the BBC:

"We look for people who are like Olympian athletes, with characteristics of, you know, obsession, infinite ambition.

"It's people who want to do incredible things and have a lot of fun while doing so,"

They make it sound like a fun challenge with perks.

Personally, I'd rather get my dick chewed off by a dog than do 996. Fuck that.

That almost seems hard to believe that people would fall for that. I would expect that most people would have a similar opinion as you do when presented with that. Do they name any of these companies?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Kinda stunned at the obliviousness to how unstable their position is.

Sales are down and competition from Asia is up. Way up.

They haven't given the order to return to the office because things are going well in upper management's eyes. Meaning that if productivity/performance doesn't go up, costs will have to come down...

Its not hard to see where this is going.

Logic and common sense, in 2026?

 

[IDKFA]

But only a few with special jobs can work at home like that.

You mean office jobs? Yeah. You can't work from home if you're a plumber, doctor or work in retail etc. That's pretty obvious, but most jobs that require a PC can be done at home.

Work from home is uppity priveliged work that fucking pisses off people who don't have a job that get these benefits.

Right. So because some people are piased off because they can never work from home, it means nobody should be able to have this benefit?

That sounds a bit selfish, no?

 

[IDKFA]

That almost seems hard to believe that people would fall for that. I would expect that most people would have a similar opinion as you do when presented with that. Do they name any of these companies?

Yes. One is called Rilla, a New York-based tech business.

 

[AmuroChan]

Yes. One is called Rilla, a New York-based tech business.

Just looked at their website. I see a lot of buzzwords and not a lot of actual substance in explaining what they do. They're definitely targeting the naive gen-z crowd when it comes to hiring. So I guess the brainwashing makes sense.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

You mean office jobs? Yeah. You can't work from home if you're a plumber, doctor or work in retail etc. That's pretty obvious, but most jobs that require a PC can be done at home.



Right. So because some people are piased off because they can never work from home, it means nobody should be able to have this benefit?

That sounds a bit selfish, no?

Where I used to work only a few had work at home and it was a constant frustration. If some people have to get stuck at the office, everyone should. It's better than creating unfair situations.

And while most work fine from home, there is always the few that you can't trust, it always leads to frustrations.

It's better to stick to office work and give everyone a fair shake, the moment you develop work from home people start to demand it, and you get these Ubisoft situations.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

I understand Europeans and Americans have different commuting experiences and that shows in WFH opinions. In Europe, distances are shorter and public transport is excellent in most big cities. You only need a car on weekends, since you have everything at reach during your work week. In USA, WFH has a much bigger impact. Ubisoft branch in Milan is about 10 kms away from the city center. Personally, I'd feel embarrassed to make a fuss out of this when the company is in shambles and devs are as guilty as the excel guys.

 

[simpatico]

The craziest thing is knowing objectively treating these people better than 95% of companies in the world. And it's still protest worthy. Nothing would satisfy people like that. It's damn near mass hysteria of some sort.

Check the Ubi Milan wiki. The only stuff they've been lead developer on is motion control games and Rabbids. What leverage do they think they have? Their output is literally the first stuff you'd look to outsource in a consolidation effort. Mostly support studio, does some ports, occasionally busts out a DLC for someone else's game. It's one thing to think you're being subjected to cruel working conditions, but shouldn't you be honest with yourself about negotiating leverage? If I was Milan I'd be sucking the company dick right now if I wanted to keep my job.

The studio's initial focus was to develop handheld titles, and it brought Rayman to Game Boy Color and Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Prophecy to Game Boy Advance. The Milan studio also served as a support studio for Ubisoft, assisting other studios on many games, such as Beyond Good & Evil, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Rogue Spear, Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3: Athena Sword, Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow, Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent, Assassin's Creed III: Liberation, Assassin's Creed Rogue, Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag, and Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Wildlands, and is a core developer of the Just Dance series. The studio's focus then shifted to develop games that require motion control, including MotionSports (with the Barcelona studio), We Dare, and Raving Rabbids: Alive and Kicking (with the Paris studio). The studio was the lead developer of the company's first Nintendo Switch exclusive game, Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle, together with Ubisoft Paris; it also developed Donkey Kong Adventure, the downloadable content for that game, and the sequel Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

I understand Europeans and Americans have different commuting experiences and that shows in WFH opinions. In Europe, distances are shorter and public transport is excellent in most big cities. You only need a car on weekends, since you have everything at reach during your work week. In USA, WFH has a much bigger impact. Ubisoft branch in Milan is about 10 kms away from the city center. Personally, I'd feel embarrassed to make a fuss out of this when the company is in shambles and devs are as guilty as the excel guys.

People don't live in city centers my guy, for all you know some of those people might have a 1 to 2h commute, that means waking up at 6am to take a shower, eating breakfast, getting dressed, walking to some public transport, waiting for said public transport, hope there's no delays, then make the journey and hopefully be there a little before 9am because somehow they have an important meeting at 9am so they need to find a phone booth or vacant room to dial in to a fucking Teams meeting because most of the participants are dialing in from different offices across the world. Then at the end of the day waste another 1 to 2h to do the reverse and get back home...

Or... they could just be in their pajamas dialing in from the next room at home exactly at 9 am and join the exact same meeting right on time. That's why it's smart work.

 

[Setsuna Mudou]

When was the last time you heard a blue collar worker complain that waking up and commuting to work leads to being drained and unproductive by the time they get on site?

Way to somehow miss my point and prove my point right at the same time

 

[David_Android]

It has its own advantages despite ton of downsides:

i know many polish this is accurate, a lot live in austria and as a hungarian

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Smart working is when you supposed to be behind your desk but instead you are doing your laundry and still getting paid for it.

 

[IDKFA]

Where I used to work only a few had work at home and it was a constant frustration. If some people have to get stuck at the office, everyone should. It's better than creating unfair situations.

My company allows hybrid working for all. Nobody is left behind. We started it during COVID and as we saw an uptick in productivity we've just kept it going.

And while most work fine from home, there is always the few that you can't trust, it always leads to frustrations.

Those people lose their jobs. They're quickly found out.

It's better to stick to office work and give everyone a fair shake, the moment you develop work from home people start to demand it, and you get these Ubisoft situations.

Personally, I think hybrid is better for that work/life balance. You get to come into the office and interact with people face to face, while also having the benefit of working from home.

However, if somebody can work from home and they're productive, then why not? Because some people are resentful? Who cares. I want my team to be happy and as stress free as possible to meet our goals. If I see productivity increasing from people working from home then I'm not going to force them to come into the office.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

Average WFH employee. Smelly looking. No social grace. Shit taste in music. No work ethic. Unbathed. Only owns pajamas.

How dare you!? I'll have you know I own a pair of outside trousers.

 

[LyricalShrike]

When was the last time you heard a blue collar worker complain that waking up and commuting to work leads to being drained and unproductive by the time they get on site?

Every day from by sibling. Steamfitter for over a decade with a long commute. I've not heard a peep about his work since he shifted to corporate doing design work where he works from home with occasional visits to a job site. Waking up early and long commutes are pretty big complaints among tradies right after the backbreaking work they do.

 

[ValiantInstance]

Looks like a refugees welcome protest in Brighton.

For some reason these leftists love shitty rave music. At least play Fisher or Calvin Harris.

 

[Radical_3d]

Americans: "nooooooo, you have to work 96 hours/week no sick leaves so our GDP is up to our Protestant working ethic!!"
Bavarians and southwards in our superior Catholic way of life: "Look at the time! I'd better start dancing or I'll be late for work!"

Spoiler: Also, we don't have a problem

 

[GymWolf]

Edit: meh not worthy

 

[I wasn't selling any]

I really don't get the anti-WFH sentiment here. Do you really need someone behind you whipping you into shape so that you can be productive? If so, that's most probably a YOU problem. The most parasites reside in the office, stealing my time by knocking on the door and asking me reatarded questions about the status of their Jira issue while I'm working on something important. It's always the same parasites that think the official ways of communication doesn't exist for them, even for the slightest and most retarded trivialities. All that, while sharing the room with 5 other idiots that scream into their noise-cancelling headsets, because space is expensive where I live, and employers squeeze too many people into small office spaces. Thank God I don't have to deal with that anymore (for now).

tl;dr If you think WFH is something bad, it's most probably a YOU issue. Chances are, you are the parasite withholding others from being productive.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Yea the Indians did such a great job with Prince of Persia Sands of Time.

Yeah let's judge a country with a population of billion+ based on a single studio belonging to a company that has been known for having management problems for years. The same company that passed that game to the studio that made the original, yet still couldn't make the remake after 5 years of dev time.

Its like judging entirety of US devs based off of Concord

 

[Toots]

I went to a French rave in my early twenties. So many gay dudes trying to nosh me off.

Seems like your friends called it a "french rave" because they knew you'll be too prude to come if they had told you it was a gay orgy.
Anyway the important thing is that you stayed and had lots of fun !

 

[kpopSuperstar]

My company allows hybrid working for all. Nobody is left behind. We started it during COVID and as we saw an uptick in productivity we've just kept it going.



Those people lose their jobs. They're quickly found out.



Personally, I think hybrid is better for that work/life balance. You get to come into the office and interact with people face to face, while also having the benefit of working from home.

However, if somebody can work from home and they're productive, then why not? Because some people are resentful? Who cares. I want my team to be happy and as stress free as possible to meet our goals. If I see productivity increasing from people working from home then I'm not going to force them to come into the office.

If you can remote work the entire office, sure, but that's just not the case for all workplaces. I have no idea how it is for Ubisoft or game dev in general.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

 

[Team Andromeda]

If only they put the same effort in their games

 

[simpatico]

they could just be in their pajamas ... That's why it's smart work.

This is where my experience differed. Like most, we got offered full WFH during covid. It didn't last long enough for us to give it the "smart" moniker to protect the pajama party, but there was a significant reduction in work quality coming from the WFH teams. The same people I'd worked with for years all of a sudden turning in garbo. For all but a few doing the ritual of getting cleaned up and put together creates a mindset that facilitates doing quality work. Or at least more so than rolling out of bed in your graphic t-shirt and starting the workday with crazy bed hair. I certainly wouldn't call it "smart work" at scale because only the cream of the crop can compartmentalize their home life enough to pull it off seamlessly. Taking showers and getting out and about isn't so bad.

"But I took a job 2 hours away from my house"

Well then, you've got a 4 hour daily commute bub.

 

[Dr.Morris79]

A few years back I had to do patient transfer. It involved access to a secure unit for the 'neurological' challenged folk

It was disco Tuesday.

The disco looked like this

I'm not even joking.

 

[diffusionx]

Yeah let's judge a country with a population of billion+ based on a single studio belonging to a company that has been known for having management problems for years. The same company that passed that game to the studio that made the original, yet still couldn't make the remake after 5 years of dev time.

Its like judging entirety of US devs based off of Concord

No, it's more like judging Ubisoft developers based on the work that Ubisoft developers did.

 

[John Marston]

How many studios does Ubisoft have?
Has anyone checked on the moon?

 

[Bernardougf]

No matter if you support WFH or not.. they said get back.. so get back or get lost. Its not slavery.

I think WFH can work ? Sure.. I think it can work for all types of jobs ? Definitely not.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

No, it's more like judging Ubisoft developers based on the work that Ubisoft developers did.

You are basing your judgement on ubi devs( ubi games haven't been good for the past few years imo) and you used that to imply the entire 1.4 billion or so population of India can't develop.

Thats an interesting logic

 

[P:axMagellanic]

I understand Europeans and Americans have different commuting experiences and that shows in WFH opinions. In Europe, distances are shorter and public transport is excellent in most big cities. You only need a car on weekends, since you have everything at reach during your work week. In USA, WFH has a much bigger impact. Ubisoft branch in Milan is about 10 kms away from the city center. Personally, I'd feel embarrassed to make a fuss out of this when the company is in shambles and devs are as guilty as the excel guys.

European transport is full of surgeons and astronauts tho. Who the fuck wants to take a train here.

 

[diffusionx]

You are basing your judgement on ubi devs( ubi games haven't been good for the past few years imo) and you used that to imply the entire 1.4 billion or so population of India can't develop.

Thats an interesting logic

ubi devs at least got games out.

ubi india couldn't handle a remake and the post i was respondng to was claiming that ubi devs should be replaced with them

interesting logic.

 

[The Cockatrice]

How many studios does Ubisoft have?
Has anyone checked on the moon?

I would gladly sell someone else's kidney to afford to work on a secluded space station on the moon. That'd be awesome.